posted January 06, 2023 08:37 PM            

The way I'm counting these in synastry, is that one person has the two-planet base plus mid-sextile planet, and the other person adds the apex to the Yod (which opposes the other person's mid-sextile planet). So one person essentially will have 3 planets in a row, and then the other person will have one planet or a stellium opposite that.

I have 11 yods in synastry with someone using this criteria for their formation, and every single one of them is a boomerang (meaning there is a planet opposing the apex). That seems like a lot...

Additionally, we have 5 double-whammys with our apex planets (so, that's 10 of the 11). The planets/points that we each have as an apex are: Ascendant, Venus, Mars, Ceres, and Pallas. The last two, Ceres and Pallas, are parts of stelliums for both of us, which involve other planets too.

I'm slightly jarred by this realization, because as I understand it, Yods are rare-ish to begin with, so for all of them to be Boomerang Yods is just kind of like...??? Plus the fact that almost every one of them is a double-whammy with the apex planets... My head is spinning.

posted January 07, 2023 08:03 PM            

That's crazy! My head is spinning too!

Show us the chart!

It goes to show how dynamic individual's natal patterns are. Someone's natal that is focused in one area is less likely to experience the incredibly vast richness that the other patterns are exposed to when meeting other people.

posted January 07, 2023 09:22 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
edenhardwicke,

That's crazy! My head is spinning too!

Show us the chart!

It goes to show how dynamic individual's natal patterns are. Someone's natal that is focused in one area is less likely to experience the incredibly vast richness that the other patterns are exposed to when meeting other people.

How are you with this person?

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Thanks for responding! I mapped out all of our quincunxes in synastry and the result was overwhelming lol, here it is. If you want me to post any of the mapped-out Yods individually I can do that too. I spent a decent amount of time on this because I was fascinated by it. This person is my former girlfriend, now ex, and our relationship was like nothing either of us had ever experienced before. We started thinking about marriage pretty much immediately upon meeting, and that is (somewhat bafflingly) still on the table assuming we fall back together in the future.

I am the blue person on the inside, she is the red person on the outside. One thing I noticed is that there are several instances of Yods where we both have apex planets in opposition to each other, so it's like overlapping flip-flopped Yods? There's one with my Ceres/Mercury as an apex and another with her Venus as an apex, which oppose each other. And there's another set with my Venus as an apex and her Sun as an apex, which oppose each other. There are more but those are the ones that stood out to me the most.

posted January 07, 2023 09:38 PM            

I don't believe this. Are you having a joke?

Is there a function on Astro where you can just highlight certain aspects?

Can you please make it smaller? So it's not yelling, lol. And include the aspect grid please? And natals.

posted January 07, 2023 09:56 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
No way..

I don't believe this. Are you having a joke?

Is there a function on Astro where you can just highlight certain aspects?

Can you please make it smaller? So it's not yelling, lol. And include the aspect grid please? And natals.

And eliminate aspects to points, such as ascendant and vertex. It makes it easier to explore

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I did this myself online since I couldn't find a function like that on Astro.com, lol (I so wish they had a tool like that!). But I just used a drawing tool on a website that could give me straight lines, and referenced the synastry aspect table to make sure I was drawing everything right. The maximum orb for the quincunxes I used was 2 degrees, but almost all of them are 0-1 degree orbs.

posted January 07, 2023 10:12 PM            

Well, I've forgotten how to post charts anyhow, so I cannot advise.

GirlWithRainySoul does it well, maybe she can help us both?

Now you've told me how you did this I am interested in your natal, lol. What Virgo placements do you have? Is Virgo tenacious? Tenacious enough to see such a task through? Or is it one of the fixed elements instead? Aquarius is nerdy enough to do such a thing, I'm guessing.

Yes.. the composites too, why not? And the usual synastry from Astro. But yes, it's very hard to look at it so large. It gives me a headache and I avoid. Because I need to self-care, lol.

I can't wait to get into this. I need to take my time, because I'm a bit astrologied out and need to take it slower. Otherwise it compromises the quality of my reads.

posted January 07, 2023 10:23 PM            

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Lol.. haaha..

Well, I've forgotten how to post charts anyhow, so I cannot advise.

GirlWithRainySoul does it well, maybe she can help us both?

Now you've told me how you did this I am interested in your natal, lol. What Virgo placements do you have? Is Virgo tenacious? Tenacious enough to see such a task through? Or is it one of the fixed elements instead? Aquarius is nerdy enough to do such a thing, I'm guessing.

Yes.. the composites too, why not? But yes, it's very hard to look at it so large. It gives me a headache and I avoid. Because I need to self-care, lol.

