posted December 31, 2021 12:48 PM              

When someone captures important, sensitive, and/or relationship oriented symbols in our 5th House, we tend to perceive them in a very idealistic way and often specifically either beautiful, attractive, sexy, and/or just pleasurable to be around, depending on the Planets involved. (Especially with symbols like Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Jupiter. Saturn can indicate some attraction as well, but often there is a heaviness involved in some way).

posted December 31, 2021 03:45 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Human ego being what it is, we are often flattered and/or enjoy when people find us beautiful, worthwhile, valuable, or the like, and sometimes a mutual resonance can occur, especially if there are attraction factors that indicate we are attracted to them as well.

Hence, it's not necessarily just a one way street, though the Planetary person definitely tends to feel it more.

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Thank you for your very helpful response! I guess I'm learning how much importance to put upon house overlays. I do feel very smitten with him, but I hope it'd go the other way too. Seeing me as beautiful, feeling romantic about me, etc. I would think his Venus in my 8H would help? Perhaps his Mars in my 7H? Perhaps a Cancer 5H NN in composite?

posted January 01, 2022 10:44 AM            

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Originally posted by angryant2021:
I put my Sun, Venus, Mars, Neptune, Uranus in my partners 5H (I have these in my 5h natal). He has saturn, NN, uranus, and neptune in there natally. One of the first words he used to describe me was fun! I would think he wants to be around you all the time

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posted January 01, 2022 12:00 PM              

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Originally posted by InTheStars:
...but I hope it'd go the other way too. Seeing me as beautiful, feeling romantic about me, etc.I would think his Venus in my 8H would help? Perhaps his Mars in my 7H..

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You're welcome. The two above are indeed very strong attraction indicators. However, they have a different vibe and flavor than 5th House type connection. Both 5th and 8th Houses deal with sexuality and sexual attraction.
Perhaps the archetypal difference could be illustrated by a somewhat allegorical like contrast.

Strong 5th House tends to be more like this: Two teenagers meet who are very attracted to each other. They are each other's first "love" and first time. For the most part, the connection while it can be dramatic at times, is more fun, playful, exploratory, and the like. There is a kind of innocence and lightness to it, despite the strong hormonal/lust part of it--for surely, they can't keep their hands off each other. The body, the gut, and the heart demands it.

8th House is more like, say two people have been married to other people for awhile. Say the marriages have been unhappy, kind of stagnant, and/or they have just been growing apart from their partners. But these two meet each other and they are twin souls or karmic soulmates with an intense past life connection, and there is a very intense, magnetic attraction. They want to rip each others clothes off, but also merge on all levels. Yet, they both are feeling some guilt towards betraying their other partners. That, and/or the twin soul and/or intense karmic soulmate connection, tends to stir up their shadow side.

So one minute, they can be passionately sharing love physically and planning/talking about a life together for the rest of their lives, and the next minute they could be raging at each other, feeling almost a hate and repulsion towards each other, BUT they have a hard time letting go of each other, and so they go right back despite the challenge/difficulty.

That is kind of the general, archetypal difference between strong 5th House and strong 8th House type connections. In the latter, there is often a heaviness, secrecy vs vulnerability, and/or intensity involved in the attraction that is often not involved in 5th House connections (though Saturn, Pluto, Mars, and/or Uranus in 5th can indicate some of that shading in).

Mars in 7th House is also quite an intense indication, in and of itself, especially when Mars is directly opposed the Asc of the other person. Mars=raw, primal, animalistic sexual energy i.e. pure lust and hormones. It is the red energy par excellence. 7th=closer and/or more intensely affecting relationships/connections (which is why it also corresponds to not just marriage partners and the like, but also to open enemies).

Asc=literally corresponds to the physical body itself, as well as being the amplifier of Planetary energies par excellence. One can think of the Asc point (not Sign), as being like a giant magnification lens, and any Planet near same especially in conjunction to a slightly lesser extent opposition, whether in a Natal, Transit, or Synastric sense, becomes greatly magnified.

There are different levels and kinds of both attraction, and of sexual energy. Mars and Asc represent sexual energy in the most physical, hormonal, genetic sense (i.e. the rutting and mating of animals to procreate to further the species--a built in powerful, bodily drive that most experience to some degree). 5th and 8th H.'s both have some of that, but have more nuance and/or blending with other factors. With 5th H. the 2nd and 4th Chakras are often strongly involved as well. With 8th, there is even more complexity, and Kundalini and even the 6th Chakra can be more involved.

