posted November 18, 2021 12:01 PM            

I think a conjunction can be like the above too but with more attraction mixed in.

If it is a rough aspect like square or opposition, I think it's less romance flick and more porn flick.

Opposition would be more of trying to get with someone completely different and seeing attraction in it. Square would be more rough sex but not much love, it's like the prototypical hate f-ck.

I've seen some say that squares and oppositions have more sexual chemistry but lack elsewhere.

posted November 18, 2021 10:46 PM            

Personally speaking, I've found Venus-Mars oppositions to be particularly intense--especially with my Aqua Venus to their Leo Mars. This is because Venus rules my Moon, MC, and Pluto and is in my 7th House. Lasses that have Leo Mars..well to say that I tend to experience intense attraction to them, is a bit of an understatement, and it's not just because of the Aqua Venus, but also because their Mars is usually either conjunct my Asc or in my 1st.

Met one person wherein we had a double Venus Mars opposition. Mars is an important/sensitive Planet in her chart as it rules her Sun, 8th, and co-rules her Moon. Venus is also an important Planet in her chart since it rules her chart ruler Sign placement, her South Node placement, and her Sun is closely cusping a Venus ruled Sign. Mars is a semi-sensitive Planet in my chart since it's a co-ruler of an Angle. My Aqua Venus was opposite her Leo Mars which was conjunct my Asc to the degree, and her Pisces Venus was in my 8th opposed my Virgo Mars in her 1st (somewhat widely conjunct her Asc, along with my Jupiter, ruler of my 5th and co ruler of my 8th conjunct her Asc within a degree).

More over, her Sun was the opposite Sign of my Moon, which since Mars rules her Sun and Venus my Moon, intensified that opposition polarity. And my Libra Pluto (ruler of my IC) was in actual opposition to her Aries Sun.

Not going to go into details and rehash everything, but to say I was attracted to her is a huge understatement. I felt like a giant magnet of north polarity and she was a giant magnet of south polarity. Level/intensity of attraction indelibly seared in/onto my psyche.

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He makes me feel... violated so I end it after our 5th date - it felt purely sexual which turns me off.

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posted November 19, 2021 07:25 AM            

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This makes me sound like a virgin, the closet V/M contact I encountered was a conjunction and no sex, not even holding hands. He makes me feel... violated so I end it after our 5th date - it felt purely sexual which turns me off. So in some way, it kind of follow your theory?

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It's better that you didnt go further. Maybe I feel like that because my Mars is in Gemini and is not aspected much, only a square to my Sun and sextile MC, but to me its kind of degrading. Too much sexual energy, kind of losing respect there. It might be because it turns into pluto conjunctions to Mars/Venus in the composite for me.

posted November 23, 2021 07:30 PM            

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Mars square Mars in synastry? Sounds so much in the face. But yaaaass that's it for me too. I gravitate towards other form of connections, maybe that's why I didn't partner up with V/M (synastry) - unless we count 8-9 degree orb for V/M with my partner. not much rapey vibes there.

My Venus rules Mars (Aries), it's connected to planets that creates connections through affection (opposition Moon) platonically (trine Uranus), but it's rare to find that type of connection. I tend to put an arm length when it's mistaken as sexual/romantic - but that's another topic. lol

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posted November 24, 2021 05:03 AM            

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Pluto/Mars/Venus conjunction you say? >_< no words for that. I hope you're ok - Pluto can alter a person.

Thanks mee_chryssa, I went with my gut at the time. I didn't see what he sees in me, we didn't have that internal chemistry.

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Yes, it's pretty ugly with Pluto in conjunctions to personal planets in composite. I'm ok now, but I wasn't at that time.

That's how it works, you don't know why you like the person, but you are drawn to them. With the opposition, you can tell why you like them. I knew that I liked them because they could see through all that people put upfront, and if they try to trick you, or how they behave, for me I liked that they don't let people cross them and they fight. With Venus in Taurus, I just walk away. A Mars Scorpio doesn't walk away, especially if it's not fair.

posted November 24, 2021 02:47 PM            

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Oppositions literally represent relationships and the seeking of balance. They have a 7th-7th House connotation. They typically indicate an odd combo of intense attraction repulsion dynamics--and oftentimes see-sawing between them.

