posted March 26, 2010 08:19 AM            

the link is: http://www.positiveastrology.com/Articles/dynastry-003.asp

I HIGHLY recommend going there and reading it all through, if you are interested in the subject at least.

Some of the results I found there:

"Quantitative Conclusions:
The results of this sampling suggest that certain Sun Venus aspects are the main relationship starters in progressed (and natal) relationship astrology.

Sun Venus trines, conjunctions and oppositions create some kind of subjective condition which is favorable for relationships

This pattern is repeated in the case of Venus Mars trines and Venus Venus trines and may be detectable for oppositions and conjunctions of Venus and Mars under certain conditions.

No conclusions can be drawn from the rest of the sampling unless the relationships which include two-degree Sun Venus trines, conjunctions and oppositions are removed from the sample as results suggest that they play a role and will therefore interfere with analysis of the other aspect groupings. Their presence skews other results, which either normalize (Sun Venus squares) or start to appear influential (Sun Venus sextiles, Venus Mars oppositions) upon their removal from the sample.

Overall Venus appears to prefer the ease of the trine and to avoid conflict inherent in squares and oppositions. This rule is modified slightly when the Sun and Mars are involved.

Excess semi-sextile and quincunx aspects are the product of an excess of trines, conjunctions and oppositions. This is because there is a thirty degree gap between semi-sextiles and conjunctions:

30 degrees ----- retrograde------0 Degrees ------- Direct ----------- 30 degrees

For Sun progressions, 30 degrees = 30 years. Many relationships which include a natal semi-sextile between Sun and Venus will include a progressed conjunction, or they could possibly include a progressed sextile. Note that while the Sun cannot progress retrograde (backwards from 30 degrees to 0), Venus can.

30 degrees ------direct------------60 degrees-----------retrograde -----30 degrees

In a sample with an excess of progressed and natal conjunctions, an excess of semi-sextiles is also likely between the same planets. The fact that the excess is with conjunctions and not sextiles is explained best by astrology. (If we take the relationships which contain natal Sun semisextile natal Venus there are 73 relationships. In that sample, there exist a total of 33 2-degree-and-one- minute Sun Venus conjunctions and 19 2-degree-and-one-minute Sun Venus sextiles).

Quincunxes are aspects of 150 degrees and lie half way between trines and oppositions. Because there is an excess of both aspects in this sample, quincunxes occur at below expectation when we remove both trines and oppositions (see Table 5)

These are quantitative conclusions, we can however, examine individual relationships to ascertain if they provide qualitative reasons to suspect progressed Venus as a relationship indicator.

While no hard and fast conclusions should be inferred from these results, if you want to demonstrate astrology, this is the experiment you should perform to establish how you do it."

posted March 26, 2010 09:54 AM            

the posted results are only statistical though.
There will always be couples who will not fall under these "rules", only a high percentage does.

I`m sure that between you and him there are other progressed aspects as well.
For example I think even if ther eis a Sun-Venus progression present, it may not lead into something positive if there are some nasty Saturn-squares / oppositions present, too. I would also look out for Mars-squares, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto squaring progressed planets.

It`s always about the overall pattern.

EDIT:

"We are still argueing and doing things as if were dating"

What do you mean by that?

posted March 26, 2010 10:13 AM            

my
pSun conj pVenus/pMars
pVenus/pMerc conj nMars
pMoon trine pVenus/pMerc/nMars

sun rules my 7H,merc-5H,venus-4H

my partner
pVenus conj nChiron/nDesc
pVenus semi-sext pSun(& is moving into a conj with natal sun)
pMoon opp nVenus/sun-moon midpt
pVenus sq nnode

pSun(7H),merc(7H),mars,jupe(7H) in libra.
natal mars in p7H.

posted March 26, 2010 10:38 AM            

"I had a look and it looks good to me. A double sun-venus trine is rare."
Yes, I think it is.

If you give me your datas, I can also have a look. I am always interested in the "exceptions to a rule". I think those could help to find the "flaws" in a rule.

"And the argueing part is normal couple argueing over our past issues.. Or him getting jealous over petty things."

Hmm, didn`t you say you broke up?
But it sounds as if you are still in close contact with each other?

Paul WEstran described the Sun-Venus aspect as one that makes it easier to "negotiate"; maybe at the end of a relationship it shows that a couple can part rather "reasonably" or even "amicably"?
Or at the very least they can "negotiate" with each other?

I don`t know, I find this curious.

Well, it would be interesting to see if there will be changes in you dealing with each other, once the progressions are separating.