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I actually have nothing in Virgo, if you can believe it. My 6th house cusp is in Scorpio but it's empty except for my Vertex. However, I have Pallas, Neptune, and Eros in Aquarius in my 9th house and my Midheaven is also in Aquarius. Uranus is in my 10th in Aquarius, very close to my Midheaven. And Mercury is not far past that, in my 10th in early Pisces. I also have Pluto in Sagittarius in my 7th house so obsession with relationships, while it can be unhealthy sometimes, is one of my main tendencies.

posted January 07, 2023 10:32 PM            

Lol.. haha..

Yep ok.. for comparision, I have Uranus in my 10H too.

Also, my Moon is conjunct that Uranus, and, they are in Libra. And, that Moon rules my 7H. And that Moon and Uranus in Libra, squares my Venus.

So yes, like you I can spell obsession with relationships quite well. I just find them fascinating.

Incidentally, the Uranus rules my Mercury, Sun, and NN. The Mercury and the Moon/Uranus are trine, with a sextile in the middle to my Mars and Jupiter, who are both in Sag.

So that's a talent triangle there. My "prison" lol. With Mars at the apex.

And pretty much the base of yod too, with Saturn at the apex (who is the ruler of my Venus)

posted January 08, 2023 07:24 AM            

So in non-boomerang yods, where there is not a planet or asteroid in the mid-sextile position, how do you access that release? Without looking at your boomerangs, I get the feel that you already have the answers and that the energy just ping pongs back and forth through the chart as it needs to. There is always a resolution, you just need to access it. So if you are young yet, and this energy is hard to handle, maybe focusing on those midpoints is a way to navigate it.

posted January 08, 2023 09:02 AM            

Given the idea that energy must flow, if it doesn't, it becomes stuck. Stuck in the body, for example: the psyche, the nervous system.

To release, I look to smooth aspects to/from tense points to discharge some of the static tension. Such as which can be found at apexes.

The smooth aspects can come from the natal, or synastries.. Or, I suppose, it can be discharged in other ways - via active conscious choice - like engaging sport or drinking alcohol, or something.

For Boomerangs, there must be a planet at the midpoint of the two sextiles - so an opposition to the apex. I see it as a ping-pong, yes, as you say. Further, I say, an entrapment of energy, still, but bouncing back and forward this time, not static.

Again, it depends - if there's no way out for the tension of - say - the person with the apex (and bouncing), they are dependent on the person with the sextiles to "resolve" the tension. This can be dangerous, as well as useful, healthy, co-dependent, or debilitating.

posted January 08, 2023 12:17 PM            

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To resize- the only way I could do it through Imgur was to add the chart as a photo, then upload to Imgur. This kept the image size more palatable.

I would love to see the individual charts too!

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Okay I will try again here- if it works, I will edit the original quincunx aspect drawing I posted and then on this post I will put our natal charts and composite. I think I will keep the aspect lines to Vertex because that plays a large role in our composite chart since it's exactly conjunct the Descendant in our 7th house (of course it is LOL).

Edit: ugh, okay I really can't figure out how to embed the Imgur images without them being enormous or not showing up at all. So I'm going to try a different image hosting site and see if that works better?

posted January 08, 2023 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by edenhardwicke:

Okay I will try again here- if it works, I will edit the original quincunx aspect drawing I posted and then on this post I will put our natal charts and composite. I think I will keep the aspect lines to Vertex because that plays a large role in our composite chart since it's exactly conjunct the Descendant in our 7th house (of course it is LOL).

Edit: ugh, okay I really can't figure out how to embed the Imgur images without them being enormous or not showing up at all. So I'm going to try a different image hosting site and see if that works better?

Edit 2: AHA! Okay, I did it through Imgbox and it worked! So now I will resize the original giant one and here I will put our natals and composite.

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My natal chart and aspect table:

Her natal chart and aspect table:

posted January 08, 2023 12:55 PM            

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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
As for yods- I was reading a little yesterday, thanks to Sass. Essentially that mid sextile point, the inconjunct really, is the release for the apex. So when the second party comes along and creates the yod, the original owner of the sextile already has the answer as to how to resolve the tension...

So in non-boomerang yods, where there is not a planet or asteroid in the mid-sextile position, how do you access that release? Without looking at your boomerangs, I get the feel that you already have the answers and that the energy just ping pongs back and forth through the chart as it needs to. There is always a resolution, you just need to access it. So if you are young yet, and this energy is hard to handle, maybe focusing on those midpoints is a way to navigate it.

Does she have interest and knowledge in astrology? Because you can look at your chart and focus on your mid-sextile points as a way to work in the relationship, but then how do you communicate to a partner how they can work through their own side of things if they aren't looking at it as you are- through numbers and patterns...

