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Topic: Will I see him again?
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EmGem
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posted April 18, 2015 08:43 PM
  
TOTAL newbie here so I need some help.
We have had a couple of romantic encounters. I just wanted to know if I'll see him again. I asked the question pretty freely and spontaneously. Was I supposed to meditate on it or something? lol
So far I got this: Using me as the 1st and he as the 5th. I'm mercury and he is venus. They're semisextiling. Haven't moved beyond this! thanks.  IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted April 18, 2015 09:12 PM
Is the chart in Reigomontus style?IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted April 18, 2015 09:24 PM
yep!IP: Logged |
appleberry
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posted April 18, 2015 10:40 PM
Because you've said you've already had "romantic" (intimate) encounters, I assume this is probably a 7th house question, not a 5th... But since you've posted a chart with no degrees/numbers on it... I can't really say much. I'd be guessing... and it's way more work to have to figure it out. I do see a clear applying square aspect between the two main significators, and I can see that you are more interested than he is... but there will be challenge or obstacles to overcome in order to do so. Is the problem here that he just wants sex and you're looking for companionship? He looks a bit like a player. Try this style of chart: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum36/HTML/000431.html IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted April 18, 2015 11:21 PM
I reposted it with the degrees. is that correct?I'm not looking for a relationship which is why I thought 5th house?. its been mainly physical with friendship and creative work together. we haven't had sex yet. I gathered he likes to play around so it would never be a relationship. but apparently we have deep emotional karmic issues to resolve (according to aubyanne).
Are you able to expand on what you see? I want to learn! you think he is interested in just sex or a friendship too? and does he want to see me? maybe it only works if i only stick to my original question though lol  IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted April 19, 2015 01:01 AM
I want to understand how you can tell who wants what more. Is it only because her significator is in the 11th house of hopes and dreams?IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted April 19, 2015 07:29 AM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I want to understand how you can tell who wants what more. Is it only because her significator is in the 11th house of hopes and dreams?
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EmGem
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posted April 19, 2015 06:20 PM
bump please  also not sure why but i deleted the chart settings and tried again. followed the instructions on how to create the chart exactly but it still doesn't come up with the degrees on the actual chart?! IP: Logged |
appleberry
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posted April 19, 2015 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I want to understand how you can tell who wants what more. Is it only because her significator is in the 11th house of hopes and dreams?
Planetary Speed of the significator implies the motivation (of the individual the significator describes) towards a positive perfection of the aspect with regards to the question. So, if the question is "Will I marry him?" and she is represented by Jupiter, and he is represented by Mercury, then we say that (in general) he is actually more interested in marrying her than she is in marrying him. Other things may alter that if you look deeper, however. Ex. Stationary aspects, house placement, etc... This might explain a bit more: http://starlightknightastrology.com/2009/08/do-it-yourself-love-horary-the-basics/ IP: Logged |
appleberry
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posted April 19, 2015 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by EmGem:
bump please also not sure why but i deleted the chart settings and tried again. followed the instructions on how to create the chart exactly but it still doesn't come up with the degrees on the actual chart?!
That's okay... just degrees in the legend is enough. IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted April 19, 2015 08:21 PM
So, I assume that the answer to my "Will I see him again"? question is yes but there will be obstacles?
If so, what sorts of obstacles can be seen here?Another question, where in the chart is he a 'player'? Just trying to get my head around this IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted April 19, 2015 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by appleberry:
Planetary Speed of the significator implies the motivation (of the individual the significator describes) towards a positive perfection of the aspect with regards to the question. So, if the question is "Will I marry him?" and she is represented by Jupiter, and he is represented by Mercury, then we say that (in general) he is actually more interested in marrying her than she is in marrying him. Other things may alter that if you look deeper, however. Ex. Stationary aspects, house placement, etc...
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appleberry
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posted April 19, 2015 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by EmGem:
I reposted it with the degrees. is that correct?I'm not looking for a relationship which is why I thought 5th house?. its been mainly physical with friendship and creative work together. we haven't had sex yet. I gathered he likes to play around so it would never be a relationship. but apparently we have deep emotional karmic issues to resolve (according to aubyanne).