Maybe this will be the moment that you can REALLY part ways?

EDIT:
BTW I have found these aspects he mentioned Sun-Venus, Venus-Venus, sometimes Venus-Mars and Sun-DESC or Venus-ASC present at the beginning of nearly all relationships I investigated.
I do not have any experience with the ending of relationships though; so far I can only say that these findings seem to apply very often at the beginning of a relationship.

But of course like always free will is the all deciding factor. It doesn`t mean that all people with Sun-Venus progressions will become involved with each other, but usually IF there is a relationship forming, there will also be one of these aspects.

posted March 26, 2010 02:31 PM              

My date of birth is 9th july 83 at 10:41am sydney- australia

Fred is 16th may 82 and 10:30am istanbul - turkey.

When we started dating in 2000 we didnt have progressed planets making great aspects to each others chart but we did has sa venus aspects in our own individual charts.

But i cant see us being so happy after so long unless he changed and grew a brain and taurus never changes! Its hard for me to let go of him because i feel like were family and not talking to him is like not talking to a family member. He doesnt let go of me either considering everything. But i always believed if we lived together and his mum dissapeared off the planet we'd be the happiest couple in the world.

posted March 26, 2010 03:53 PM            

it showed up in our SR charts.

me:
- SR nnode conj nASC in SR 5H.

- SR moon sext SR venus.

- SR moon opp [natal moon(trine SR venus)]

- sun conjunct mars/merc(SR 7H/natal 5H ruler)in the 3H in sag.

we met in Sri Lanka in his neighbourhood...

it showed up more clearly in his chart.
- nVenus conj SR snode

- nVenus opp SR neptune

- SR moon/jupe conjunction squared venus.

- SR libra merc(4 & 7H lords)/venus/mars conj natal jupe/mars in SR 12H.

it was hidden from our families till the beans got spilled during this merc/mars retro period.
every1 opposes the relationship.

when we met,all the transiting planets were conj/opp our natal placements.

posted March 26, 2010 05:00 PM            

yes, it shows.

I had a look at your progressed synastry in 2000 and 2010.

2000:

your pr Sun conjunct his pr ASC (1 degree applying)
- this means, your pr Sun was opposing his pr DESC, which is the "Venus-point"; it is a connection I have often found at the outset of a relationship, if Sun-Venus was NOT present

Other aspects:
your pr Sun square his pr Venus (1,5° separating)
- this is the "Star crossed lovers" aspect, which usually keeps people apart due to some obstacles, and if it separates and fades, it will be felt like some sort of relief, which can lead into a relationship, too

your pr Moon trine his pr Sun (2 applying)
his pr Moon trine your Mars (3 applying)
- this would be felt more strongly a little bit later into the relationship (pr Moon moves fairly quickly) and it could indicate that you thought you were compatible (sun trine Moon) and there was some intense emotions as well (Moon-mars)

your pr ASC conjunct his pr Pluto (2,5 applying)
- this was probably too far off in 2000 to be felt strongly (but Nine told me she uses 3 degrees applying for progressed aspects), but a while into the relationship it must have felt like you had come under some kind of "hypnotic spell"; passions running high and deep and intense, and probably manipulative behaviour, jealousy and powerplays as well.
But at the beginning ASc-Pluto feels very fated, and makes you almost obsessively fascinated

There were also two progressions with Uranus

your pr Sun exact trine his pr Uranus
his pr ASC trine your Uranus (2 applying)
- these aspects probably indicated an electric spark present at the outset, mutual fascination and a very unusual attraction; it`s hard to resist Uranus-aspects.
it`s like there is a red button and you remember your mother saying: Do NOT push the red button.
But it is REALLY red - you can`t resist, you push it, even if you have no idea if you will make the whole building explode with you in it, just by pushing it.

posted March 26, 2010 05:08 PM            

The conjunction of your pr Sun and his pr ASC is separating by about 1 degree; after having looked at several progressed charts I suspect, that separating aspects are fading in strength quickly, between 0,5 and 1 degree already.

It`s true you have your pr Sun trine his Venus with 1,5 degree applying (I didn`t see the other trine, I thought it was a sextile, and those seem to be pretty weak)

BUT you have tow other much closer aspects, which will be in the centre right now, as they are much closer than the Sun-Venus-trine

your pr Mars absolutely squares his pr Pluto
his pr Mars squares your Mars (0,5 applying)
- these look a bit like "war" aspects to me. Of course Pluto can also be passionate, but usually at the end or in the middle of a relationship it can lead to a "war of roses" scenario.
Petty arguments that could even get out of hand and maybe become violent, if you aren`t careful. Both of you will want to assert yourself and will not give, not one damned inch.
In the very least these are very conflicting aspects.

