posted May 09, 2021 12:12 AM            

Anyway, she has asked me to look at their charts but I feel that I’m bias since I know her so I hope some others can give me their objective analyses. 🙏🏼

Is this relationship the real deal and does it have long-term potential? Birth times are accurate.

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posted May 09, 2021 01:36 PM            

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Originally posted by comdoc:
This is a dead even synastry potential @ 50%(5/10). Major Health and Financial challenges. Not recommended. She can do MUCH better.

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posted May 09, 2021 01:44 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Don't know if she'd listen but I agree it will never last. Cursatory look at the composite and I see Venus conjunct Chiron, Venus opposite Uranus, and Neptune conjunct NN (I had this last one in a long term relationship but it was very on and off, and permanently ended 2 years ago)

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What do you think attracted them to each other? I’m wondering if they were pulled by all those south node contacts which can feel so comfortable.

posted May 10, 2021 09:17 AM            

I also sensed that their intimacy might come to an abrupt end. In fact, she said their initial sexual attraction has dipped and he’s no longer keen to keep it active. Sometimes he even seem to be avoiding it. This is way faster than we expected considering they’re only together for 6 months. She’s unhappy but hanging on so I also think she’s there for her own emotional healing.

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Sun/Mars is square Eros, the Moon/Saturn midpoint is square Mars/Jupiter, and the Mars/Venus midpoint is opposite Uranus, so his feelings are likely not so deep as hers, mainly sexual, and he may be there for opportunistic reasons

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Just for my learning... Can you explain why these point to his feelings not as deep as hers?

The transit you mentioned aligned with something else I saw - their prog composite Moon opposite Neptune - which will happen about the same time. I noticed prog Moon-Neptune hard aspects a lot when a separation is triggered.

posted May 10, 2021 06:51 PM            

Well, unfortunately my feeling is that as soon as transiting south node will hit composite Uranus, he'll flee... maybe taking a chance by some kind of pretext.

Those aspects tell me he doesn't have true feelings because: sun/mars square eros would mainly point to the male not having true love. Moon/Saturn midpoint square to Mars/Jupiter is an opportunistic aspect, he's there for temporary convenience, Moon/Saturn midpoint is how they are devoted to each other, but the square to Mars and Jupiter signals that there's selfishness, not devotion, and jupiter is usually related to financial or comfort zone elements... Mars/Venus midpoint is usually a loving aspect, how much they are in love or what feelings they have for each other. this being opposite Uranus is clearly pointing to excitement and attraction, but no real intensity and likely short term...

Edit: sorry, I had missed this!
"Btw, not related to this relationship but how would you interpret comp Moon-Neptune midpoint conjunct Midheaven?"

This looks quite otherwordly, but too idealistic. Their expectations might not match reality, even though there's a strong romantic aura, they share dreams and plans. It's a very "poetical" aspect.

posted May 10, 2021 08:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
The prog Moon/Neptune opposition is interesting... prog Moon in which house?

Well, unfortunately my feeling is that as soon as transiting south node will hit composite Uranus, he'll flee... maybe taking a chance by some kind of pretext.

Those aspects tell me he doesn't have true feelings because: sun/mars square eros would mainly point to the male not having true love. Moon/Saturn midpoint square to Mars/Jupiter is an opportunistic aspect, he's there for temporary convenience, Moon/Saturn midpoint is how they are devoted to each other, but the square to Mars and Jupiter signals that there's selfishness, not devotion, and jupiter is usually related to financial or comfort zone elements... Mars/Venus midpoint is usually a loving aspect, how much they are in love or what feelings they have for each other. this being opposite Uranus is clearly pointing to excitement and attraction, but no real intensity and likely short term...

Edit: sorry, I had missed this!
"Btw, not related to this relationship but how would you interpret comp Moon-Neptune midpoint conjunct Midheaven?"

This looks quite otherwordly, but too idealistic. Their expectations might not match reality, even though there's a strong romantic aura, they share dreams and plans. It's a very "poetical" aspect.

