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Topic: Thoughts?
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Desiring Shadows Knowflake Posts: 4429 From: USA ! Registered: Jan 2012
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posted August 22, 2018 03:04 AM
How long have you been studying vedic? LolIP: Logged |
Desiring Shadows Knowflake Posts: 4429 From: USA ! Registered: Jan 2012
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posted August 22, 2018 03:07 AM
It’s plain as day to me and yet the entire world believes the wrong system. If I can show a few vedic believers and let them feel confident in their choices I would sleep better at night IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 103697 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 26, 2018 12:12 PM
Confidence!IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 5445 From: saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted August 27, 2018 05:42 AM
I know it's the right system. A planet should not be read in isolation though, nor an aspect. I've noticed the Chart Ruler ( the dispositor of the Ascendant) has a huge say on the general life of a person more than any other planets. The Sun is the life force of the chart, THE source of energy. How strong will the source be depends on the nakshatra in which the sun is located, the sign, the house etc whether the sun will be supportive to the native to achieve all his or her dreams and desires. The moon is however even more important that the sun in vedic, because the chart itself is based from the position of the moon. We can cast a chart and predict life events by considering the moon sign as the ascendant sign, the whole chart will be readable and will provide amazing accurate predictions it represents the life force that's 'bright and shining' within us, the force that resides in us. The moon rasi has a huge importance in Vedic, there are people I know who celebrate 2 birthdays, one on the calendar day they were born and a second birthday when the moon enters the sign they were born. IP: Logged |
Desiring Shadows Knowflake Posts: 4429 From: USA ! Registered: Jan 2012
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posted August 27, 2018 08:10 PM
Wow, two birthdays, how about that! I might just jump on that bandwagon LOLIP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 103697 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 15, 2018 09:35 PM
quote: Originally posted by Desiring Shadows: Wow, two birthdays, how about that! I might just jump on that bandwagon LOL
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 103697 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 16, 2018 02:37 PM
You make a great point!IP: Logged |
mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 10513 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted October 27, 2018 08:40 AM
*bumping* to say Hello. Haven't seen you in a while, and I noticed. Maybe you're taking a break? That's good. Enjoy.Hope you are doing well... IP: Logged |
Dumuzi Knowflake Posts: 285 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted October 27, 2018 09:49 AM
i've been studying vedic for about a year at this pointfrom what i can tell there isn't a system that's better than the other, they both work and you can get the same person from each it's like using multiple forms of divination autowriting, tarot, runes, iching, astrology,pendulums etc when you do all of them one after another you get the same reading the only thing that matters is finding which system you connect with i met a chinese astrologer who was able to read the same things in my chart using his system as i can find in my chart in both western and vedic also sometimes vedic falls short or western does and knowing both systems helps you paint a much bigger picture so really it's whatever works for you it all ends up the same way anyway and it should anyway or none of it would matter IP: Logged |
Somna7H Knowflake Posts: 624 From: East India Company Registered: Apr 2018
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posted October 27, 2018 09:58 AM
Only read few books. Only on Predictive part but can't do manual calculations. But I always use my Intuition Power or 6th Sence. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 103697 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 28, 2018 05:53 PM
quote: Originally posted by Dumuzi: i've been studying vedic for about a year at this pointfrom what i can tell there isn't a system that's better than the other, they both work and you can get the same person from each it's like using multiple forms of divination autowriting, tarot, runes, iching, astrology,pendulums etc when you do all of them one after another you get the same reading the only thing that matters is finding which system you connect with i met a chinese astrologer who was able to read the same things in my chart using his system as i can find in my chart in both western and vedic also sometimes vedic falls short or western does and knowing both systems helps you paint a much bigger picture so really it's whatever works for you it all ends up the same way anyway and it should anyway or none of it would matter
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anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 6552 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted October 28, 2018 10:18 PM
I don't think all systems work, in my eyes it is usually said just not to upset anyone. That's like accepting 2+2=4 in one system and 2+2=5 in another. That said, it is very difficult to decide the right system, because all systems would have some explanations for everything. I think astrology these days has turned into just a half-psychological/(half-hypothetical??) theory full of self-invented mumbo-jumbo which has an explanation for everything be it a bunch of trines and squares or be it some asteroid Lie conjunct Sun. Or maybe that was the case even in previous times, who knows?? can't be sure they are telling the truth unless one reasearches a lot ofcourse but unless one really wants to know the truth which might be bitter, who has time for that eh ? Not me trolol, atleast not much.That said, ya if it helps you, great, but if you wanna verify the truth or shall we call it accuracy of it, no thats not the way out. IP: Logged |
Dumuzi Knowflake Posts: 285 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted October 29, 2018 09:47 AM
quote: Originally posted by anonymidarkness: I don't think all systems work, in my eyes it is usually said just not to upset anyone. That's like accepting 2+2=4 in one system and 2+2=5 in another. That said, it is very difficult to decide the right system, because all systems would have some explanations for everything. I think astrology these days has turned into just a half-psychological/(half-hypothetical??) theory full of self-invented mumbo-jumbo which has an explanation for everything be it a bunch of trines and squares or be it some asteroid Lie conjunct Sun. Or maybe that was the case even in previous times, who knows?? can't be sure they are telling the truth unless one reasearches a lot ofcourse but unless one really wants to know the truth which might be bitter, who has time for that eh ? Not me trolol, atleast not much.That said, ya if it helps you, great, but if you wanna verify the truth or shall we call it accuracy of it, no thats not the way out.