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Regarding Mars-Venus of the synastry, I concur with this part, but according to my observation, there is the most physical pleasure present when for example one person's Mars is in Leo and the other has Venus in the 11th.

That being said, for some reason I rarely see Ven-Mar conjunction or opposition in marriages.

posted November 25, 2021 09:10 AM            

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11th house is the friendship house, so there's not a romantic or sexual energy there..

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I was surprised by this statement! I wish things were this simple and black and white with astrology and chart reading, but in reality, the 11th house for instance since you replied back to my example, is the house of the fulfillment of all desires. Including sexual and financial. Some might say, you're wrong Eloquent, it's the 2nd house that is checked for the finances, and I may argue that the 2nd house is the house of your resources when you were young, even early education falls under this house, and when the person becomes an adult this house shows their spending style. I'm in no position to lecture anyone but I do encourage skipping the fatalistic astrology internet data and doing deep reading and chart investigating. You'd be surprised how many of those horoscope websites are designed by teenagers or people in their early 20s who are only programmers with little to zero astrology knowledge!

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Charlie just said above that they are together for a long time

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I hope you go back and read that mentioned I "rarely" see the opposition and conjunction happening in marriages. I did not exclude all the cases because it's an immature approach to astrology to assume something is always or never the case. Moreover, I have seen long-term contacts of years with intense Mars-Venus aspect but they never made it legally official in marriage. Please do not get me wrong again, I don't judge these contacts, I have seen all types of relationships, but when we're talking about a lifelong official marriage, more aspects are involved than Mars and Venus. I have not read the user Charlie's post and do not know how long they have been married or dating and what the rest of their charts look like.

I hope you realize I was not discrediting someone else's marriage. The title asks for thoughts on a certain topic, and I came to this thread to share my own input. I think it's always more interesting to read and hear different views, and reading about everyone praising the Mars-Venus aspect can become a bit boring don't you think? 🙂

To share with you something else interesting I have seen many times, is that with certain signs, certain aspects work better. With a Venus in Cancer, they seem to prefer Mars in Cancer and they usually clash harshly with Capricorn Mars. Capricorn Venus and Cancer Mars on the other hand are super intense and loving. Capricorn Venus and Capricorn Mars clash too. Cancer Venus likes Libra Mars, but clashes with Aries Mars even though it's a square aspect to both. So, as with everything when it comes to astrology there isn't a certain rule that applies to each and every person.

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Sun/Moon and Venus/Mars are important planets to have in aspect in synastry for a relationship to start.

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I can show you several long-term relationships that have started and lasted with no particular Sun/Moon or Mars/Venus aspect in synastry. Mars-Venus is a lot of times about fights, and Sun/Moon is a friendship aspect. Venus is a planet that craves the touch of Sun, Mercury and Chiron a lot more than it craves Mars.

Usually, Mars-Venus contacts happen to people who are either young (i.e teenagers) or are late bloomers when it comes to relationships. As humans grow old Venus and Mars in relationships lose much of their importance to the person because we tend to become self-sufficient earlier with inner planets, and other planets like Saturn, Uranus, and the asteroid Chiron become the deciding or even the attraction factor.

posted November 25, 2021 02:41 PM            

The 11th house is indeed about your hopes and wishes, but at the same time, Venus in Leo and Mars in the 11th house doesnt make for an attraction, in synastry they both could be jn a square aspect, or inconjunct.

And please dont presume that you know what I have been reading.

People can get together without sun/moon or venus/mars but that doesnt mean that they really like each other.

posted November 26, 2021 03:19 PM            

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Since Venus and Mars rule opposite Signs, they very much crave each other's touch, because ultimately they are part of a larger whole, just as opposite Signs are part of a larger whole.

In a very real sense, it is like there are 6 main patterns that got polarized into connected pairs i.e. opposite Signs. This mirrors various other phenomena/patterns such as twin souls, the main 6 colors that make up the clear/white light, etc.

Venus and Mars literally hunger for union with each other, and this becomes most noticed in Venus Mars oppositions. Then there is the associations with Venus with the archetypal feminine and Mars with the archetypal masculine, which, though our Souls can often times be beyond such, in many cases our bodies are still quite responsive/reactive to.