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what if you dont have aspects in these midpoints? I just did a chart comparison of a couple and they have no hard aspects at these midpoints but mars is conjunct venus and moon is conjunct Saturn-there is just nothing at the midpoints.

The only one they have is sun/mars square venus/saturn

Also I just looked at another couple and they have moon trine saturn but moon/saturn midpoint is square mars and exactly trine sun. They seem in love so does the sun trine help or do you still think that would be selfish reasons?

posted May 10, 2021 10:48 PM            

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Mars conjunct Venus and Moon conjunct Saturn are strong aspects of love and devotion, so the fact that they have no harsh aspects to these means that their feelings are strong and the relationship looks stable and long term (unless there are other aspects giving instability). Sun/Mars square to Venus/Saturn though gives the idea that the man rules/controls the relationship, that he has the upper hand somehow. this may potentially arise frustration in their exchanges sometimes, or their relationship may have to overcome some obstacles/delays/tough decisions.

Moon/Saturn midpoint square Mars also can point to a controlling man, in this case, with Moon trine saturn, there's devotion but there may be also selfishness. The man may not be committed in this case, but you have to look at the whole chart to fully understand this...

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The sun/Mars midpoint is square to Venus/Saturn. What would that mean? Sun and Mars are not square to Venus or Saturn on their own.

The other couples chart has Moon/Saturn midpoint square to Mars they’ve been together for a few years. I think Saturn also conjuncts Venus and trines Mars. Does the square to Mars always mean selfishness or uncommitted? Saturn also conjuncts Juno.

posted May 10, 2021 11:12 PM            

The sun/Mars midpoint square to Venus/Saturn where Mars conjunct Venus and Moon conjunct Saturn, I would not worry about the midpoint, cause those conjunct aspects are strong enough.

mars suggests selfishness especially when in hard aspect to Jupiter.

posted May 10, 2021 11:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Usually, a close saturn/mars square or opposition would point to difficult committment. If Saturn conjuncts Venus and trines Mars, it would suggest there's committment, but with Moon/Saturn midpoint square to Mars the man may be ruling things and he may not be completely devoted to the relationship.

The sun/Mars midpoint square to Venus/Saturn where Mars conjunct Venus and Moon conjunct Saturn, I would not worry about the midpoint, cause those conjunct aspects are strong enough.

mars suggests selfishness especially when in hard aspect to Jupiter.

But as I said, single aspects may not say it all. in the same charts, if you have, for instance, Saturn square Jupiter or Uranus, or neptune square MC or Saturn, there may still be strong instability and risk of separation. so you need to look at the whole chart.

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The couple with the moon/Saturn midpoint square Mars have been together 5 years and the woman definitely wears the pants in the relationship. She’s the dominant one. Do you think there are other factors to consider? Or can the Mars represent the woman? Mars is also trine moon and Jupiter. In the Davison the moon/Saturn midpoint does not square Mars only in composite. The Mars actually conjunct Saturn in the Davison along with Venus. Mars is also on the descendant so I don’t know if that changes things.

posted May 11, 2021 11:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
The prog Moon/Neptune opposition is interesting... prog Moon in which house?

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Prog Moon in 8H. I noticed this aspect (square/opposite/quincunx but mainly the square & opposition) many times when couples break up/divorce. Doesn’t happen to everyone of course but if the relationship already has cracks, this aspect might break it.

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Well, unfortunately my feeling is that as soon as transiting south node will hit composite Uranus, he'll flee... maybe taking a chance by some kind of pretext.