Pluto, Scorpio, Leo, and Moon are also involved with sexual energy, but again, are a bit more influenced, blended, and/or nuanced than Mars and Ascendant (physical body).

As far as House overlays, it's also very important to look at the rulers of these various Houses to see what is going on. For a real world example: I share a Venus Mars opposition with a person where their Mars is conjunct my Asc with less than a full degree. Sounds/seems pretty intense, no?

If we dig a little deeper into just that one aspect, it gets a lot more intense when we learn that Mars rules her Sun, 8th House, and co-rules her Moon and North Node, and Venus rules my Moon, MC, and Pluto. But then we find that her Aries Sun is the opposite Sign of my Libra Moon and they are involved in a inconjunct/quincux aspect which can indicate a 8th House like flavoring for especially one of the parties.

That Venus Mars opposition underlies and strengthens a larger pattern of our Sun and Moon being in opposite Signs. And Mars ruling her 8th underlies and strengthens the pattern of the actual inconjunct/quincux aspect that is there between them (more specifically, she has Aries Sun 27* in conjunction with Taurus Mercury at 0* Taurus (Mercury is her chart ruler btw), conjunct also Taurus South Node at 5*. My Saturn, ruler of my Sun, Mercury, and faster moving ruler of my Venus and Desc is at 27* Virgo and is conjunct my Libra Moon at 3* Libra.

I had all the feels for this woman, from the 1st Chakra to the 7th with everything in between. But that is not fully outlined by what I just delineated. There was a lot more going on, which involved most of the symbols, including some very powerful Jupiter and Neptune stuff, Nodal stuff, 7th to 1st House stuff, and also another Venus Mars opposition where my Mars was also conjunct her Asc and her Venus was in my 8th, etc.

Perhaps some of the most intense synastry that I have ever seen, and I've been doing this astrology thing for nearly 30 years (more seriously/intensely for closer to 25 though).

But the most powerful synastry and composite stuff in the world doesn't trump freewill, spiritual plans behind the scenes or the like. We never got close in a material sense, because she had strong subconscious fear of our connection and ran for the hills. I also ended up rejecting her after she had ghosted me for 7 months, and then reconnected, but I felt she was using me and treating me like I didn't really matter to her (I don't think she thought this from her end and probably felt blindsided by my intense and extreme reaction. I literally asked her since I helped her, could she do a favor for me--favor being that we ask the Creative Forces for help in severing any and all energetic connection between us). It was a big old mess with a lot of 8th House, Pluto, Scorpio, and Saturn stuff going on. And yet, I still love her deeply and just cannot stop loving, missing, and wanting her on all levels, in all ways.

posted January 01, 2022 12:33 PM            

But honestly, your post made me a little sad. I'm sure a little 8H synastry sprinkled in can't be too bad, can it? Especially when one or both partners have some Scorpionic placements in their natal, it should work quite well, shouldn't it?

A synastry example:

posted January 01, 2022 02:35 PM            

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Originally posted by InTheStars:
Sounds lovely! How do you think this would pair with a 5H NN in composite?

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My best friend and I have a composite 5H NN--we have a lot of fun together, it's never a boring time even if we don't have anything planned. We can spend all day together. Even after 15 years of long distance + her marriage, we make time for each other and the fun doesn't stop

posted January 01, 2022 02:49 PM            

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Originally posted by angryant2021:
My best friend and I have a composite 5H NN--we have a lot of fun together, it's never a boring time even if we don't have anything planned. We can spend all day together. Even after 15 years of long distance + her marriage, we make time for each other and the fun doesn't stop

Also, I think you should not worry about the pluto/8h. My partner and I also have 8h overlays and many pluto aspects (both sides), and we embrace it (well, I tell him and he just laughs).

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posted January 01, 2022 03:03 PM              

Somewhat similar to me since I have Scorpio IC (another strong, but more unconscious and past oriented symbol). And boy did she bring out both my Scorpio and Uranian side quite strongly.

Her Scorpio Moon was in my 4th and conjunct my Scorpio Uranus, ruler of my Aqua Venus and Desc.

It really more so depends on the state of consciousness of both partners. Two older Souls who have done a lot of shadow work on themselves, have achieved a greater balance and self awareness, and are more attuned to real Love than not, will find it easier to bring out the more positive side of 8th House, Pluto, and/or Scorpio type connections.

But realize that these all have a powerful correlation with fear and shadow. Hence they tend to be challenging energies to deal with.