For example, though I'm connected to a male body, I'm NOT a chaser type, and I've never chased anyone, until I met the person that I spoke about earlier that I have a double Venus Mars opposition with. It was like something switched and I became more hyper masculine (Mars attuned) in behavior with her, which again, is not my norm at all. (I'm usually more attuned to Venus and am more passive/receptive in nature). This is partly correlated with our double Mars Venus oppositions, but also our double Mars conjunct Asc i.e. she boosts the Mars in me, and I boost the Mars in her.

posted November 27, 2021 05:36 PM            

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Since Venus and Mars rule opposite Signs, they very much crave each other's touch, because ultimately they are part of a larger whole, just as opposite Signs are part of a larger whole.

In a very real sense, it is like there are 6 main patterns that got polarized into connected pairs i.e. opposite Signs. This mirrors various other phenomena/patterns such as twin souls, the main 6 colors that make up the clear/white light, etc.

Venus and Mars literally hunger for union with each other, and this becomes most noticed in Venus Mars oppositions. Then there is the associations with Venus with the archetypal feminine and Mars with the archetypal masculine, which, though our Souls can often times be beyond such, in many cases our bodies are still quite responsive/reactive to.

For example, though I'm connected to a male body, I'm NOT a chaser type, and I've never chased anyone, until I met the person that I spoke about earlier that I have a double Venus Mars opposition with. It was like something switched and I became more hyper masculine (Mars attuned) in behavior with her, which again, is not my norm at all. (I'm usually more attuned to Venus and am more passive/receptive in nature). This is partly correlated with our double Mars Venus oppositions, but also our double Mars conjunct Asc i.e. she boosts the Mars in me, and I boost the Mars in her.

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It is facinating to me how we all have our own takes on these big beautiful balls in the sky. To me, the attraction between Venus and Mars as one masculine and one feminine planet is more on the shallower physical side, opposites naturally attract kind of thing, compared to the deeper affection that Venus has for the sun. It's like a man who quickly checks out most women at a party just because he is visual and can't help it! And on top of that when you present Mars with the same moon and Venus and see him going for the Moon, you realize that the relationships between planets are definitely worth observing. I am not aware if you know this, but each planet is alive, has his or her own character, almost like a person, and is constantly evolving. Each planet has also a variety of duties adhered to it. No planet can help but work in the areas it has been commanded to. Kind of sad that they have no free will right?! But they are actually happy to be providing us with these services!

And then we have certain planets working for other planets! With Mars, we have Saturn as the supervisor. This is why in many relationships you see Mars-Saturn aspects, and relationships where Saturn is the woman and Mars the man, are certainly one of the most interesting and usually committed/long-lasting ones.

And then you see women choosing the sun person, when they are presented with the same degree Mars and Sun conjunct their Venus. This is also why one of the happiest sun sign combinations is the Taurus woman and the Leo man. And why do Sagittarius women chase Aries men you may ask? Because of the everlasting competition that Jupiter has with Saturn! Not over Mars exactly, but generally in terms of who is the bigger influencer. Jupiter gets an ego kick from impressing Mars, but the smart Mars always goes back to Saturn, leaving Jupiter bitter and chasing Venus instead! Of course, we are talking about the immature Jupiter here, and please note that a person may be 80 years old, but their Jupiter may be still immature. The evolved Jupiter is a natural influencer and does not find the need to try and be recognized.

Then during a person's Uranus transits, we see the most memorable and during their Chiron to Venus transit the most romantic times of a person's life. While as far as the mainstream data go, Uranus doesn't have anything to do with memory and Chiron is not about romance.

And what's the deal with the sun and the moon?! These two are already perfect on their own. Moon is the most mysterious planet, she can't even figure herself out, and the sun is honest and open. The sun is like okay I can support you and protect you, and the moon enjoys the warmth but still goes back to Pluto, Neptune, or Saturn, all the colder places like herself because ultimately the sun is too warm and open for her liking. But before she finally goes to the colder places, she goes to Mars for one hot but a short fling. The moon is so funny, she'll never know what she wants until she gets stuck in either of those three places and continues her development from there. Which perhaps to the disappointment of the person above me sun/moon aspects aren't mandatory for a relationship "to start". Their midpoint however is another long and interesting story.

Astrology will never cease to surprise me. And that is what I love about it. Plus I am sure there are still many more layers of it to be discovered and unveiled. What we know now is even minor compared to ancient knowledge, and I hope we can soon access all the secrets to this beautiful art.