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The transit will be exact in Aug, that’s a month before her birthday. I’m wondering if he might be so cruel to dump that on her just before her birthday + she’s still painting a picture of bliss. But I heard that he has told his mom about her but she does not approve and don’t wanna meet her...so anything can happen. 🤔🤷🏻‍♀️

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Those aspects tell me he doesn't have true feelings because: sun/mars square eros would mainly point to the male not having true love. Moon/Saturn midpoint square to Mars/Jupiter is an opportunistic aspect, he's there for temporary convenience, Moon/Saturn midpoint is how they are devoted to each other, but the square to Mars and Jupiter signals that there's selfishness, not devotion, and jupiter is usually related to financial or comfort zone elements... Mars/Venus midpoint is usually a loving aspect, how much they are in love or what feelings they have for each other. this being opposite Uranus is clearly pointing to excitement and attraction, but no real intensity and likely short term...

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Wow, interesting! These are within 2deg orb, right? Do midpoints override the other main aspects, in your experience?

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This looks quite otherwordly, but too idealistic. Their expectations might not match reality, even though there's a strong romantic aura, they share dreams and plans. It's a very "poetical" aspect.

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This is in me and my guy’s composite. 😬 You’re right we may be too idealistic with each other but the sharing of hopes/dreams is also a theme and something we enjoy.

posted May 11, 2021 02:07 PM            

I don't think so, but it seems to me that there are midpoints more significant than others. For instance, I'd consider aspects to Juno/Jupiter midpoint as significant as planets aspects. Moon/Jupiter midpoint is also significant to me. good aspects to Venus/Mars midpoint can suggest mutual feelings, but if you have, for instance, Mars square saturn or neptune at the same time, I would doubt about long term committment, especially from the guy's part...

"We also have Moon/Saturn midpoint opposite Valentine, Venus/Mars midpoint opposite Vesta and Juno/Jupiter midpoint trine NN. How would you interpret these?"

posted May 12, 2021 04:54 AM            

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If the Juno/Jupiter is trine NN at very close orb or exact, it's a soulmate/longterm aspect :-)

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It’s an exact orb. But we also have Mars square Saturn at almost 7deg. Will the square triumph or this mp?

Also does Mars-Saturn square always lead to lack of commitment? How about the opposition? I know a few long-term couples with the square/opposition, one e.g. is my aunt and her husband. Their cSaturn square Mars at 6deg and Venus at 4deg. Another LT couple I know has the square at 1deg.

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usually though, south node/uranus is a strong parting ways aspect especially if an opposition to venus is involved, so... I hope I'm wrong :-)

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posted May 12, 2021 05:53 PM            

I don't think so, because 7deg is too wide for my taste... it may play out in making things slow, or in giving initial uncertainty for committment, but since 7deg is too wide I think other more postive aspects are more effective.
For your aunt, Saturn square Mars at 6deg is also a bit wide, if Mars and Venus are conjunct it looks binding, if they're opposite there may be unbalance in their feelings, but it's great attraction.
Mars-Saturn square at 1 deg is usually an issue for committment, or things can develope slow, but if they have other strong committment aspects I guess it works out...

posted May 13, 2021 06:21 AM            

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For your aunt, Saturn square Mars at 6deg is also a bit wide, if Mars and Venus are conjunct it looks binding, if they're opposite there may be unbalance in their feelings, but it's great attraction.

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Their Venus-Mars are out of orb but they have an almost exact Moon-Saturn conjunction that’s also conjunct NN at 4deg. ✌🏼 Despite getting married very young and against family objections, they’re counting their 31st year together and have always been a close couple. My aunt’s only regret is probably not having a kid. They have Chiron conjunct Vertex in 5H opposite Uranus/Pluto in 11H.

As for the other couple with Mars-Saturn square at 1 deg... their Saturn-Jupiter-Pluto also formed a t-square of wide orbs. Their marriage has been sexless for many years and he cheated before (but she doesn’t know). They have a Sun-Venus-NN grand trine which is probably what binds them? I don’t know their birth times so can’t see more than this.

posted May 13, 2021 06:30 PM            

Chiron/Vertex in 5th house opposite Uranus/Pluto is interesting for not having a child... is Saturn making any aspect to this? I'be curious to see their chart :-)

The Mars-Saturn square for the other couple may also signal infidelty. The Sun-Venus-NN grand trine is certainly significant if at tight or exact orb.