On top of that you have some aspects with outer planets, that are so close in orb, that they will appear in the progressed synastry, too.

his pr Saturn squares your Sun
his pr Neptune opposite your Moon

posted March 26, 2010 05:14 PM            

What would you say about these?

progressed to natal

Jupiter trine sun
venus trine uranus
venus sextile NN/SN
venus sextile merc
venus parallel NN/SN
Sun conjunct AC
Moon conunct NN
Merc square mars
Sun square mars
mars trine venus/saturn
moon opposite mars
AC/DC square NN
chiron conjunct sun
mars square pluto
uranus sextile mars
chron conjunct POF
saturn square sun
mars conjunct venus

this last one is wide (4*) but applying
venus trine venus

progressed to progressed

cusp of 11th conjunct venus
MC/IC square mercury
merc conjunct moon

posted March 27, 2010 12:04 PM            

what are the orbs and are the aspects applying or separating?

Lara,

posted March 27, 2010 12:20 PM            

My PR merk 7,07 conj my PR AC 8,48
My PR merk conj N merk 7,58+ N uran 8,33(house 7 ruler)
My PR AC 8,48 virgo conj PR merk 7,07
My PR AC conj my house 7 ruler N uran 8,33 in virgo

My PR moon 7,29 in aqua trine N moon 6,49
My PR moon quinkunx my PR merk/PR AC virgo
My PR moon quinkunx my Natal merk/uran in virgo

In the sommer PR moon exact in opp my sun/AC/PR venus

posted March 28, 2010 03:02 AM              

Wow that was pretty spot on!

in 2000 you wrote..

quote:

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your pr Sun square his pr Venus (1,5° separating)
- this is the "Star crossed lovers" aspect, which usually keeps people apart due to some obstacles, and if it separates and fades, it will be felt like some sort of relief, which can lead into a relationship, too

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Well we kind of kept it hidden in the beginning because I was dating his best friend I ended up going overseas for a while during that time too.

also..

quote:

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it must have felt like you had come under some kind of "hypnotic spell"; passions running high and deep and intense, and probably manipulative behaviour, jealousy and powerplays as well.
But at the beginning ASc-Pluto feels very fated, and makes you almost obsessively fascinated

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I think he felt this alot. He was madly in love with me but I was in the beginning wanting to get back at my ex boyfriend and didnt care much about him but still dated him because he was always around but i wasnt in love with him till around about 2005..

2010............

quote:

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your pr Mars absolutely squares his pr Pluto
his pr Mars squares your Mars (0,5 applying)
- these look a bit like "war" aspects to me. Of course Pluto can also be passionate, but usually at the end or in the middle of a relationship it can lead to a "war of roses" scenario.
Petty arguments that could even get out of hand and maybe become violent, if you aren`t careful. Both of you will want to assert yourself and will not give, not one damned inch.

---

I am close to killing him these days. The anger has built up alot and 3 weeks ago I got in his car and broke his rear vision mirror and the console dash thing in the car and then i threw his cds out at him and the cd hit his forehead and split it open. He ended up getting stitches. I had nightmares for 2 days after it and got scared to meet up with him. On that day I also had transit pluto opposing my natal mars, I think my own anger freaked me out.

and the most accurate statement was ...

quote:

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- I do not like these. It`s like on an emotional level he is letting you down, eluding you, misleading you, confusing you, doesnīt understand you (even though there may be compassionate feelings between you at the same time), and on a more conscious level he restricts your personality and you may feel over-burdened (even though Sun-Saturn is very karmic at the same time).
Maybe you felt you "owed" him something?

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You couldnt have described my feelings any better. It is 100% true. He leads me on and tells me he loves me but his actions prove otherwise and even though i am now out of love with him the fact that he says it and makes out as if I dont know what love is and he does and blah blah it makes me so angry. I dont think he understands me and i dont think i understand him and I want him out of my life but its so easy coming back to familiar grounds when theres noone else around. I dont like other guys because I cant date a guy I dont have feelings for. Feelings have to come first for me otherwise the new romance repulses me.

By the way I had another look why you couldnt see the other Venus - sun aspect and I did find it.

MY SA venus is exactly trine his natal sun now.

MY progressed sun is trine his venus.

So both my sun and venus are aspecting his sun and venus. Last night when i seen him he was so ugly to me. The attraction is dying.