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posted January 08, 2023 02:32 PM            

I feel so much heaviness for such young souls, this feels like karmic ties reuniting to work on something from the past. Saturn on asc, though you have this natally, that’s so heavy, and Chiron conjunct mars… no supportive aspects for moon.

I see a Pisces sun with an Aries moon and a Libra sun with a Pisces moon- a Gemini outgoing asc and a reserved Capricorn … you are coming from such different places and it feels heading in very different places too.

posted January 08, 2023 03:38 PM            

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Well I haven’t analyzed the yods yet, but this is one hell of a heavy relationship. And you’re young! You’re my daughter’s age.

I feel so much heaviness for such young souls, this feels like karmic ties reuniting to work on something from the past. Saturn on asc, though you have this natally, that’s so heavy, and Chiron conjunct mars… no supportive aspects for moon.

I see a Pisces sun with an Aries moon and a Libra sun with a Pisces moon- a Gemini outgoing asc and a reserved Capricorn … you are coming from such different places and it feels heading in very different places too.

I definitely see your attraction, the pull, the love, the connection. Sometimes I think that happens so our would make sure to connect and work on our past karma. Maybe this space where you are apart allows room for your soul to grow and gain time/ more life experience before trying to sort this out again?

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I agree, it's super heavy. Capricorn midheaven, Sun, Chiron, Mercury in the composite, some incredibly tight conjunctions and stelliums, the fact that composite ascendant is 29 degrees Pisces conjunct her natal moon, etc.

The way I see it is we both bring energy to areas/signs that the other person lacks natally. I have no Virgo, Libra, Scorpio (except Vertex) natally and she doesn't have any Aries or Taurus aside from her IC, so we fill those areas, and then even though we have different Sun/Moon/Rising we both have our Parts of Fortune in Cancer conjunct each other's Jupiters. So the integration points are the same for both of us even though we have some different stuff going on. Because POF is calculated using people's natal Sun, Moon, and Ascendant, somehow even though we have differences we kind of end up in the same place, which is Cancer. I also think Saturn on my Ascendant natally helps me understand Capricorn rising, and both of my parents have Capricorn rising so I'm very familiar with the energy (plus Capricorn/Saturn rule my 8th house).

In composite, Mars is quintile Chiron, which is interesting.

And back to the Yod stuff, in composite we have two Boomerang Yods: one with Juno at the apex, Mars and Pallas as the bases, and Ceres/Neptune as the release point. The other Yod has Pallas as the apex, Saturn/Vesta and Juno as the bases, and Jupiter/POF as the release point. I think that Pallas in composite is like, the things the relationship is teaching you? And I know Juno is marriage/commitment. The fact that both Yods have Pallas and Juno seems intense especially since one also involves Mars and the other involves Saturn.

But our relationship itself, when we were in it, always felt full of love and comfort and joy and laughter. Our breakup was the most peaceful and loving thing ever, heavy with the mutually lingering hope of reconnection. We would always playfully bicker like an old married couple and never shied away from conflict but somehow we never really fought either. We laughed together constantly and have the same sense of humor, the same life values, generally similar life goals and histories, a very very deep understanding of each other, the same spiritual worldview, etc. But she is more spontaneous and quick witted than I am, and I do more intellectualizing and talking.

It felt heavy not in a way that was weighing us down, but in a way that was like "Oh my god, this is it. This is such a deep and profound relationship and we are probably going to get married. Why do we have to be so young?? Why now??"

I also think the composite North Node exactly conjunct Venus (in the same sign and house as Saturn/Vesta) in a sort-of stellium with Cancer IC and Jupiter/POF in 4th is like.. PHEW...

I think the Jupiter/POF in Cancer in the 4th manifests as our mutual yearning to build a home and family life together, which we have not been able to do since we're young and still in college. We're both female, and I guess maybe the Ceres opposite Juno coupled with the Jupiter/POF in Cancer in the 4th stuff makes me think one of the keys to our relationship being happy and fulfilling is being mothers together? I always thought I didn't want kids, and she always thought she didn't want kids, but I think as time goes on we're both starting to contemplate that possibility more (though mostly silently- we made remarks in the last month we were together about how we would be such good parents with each other, but I was more closed off to the idea than she was at the time).

posted January 08, 2023 04:41 PM            

Both of us are Life Path 5s. (Calculated by adding and reducing the digits of our birthdays)

AND both of us are Soul Urge/Heart's Desire 7s (Calculated by adding and reducing the values of the vowels in our first, middle, and last names).

posted January 08, 2023 09:14 PM            

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Wow! That's so sweet, and so genuine. I think it's rare for those connections. I don't know how long you were together, but I think it's safe to trust in the universe and know that if this is indeed "the one", it'll happen.