Juno-Lilith conjunct or opposition is usually sign of spontaneous/true loving feelings and devotion.

posted May 14, 2021 12:07 AM            

http://imgur.com/JO4T3Uz

My aunt kinda forced him into a marriage (haha) so she could get away from her family and because of this, his family objected as they were too young and he was still doing his degree, so they disliked her for a long time. But he proved to be a very protective husband and stood by her despite their objections, even threatened to cut his family off if they continue to pass sarcastic remarks at my aunt. Many of us are envious of my aunt for having such a loving husband who treats her like his princess. My aunt wanted a kid but he didn’t want it. He finds children troublesome.

What’s your aunt’s story?

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The Sun-Venus-NN grand trine is certainly significant if at tight or exact orb.

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Sun/Venus trine NN at 1deg but Saturn is a little wider (3-6deg).

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posted May 14, 2021 01:43 AM            

I think Chiron/Vertex in 5th house can be related to the missed child, especially cause it's square to the Moon/Jupiter midpoint in Cancer... but this square may also have something to do with the family criticism about their early marriage, since Uranus is also square to the Moon/Jupiter midpoint (early marriage). With this Chiron aspect, there may be actually also some criticism between them, but it looks very intimate and affectionate, that kind of criticism you can have with someone you know very intimately...
North Node/Saturn/Moon is clearly very binding and long term, with the square to Mars/Venus midpoint it may suggest that the man has the upper hand on important decisions... the Juno/Jupiter midpoint is square to Venus and this also seems very loving/long term. they also have Eros/Psyche opposition at exact degree, this is a soulmate aspect, and it is square to Vesta, Psyche is trine to Moon and Eros is trine to Sun/Mercury, so again there's great love, intimacy and good communication, but with Pluto exactly quincunx Sun/Moon, maybe there may be a little power struggle as the husband may be the one who controls the situation and takes decisions?
In any case, North Node conjunct Saturn/Moon and trine Mars/Venus looks very fated and long term. Maybe Saturn conjunct Moon may suggest the emotional burden for her for not having a child, but it's just speculation based on the context...

"Only the conjunct/opposite? How about trine/sextile/square? 0-1deg orb."

yes yes, sorry! it's also a loving aspect with trine/sextiles... Juno square Lilith is more challenging and may suggest that there's no devotion/committment.

My aunt story is that they also were very young and he was a hippy long haired guy, in the 60s, my grandma and grandpa at the time were mainly shocked on how he looked like, lol, it didn't matter to them that he was already working and was clearly a great guy, his hippy look wasnt acceptable to them!! So they literally got married in secret when my aunt was 16!
They have been a wonderful couple since then, until two years ago when my aunt unexpectedly and suddenly died at 66 years old
:-( :-(

posted May 15, 2021 12:50 AM            

You may be right that he makes the big decisions because this is how I see it too. On surface it appears that my aunt wears the pants in the marriage and she’s given a lot of freedom but if he says no to certain things she will follow his decision. Not in a bad way as my aunt can be childlike at times.

Btw how do you see if a couple will have kids? I’ve received 2 predictions from a Vedic astrologer and tarot reader saying I’ll have a kid with my guy (and this is though I didn’t ask about it). Is it shown through our heavy 5H and 5th ruler Moon trining the planets there?

posted May 15, 2021 01:46 AM            

I think it does! and they actually also have Jupiter quincunx Saturn/Moon... who knows, maybe they have some inner emotional instability, while Moon/Saturn/North Node keeps them together? this is an extremely binding aspect. in their case, the Uranus square may point to the early marriage...

I think it's not easy (for me, at least) to predict having kids because I have seen all kinds of different aspects in different charts related to this... I have seen the 5th house and Moon involved, but also Chiron to Moon or Jupiter or Saturn, or North Node in the 5th house or Leo or in aspect to Moon... but always noticed these aspects only after I knew they had a child, so I can't honestly say for sure. heavy 5H and 5th ruler Moon trining the planets certainly may have to do with it!