Are you able to expand on what you see? I want to learn! you think he is interested in just sex or a friendship too? and does he want to see me? maybe it only works if i only stick to my original question though lol
I see... Okay... probably it is a 5th house then... but I'm still confused when you say 'physical'... but if it hasn't been consummated, I suppose it would remain as a 5th house then. I'll have another look, but you disregard the other post then, since it uses the 7th house instead of the 5th. IP: Logged |
appleberry
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posted April 19, 2015 09:15 PM
The aspect isn't a major aspect and the minors are usually disregarded in Horary, even if they are applying... However, you have mutual reception (really good - means you both welcome each other), the Moon is super strong in Taurus, and if he's in fact Venus, he's conjunct the AC which is another good sign (I'd say it means he wants to be near you). He's in the 12th (his 8th - possibly sexual), so he possibly is secretly interested in you as well. Most of this is going on in the house of friendship, so likely it will just be as friends...(But there is a trine to Pluto later on... so who knows!) You also have POF in the 1st which is beneficial. Overall, I'd say you have good reason to think you will see him again. But, we will have to see how this works out because it's not a major aspect. I think the mutual reception will play a big part in this though, and override the minor (albeit positive and applying) aspect. IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted April 19, 2015 10:17 PM
thanks appleberry it hasn't been consumated. So when I say 'physical it's more that we have kissed etc when we have seen one another. We get on great as friends too, shared lots of stories. We've hung out and also I photographed him for his portfolio. The sexual energy is pretty intense. There's lots of flirting in between with sexual innuendos. He said he's never had to control himself so much with someone and that he generally likes to wait. this confused me. So no sex yet. If we use the 5th does he still look like a player? Because i wondered about whether he was. he loves to flirt lol.
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appleberry
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posted April 19, 2015 11:23 PM
Well, it's a good question because it was difficult to determine... but now it's more clear - you just stated that back and forth "where is this heading" dynamic quality of the 5th house that makes it more clear. I don't actually see what I saw of the 7th house regarding him being a player, but I'm not saying he's definitely not a player either- I just don't see it. But, I do trust that he's truthful about being into you. Not sure why he's holding back, but that feels like it has a 12th house quality as well. I wonder what the secrecy is about...? He does separate from SaturnRx which is the lord of his 4th/5th, so perhaps he had issues with a previous fling ending badly and that's what he's trying to prevent this time. Not sure. IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted April 20, 2015 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by appleberry:
Well, it's a good question because it was difficult to determine... but now it's more clear - you just stated that back and forth "where is this heading" dynamic quality of the 5th house that makes it more clear. I don't actually see what I saw of the 7th house regarding him being a player, but I'm not saying he's definitely not a player either- I just don't see it. But, I do trust that he's truthful about being into you. Not sure why he's holding back, but that feels like it has a 12th house quality as well. I wonder what the secrecy is about...? He does separate from SaturnRx which is the lord of his 4th/5th, so perhaps he had issues with a previous fling ending badly and that's what he's trying to prevent this time. Not sure.
wow i'm totally in awe of you appleberry! it's very very interesting because as it happens he has sun, venus and mercury in the 12th natally! I'm getting shivers!
His ex gf was murdered just over 2 years ago so it could be something to do with that...she was a gemini like me. Would the Saturn Rx possibly imply this??
Or perhaps there's someone else hanging around. I can feel how into me he is when we're together but yes the come and go thing is very apparent too. We have 5th uranus opposite venus in the composite. IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted April 21, 2015 03:15 AM
Just out of interest appleberry or others, does an horary point to the energy that is around 'now' or what 'could' be in the next 6 months??IP: Logged |
appleberry
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posted April 21, 2015 02:32 PM
^ Separations talk about the past, applications talk about the future, and point 0 is now. Reception, sign and house placement is also a way of understanding the now. IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted May 06, 2015 11:15 PM
update!We saw each other last night. So that's almost 3 weeks since i asked the question and also good to see the minor aspect actually led to a positive answer. Although perhaps it was more so the mutual reception. There is definitely a strong friendship/soulful connection between us, but with sex.
Interested to know if timing shows up in the chart i cast?
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appleberry
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posted May 07, 2015 03:42 PM
Good to know it worked out. Timing... I'm still working on that one, so thanks for the feedback on that one. Based on the rules, I cannot see... I depend on the moon primarily for timing...7˚ applying to Mercury... (13 hrs to perfect in real-time)... I've had several charts where the timing worked out to 3.5 units, and the perfection was 7˚... It might be somehow related to the way that the moon moves through the constellations... The moon takes approximately 2+ days to finish a constellation... So, it almost seems like each degree the moon moves, should be halved for real-time estimates. The timing is Fixed/Succedent=Years(Months)... so this should work out as 7 (or 3.5?) Months or Years... So... it doesn't really work out to what has happened in reality. The only other rational I can think of at the moment is that Mercury and the Moon are both extremely fast moving... so perhaps that has sped things up significantly? This is why I don't trust timing just using the rules... they tend to be off and I can't see that anyone has an explanation for it.
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