Maybe the karma and lessons are learning to trust that what is truly yours will make its way back to you?

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We were together for two years, and then we broke up because we acknowledged we weren't ready to be in the relationship since it was (and is) so serious and we were both like "this is the be-all and end-all." So since we are both still in college, still young, need to establish our own adult identities, etc. and are not ready to be married, we were like okay then we shouldn't act like we're married already, let's wait and see what happens when we're older. The impetus was her wanting to date a guy she met at the beginning of this school year (as a fun, lighthearted, not-as-serious thing), which was difficult to deal with because neither of us wanted to let go of each other, but it basically boiled down to her wanting to have time to go wild and be a normal college kid, and me needing time to shore up some health issues and be more independent. She told me that she introduced me to the guy by saying "Eden is the person I'm going to marry." (Which surprised me when she told me, I was like, "Really? You just went out and said that? To him specifically?") She is dating him right now, but I don't know how it's going since we don't have contact at the moment. I'm not sure when we will talk again since I'm just going to wait for her to reach out first if/when she wants to.

Not knowing what will happen is the hardest part, I think. But you're right, that part of the lesson is being okay with the ambiguity and just trusting the Universe.

The Universe definitely brought us together, it was like we had no choice in the matter. She actually knew of my existence on social media a year before we met (which was weird, I had a small public account and she found it when looking for places to do research for a school project), and then we matched on a friendship-making site for our college, and then when we met up in person we found out that we were both in the same small class of 25 people (which was our only in-person class of the semester since it was during the beginning of the pandemic). And before choosing a college, she toured one of the colleges in my small town which is two states away from where she lives and almost nobody visits it unless they live in the area. I, meanwhile, was touring and highly considering selecting one of the colleges right next to HER hometown, and was specifically drawn to one that has the same name as her high school.

So it was like one way or another, we were going to meet. I think Composite Vertex conjunct Descendant in the 7th speaks to the fatedness.

I guess one of the main things I'm struggling with is the deep sense of "knowing" that this is meant to be, coupled with my objective lack of ability to predict the future, and also an inherent conflict in our philosophies about relationships that has yet to be resolved (she's inclined towards non-monogamy although I don't believe she would ever be able to sustain it long-term, but I think that's something she'll have to figure out for herself).

She wanted to be able to date this other guy and still be with me, but I was like "Nope, not happening." So I broke up with her technically, which I did to preserve everyone's sanity. I think she's just young and wants to explore, but I don't know for sure, and the concept that she might never want to be in a monogamous relationship is scary because it would (at least theoretically) be the only thing preventing us from ending up together (since I am firm on my stance of wanting/needing monogamy).

Astrologically, I think her current ambivalence about monogamy is proooobably the result of her 8th house Virgo Venus exactly square Pluto and Saturn. That, of course, is playing out on my Asc/Dsc axis and in my 4th house! Plus she has Neptune and Uranus in Aquarius in the 1st so having zany and unrealistic ideas/delusions about herself and what she's capable of probably applies. But it's also probably one of the things that makes her such a talented artist. She's also got Mars exactly trine Venus, both in water houses and earth signs, which again speaks to how talented she is at art, but I think it gives her a lot of erotic energy in general and so sometimes she feels like it's overflowing or too much to contain. Especially since the Venus square to Pluto and Saturn has definitely not been fully worked through/integrated yet, having such an easy outlet from Venus to Mars has the potential to work to her detriment if she isn't careful. But her Venus is in my 4th house and her Mars is in my 8th, and like I said her Saturn-Pluto stuff is right on my Asc/Dsc, plus her 1st house Neptune and Uranus are in my 9th/10th in the same sign as my Pallas and Eros, so I feel like I "get" her. Deeply and intimately, I understand what's going on and I empathize with it. It's just that she learns through action/experience, so even when I can read her and tell her what I think is happening, she won't always believe it until she tests the theory.

Anyway... that's all tangential to the Yod conversation. But I hope it's useful context, maybe it can help with interpreting the Yods themselves.

posted January 08, 2023 09:30 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:

Again, it depends - if there's no way out for the tension of - say - the person with the apex (and bouncing), they are dependent on the person with the sextiles to "resolve" the tension. This can be dangerous, as well as useful, healthy, co-dependent, or debilitating.

Smooth aspects out is always good for high intensity energy I say. All IMO.

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posted January 08, 2023 09:32 PM            

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How do you feel with these yods and boomerangs??

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