So does all of this mean that over time relationships progress and get better or worse depending on aspects it makes to each others chart during the progression?

posted March 28, 2010 07:14 AM            

I`m glad I was fairly accurate in what I said.

This anger you felt, I feel it might be very much due to the heavy Mars-progressions in synastry as well as you having this Mars-Pluto aspect individually right now. It can make someone uncharacteristically going beserk.
Of course it is not the only possible expression, but potentially a danger of violence is there, especially if this Mars-Pluto aspect is repeated in the synastry or pr synastry between two people.

"So does all of this mean that over time relationships progress and get better or worse depending on aspects it makes to each others chart during the progression?"
That is what the theory of synastric progession states.

And I am currently researching it to find out if it`s true. So far it seems that this theory is often more accurate as most other astrological theories I`ve come across, even though it still might not work 100 percent of the time.

I only can say this for progressions, though, I haven`t studied Solar Arc in synastry at all. Maybe it holds true for it, too.

I focused on progressions, because Paul Westran used it in his study, and he was investigation 1300 relationships; so I think that is a pretty good sample and statistically significant.

posted March 28, 2010 07:31 AM              

But I know that if i keep seeing him I will start to plan and plot how I can poison him

Only time will tell I guess. We've been inseperable for years. It never ever really seems over. Maybe that aspect is keeping us together but the other ones are making us want to kill each other. Last night he told me he loved me and I told him i hated him with a big smile on my face.. I cant live with him and i cant live without him..

posted March 28, 2010 07:32 AM            

"Jupiter trine sun -- 3 applying"
I guess this is already present in the natals?
If so, over time this synastric aspect will get more significant, and I reckon it might be good for a friendship vibe, harmonious, benevolent, supportive.
If there are more romantic aspects present, it might help a relationship, too, providing some good feelings.

"venus trine uranus -- 1 applying"
This seems to be pretty significant right now.
I once experienced that aspect myself. It made for an unusual, flirtative encounter, with a strange "flirring" energy,b ut nothing ever came out of it (in our case it was the only relevant progression with Venus we had).

"Sun conjunct AC --exact"
An aspect that seems to appear often. I guess it makes for finding common ground and familiarity and compatibility (or since this is the progression - the feeling of compatibility at this moment); and with Sun opposing DESC, it might even give an opportunity for a romantic relationship to form.
BUT if it is exact now, it will be separating soon, and maybe next year the strength will have faded, and you will need some other progressions to maintain that feeling of connectedness (or maybe also strong synastric aspects).

"Sun square mars -- exact"
Are these people competing about anything?
Sun-Mars in a square is energy, energy, energy - maybe too much energy too handle, especially since the square shows conflicting energies.
In a romantic encounter it can at first ignite strong passions, but those could detoriate quickly into bitching and arguing about anything.
Or you could make a real "dynamic duo", if you find a common goal to fight for (which is not an easy task with the square aspect).

"ars trine venus/saturn -- venus -- 1 applying"
Mars-Venus trine is the aspect that Westran found to happen most often in affairs.
It seems to denote a passionate romantic attraction, with Saturn here, there may be some brakes on it?
Or is Saturn giving it some more stability?

"moon opposite mars -- 2 applying"
I am not sure how much of it is felt at that moment; it will get stronger though shortly, as pr Moon is fairly quickly moving.
It will arouse strong intense feelings, but not always the positive ones. I guess there could be anger issues due to hurt feelings.
Or it will lead into a really stormy emotionally intense encounter, negatively as well as positively.

"chiron conjunct sun -- exact"
Hmm, this is not an aspect that appeared in the study, but it might significant though. It seems to be also there in the natals, so there is a lot about wounding and healing and learning from it.

"mars square pluto -- 1 separating"
Not a fun aspect surely. But luckily it`s separating. Was there bitter animosity or fighting between the people involved?
of course Mars-Pluto can also be about sexual passion, but it can get nasty with that aspect. (of course it does not HAVE to).

"saturn square sun -- 2 applying"
It will gain in strength over time, and again it is not a fun one.
There will be resistance, rejection, refusal, overcriticism, but on the other hand it can also forge a very strong committed bond. Almost like two people cannot let go of each other, even though they know it would be better if they could.

I had that in synastry with someone. My Saturn exact square his Sun. It was me who suffered the most, cause his personality and selfexpression somehow led me into my greatest vulnerabilities (Saturn in Cancer in 8th house), which made me go all defensive and rejectful, until I realized I was projecting my fears and "shadow" onto him.

posted March 28, 2010 07:36 AM            

making an agreement would be very Sun-Venus like.