Off-topic, and please excuse my curiosity. Do you have a strong Libra placement in your chart?

posted November 28, 2021 11:20 AM            

You seem to be confusing "comfort" with longing, attraction, etc. Does Venus feel more comfortable with say Sun or Moon? No doubt. But comfort doesn't always lead to attraction and a longing to be together.

Again, think of twin souls/flames. Their respective Expanded selves use to literally be part of the same Spirit or vast Light being if you will, but it split like a consciousness amoeba into two different, but connected selves--one with more of a Yin polarization and one with a more Yang polarization. It is that combination of similarity and yet opposite nature that leads to such intense attraction between these.

Well, you can think of Venus-Mars like being twin souls to each other. Or Mercury to Jupiter/Neptune, Moon to Saturn, Sun to Uranus, etc. These are also like complementary wavelengths and colors. If one does a lot of investigation into the correlations between the Planets and aura colors and endocrine glands/energetic centers, you'll see that there are some definite connections to be seen there.

Like Mars often correlates to red and Venus to cyan the complementary color. Sun in the more Leo flavor like an orange-yellow and Uranus in the more Aquarius flavor to an indigo like blue, Mercury to yellow and tan and Jupiter and Neptune to purple and lavender-violet type colors.

In science, with light, this is what happens when you combine/blend complementary colors (i.e. frequencies/wavelengths of light):

"Complementary colors are pairs of colors which, when combined or mixed, cancel each other out (lose hue) by producing a grayscale color like white or black. When placed next to each other, they create the strongest contrast for those two colors."

In metaphysical and consciousness terms, the union of opposites equates to strength, wholeness, and balance. And this is why opposite energies are so common in very close Synastric connections. Ultimately our psyches are seeking greater balance and wholeness, and sometimes outside relationships/energetic interactions can help with that.

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I don't find either to be the case, in fact, trying to find patterns among Sun sign only interactions seems to reveal very little of any kind of consistent patterns in synastry. And in truth, because Sagittarius has a 5th House pull/connection to Aries in an archetypal sense (i.e. put Sag on the Asc in a whole Sign chart, Aries will be the natural 5th House to Sag), it is often Aries that has more attraction to Sag in that romantic, sexual, dreamy, "their so beautiful" kind of way than Sag to Aries--no other factors being considered. In turn, Sag tends to have this natural reaction to strong Leo. But Sun Signs alone aren't enough of a factor to indicate much.

We are much, much more responsive to different symbols interacting with each other, than same symbols interacting with each other, generally speaking. Like Sun to Moon or Asc/Desc, Venus, Mars vs say Sun to Sun, Moon to Moon, Venus to Venus, etc. There are occasionally exceptions to this, but usually only if the same planets in interaction happen to both rule particularly sensitive placements in both of the partner's respective charts.

A lot of what you expressed seems to be either opinion or limited, personal observation. Good astrology also needs to be grounded in holistic logic and a larger metaphysics.

Like saying the Moon is the most "mysterious" planet? How so and in what universe? What do we know about the Moon? Is she mysterious to some extent? Yes, of course, as she is a very Yin/feminine polarized symbol, and by nature the Yin/Feminine corresponds to all that which is more unconscious, hidden, subtle in nature. However, most of the time in our skies she is quite visible as a reflector of the Sun's light.

She rules Cancer, the last of the personal Signs--not a particularly complex Sign.

I would say that Neptune, the more Yin ruler of the Yin and last (thus most complex) Sign of Pisces is far more mysterious and hard to grasp in its nature than the Moon. Mainly because Neptune corresponds to a much faster vibratory expression/consciousness (i.e. the beginning of Oneness and divine Love consciousness), in an archetype sense (not that everyone uses it at that fast vibratory level).

And while Neptune has been depicted in masculine forms and manners in mythology, I've known enough predominant Neptunians (usually with those with Neptune in the 1st or conjunct the Asc) to know that Neptune is more of a Yin/feminine energy than Yang, however, unlike the Moon, she does have more Yang balance and integration, which makes her far more complex and whole/balanced in nature than the very Yin polarized Moon.