There is a significant age gap between us as I was born in 80 and she in 95, and we met when she was 24 and I 39. At the time, I was not looking for romance, a relationship, or anything, but she came into my life unexpectedly. I've been doing a lot of work on self for a good portion of my life, and have done a fair amount of shadow work, healing, achieving better balance, etc.

But what I had left in my shadow, she stirred up immensely. For her, probably just because she is 15 years younger than me with much less life experience, she was more starting on her journey of healing, shadow work, spiritual attunement, etc. She is an older soul, but she has/had some intense traumas to heal.

She at one point, asked me for help to heal her. I told her that's not really how it works, that true healing comes most from within and from connection to true Love and Source (and of course working on oneself), but that outside individuals can sometimes help to faciliate shifts in perception and/or energetics some, which can help in that process, but ultimately, it's something you have to really fully do on your own.

But I agreed to try at least, and every day for a month I meditated and sent her Love and healing energy while asking the purely Creative Forces to help me in this endeavor and to help her. It did have some definite effects. Her heart started to open up noticeably, but rather than share any of that with me, she shared it with a veritable boy-man (like 19 or 20 yr old with autism who seemed to just want to have sex mostly) and others.

And then after she cut off me and then him, she went to the opposite extreme with a guy literally twice her age, in his 50's and who is in a sex-materialism-ego cult disguised as a spiritual, healing, "tantra" group, founded by a major narcissist who has gotten in trouble several times for majorly breaking laws (and allowed one of his "head teachers" to serially molest and rape multiple women). But hey, she gets to travel around the world on a nice boat, gets to live cheaply in a material sense, etc. Very Taurus South Node conjunct her chart ruler also in Taurus. She desires comfort, material ease, over true spiritual growth which involves much difficult and/or less comfortable lifestyle.

Besides the traumas she experienced in this life with men--the core of her fear in relation to me seems to be this: We shared a past life where we were both spiritual and energetic worker types. We are twin souls and in that life, we became extremely merged on all levels, to the point wherein we experienced conscious, constant telepathy. Can you imagine making love with someone that ever Chakra and level was powerfully merged?

Anyways, because my Soul had come into that life from a different group and energy system, and because of the difficulties I had faced in my human life there, and that I had already lived a fairly long life (people lived longer then, this was like almost 13, 000 year ago), I deeply started to miss and long for my original group. I was fed up with earth and humans.

I asked my home group if they would take me with them, they agreed, and I decided to leave Earth. I explained all this to her, but she didn't fully understand. She was more tied in/resonant with earth/human energies than me, and she especially didn't understand how I could leave her.

Me leaving, despite the intense love bond between us, really facilitated a deep heart wound of abandonment in her. This has carried into various other Souls and lives from our Expanded selves and in their human connections.

So between her general fear of and trauma with men, and our specific past life connection, I had no chance at the time. I just sparked FEAR, FEAR, and more FEAR in her, even though there was love and intense attraction. Our first meetup after we met a mutual friend's party, I was unusually brazen, and as we were standing next to each other and watching people sing, I started to lightly run my fingers and hand up and down her back to her head, as if painting on a canvas and alternating between super gentle and light, to more firm and intense, I looked over, asked if she liked it, she said yes, and she looked completely blissed out.

Then after talking for awhile via text, etc, and after an argument via same, we made up and she forgave me, and she would say things like, "I feel so much better with love in my heart..."

But it was rarely ever direct, and it was constant mixed messages and ultimately keeping me at a distance, and the confusion, anger, and resentment in me just started to build and build. I sensed she also loved and wanted me, knew it at a very deep level, but I was not self aware and compassionate enough to understand how abjectly scared she was of me and our connection because she knew on some deep, mostly subconscious level of how much I could emotionally hurt her.

posted January 01, 2022 03:22 PM            

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Originally posted by InTheStars:
Could it also mean a couple's destiny is to create together?

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posted August 10, 2022 11:40 PM            

BUT my husband's late degree Virgo rising is in my 5th house.

8th house stellilums are important and easy as a middle millennial with the big planets in capricorn.

Since being engaged/married I've had Libra men tempting the hell out of me. Not a stellimum though one guy had Pluto and Mercury in Libra. The Pluto trined my ASC and the Mercury Sextiled my Mars.

This other dude has Jupiter trine my ASC

(They say the 5th house is also the house of affairs)

I think with all the Cancer, Capricorn, and Aries in my chart I don't think I can do Libra's long term.