To me, the deeper nature of the Planets is that they represent and correlate to major consciousness levels or "dimensions", most of which to our perception would seem nonphysical in nature, and which I've explored some consciously. Also, the Planets have a direct correspondence to one of the 7 main endocrine glands in the body, which in turn have correspondence to color vibration and those different consciousness/dimension levels that make up our entire little consciousness system. These are all different symbols of the same phenomena--the continuum of consciousness expressed at different vibrational rates for a lack of a better analogy. To say yellow/tan, Mercury, the adrenal glands, and the nonphysical dimension known to us as the "akashic records" is actually all saying the same thing. They are all different forms and symbols of the same vibration and consciousness level. Actually, the actual nonphysical dimension of the akashic records is not a "symbol" per se, but a real, objective reality.

Yes, as earlier, indirectly outlined, I have Libra Moon (and Pluto). That Libra Moon is conjunct the ruler of my Sun and Mercury (Cap) and co-ruler of my Venus and Desc (Aqua). A different kind of union of opposites (internal). Another way of saying it is that my strong Capricorn (and lesser extent Aquarius) is tinged with some definite Lunar and Libra energy independent of just having Libra Moon. Probably why I haven't been too involved with too many people with strong Cancer and/or Moon despite my very strong Capricorn, because these are already integrated in my psyche and thus no need for outside relationships to facilitate a greater balance.

posted November 29, 2021 02:08 AM            

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She rules Cancer, the last of the personal Signs--not a particularly complex Sign.

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It saddens me to see simplistic approaches like this on astrology forums 😌. But I like that you seem to have developed your own way of interpreting charts.

To hear that a particular sign or planet is not "complex" is very surprising to me! And unfortunately not in a way that feels good. Makes me wonder how biased a person might be about certain signs and planets. I hope that you realize you like every other human being, do have Cancer in your own chart somewhere (the house that contains it) even though you did confirm the strong Libra energies I picked up from your writing style.

As my final words to you, I hope you take a look back at the houses in your chart that contain Cancer, and tell me if you think you are non-complex in those areas 🙂. I'm sure you'll be surprised by how deeply psychological and complex this sign is.

Every sign and every house is equally complex. It's quite shallow to say certain signs are better than others.

Maybe you didn't mean it like this. Maybe you meant Cancer or any other sign for that matter, cares less about certain areas in life compared to another sign.

I do not believe I will be addressing you again as long as I am active on this forum, because I was responding to the original post and I was not looking to get into a lengthy discussion with unlike-minded folks, and so as not to shock or offend you any longer with the way I view the sky and the celestial objects 😀 because you sure sounded surprised! But I appreciate the experience anyway because I did learn things from our correspondence. And thanks for elaborating on your natal chart, I love observing people.

Best,
Eloquent

posted November 29, 2021 08:32 AM            

Yeah, if that was all I had written, I would agree with you too (smile). But it wasn't, was it?

Let's just compare Cancer to Pisces. Are you really going to argue that Cancer is a more complex and multifaceted Sign than Pisces? Pisces is literally known as the most complex and multi-faceted Sign of all the Zodiac because it has been through all previous 11 stages.

Heck, its even been called the "dust bin of the Zodiac".

But I somewhat agree with you indirectly. You cannot just judge a Planet based on the Sign(s) it rules. I've found that there tends to be relative differences in their respective vibration depending.

A great example is Leo and the Sun. The Sun, at it's core, is a much, much, much faster vibratory and transcendent symbol than Leo. Leo is like a a number of octaves stepped down version of the Sun. The Sun as is, when channeled purely is a golden light, but Leo is like a orange-yellow--much, much slower vibratory in nature. Leo is very earthly and Sun is the most heavenly and Spirit aligned Planet in our little system.

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Nah, I'm just grumpier than usual since I'm getting over an infection that has left me with very little energy (the rona).

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I hope you will be feeling better soon GCE. The effects of a COVID infection can be minor but can also linger for quite some time. Please take good care of yourself.

The Venus-Mars theory really isn’t a new one. Like GCE mentioned, active (yang) and receptive (yin) energy tend to be attracted to each other because they are naturally complementary. Each one has what the other lacks. Receptive energy planets are Venus and Moon, active energy planets are Mars and Sun. Classic combinations are Venus-Mars and Moon-Sun but Moon-Mars and Venus-Sun also can give that type of attraction.