i've been able to read a vedic chart and a western one and see the same person and make the same predictions etc again it's no different than using tarot or runes if you pull cards and you draw runes you'll get the same reading (or at least you should) any form of divination you use to ask the same question should give you the same result this is true of multiple systems of astrology, runes, tarot, iching etc the differences are largely just cultural but the idea remains the same that we're influenced by things at the time of our birth i'm not saying "2+2=5" at all, and this isn't that simplistic funny that you used math though because anyone who gets past "2+2=4" knows that there are multiple ways to get the same answer to an equation x will have the same value regardless of how you solve for it, but that doesnt mean there's only one way to do it likewise you can get to x regardless of system because it's just a different way of figuring them out not a different person i personally dont use very many asteroids, but if people are able to find patterns in them and grasp them i see no reason why not everything is connected, everything has meaning, and there's no single way of getting anywhere or doing anything that works because it isn't as simplistic as "2+2=4" (and neither is math) edit: btw "truth" is determined by results isnt it? if someone finds something that works every time for them however nonsensical it might be to someone else the truth would be that it worked regardless if i get the same result using 2 systems how is one system more legit in your eyes? unnecessary limitations impede growth also any good vedic astrologer would read my chart and get the same result as any good western one, and i dont doubt that at all IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 6552 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted October 29, 2018 12:03 PM
^ If you are a Water sign in Western, how can you be an Air sign in Vedic? If you are ruled by Neptune in Western, how can you be ruled by Saturn in Vedic? No matter how good the astrologer is, there is a vast difference between those two. Personally I have 60% Water in Western and 0% Water in Vedic.And how can you get same result using two different systems? As far as I know the interpretations will be different. I am not talking about how useful either of them might be to the individual( yeah even water can be used as a medicine for a person), I am comparing their validity. IP: Logged |
Dumuzi Knowflake Posts: 285 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted October 29, 2018 12:44 PM
quote: Originally posted by anonymidarkness: ^ If you are a Water sign in Western, how can you be an Air sign in Vedic? If you are ruled by Neptune in Western, how can you be ruled by Saturn in Vedic? No matter how good the astrologer is, there is a vast difference between those two. Personally I have 60% Water in Western and 0% Water in Vedic.And how can you get same result using two different systems? As far as I know the interpretations will be different. I am not talking about how useful either of them might be to the individual( yeah even water can be used as a medicine for a person), I am comparing their validity.
you're placing too much value on the sign something is in rather than the entire chart all the things that matter about a person and important life events can be divined using either system even the details, what i've noticed is there's a balance between the charts when read as a whole that doesnt negate anything just solidifies it someone on lindaland was able to correctly guess a lot of my tropical placements by talking to me, and the ones she wasnt confident about her potential guesses were still on point even things like placidus houses which im not a fan of can be useful for divination i think you see the systems as things that work against each other, when they really don't you might get different minor details, but the big picture, what counts should be there still my interests, my issues etc theyre in both charts plain as day i dont see why i have to pretend theyre not just because people cling to the idea that if theres more than one way of doing something one of them must be "right" edit: to put it in terms you might appreciate 2+2 never equals 5, but 1+3=4 even though 1 and 3 are never 2 and 2+2 also equals 4 IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 5445 From: saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted October 30, 2018 07:47 AM
quote: Originally posted by anonymidarkness: ^ If you are a Water sign in Western, how can you be an Air sign in Vedic? If you are ruled by Neptune in Western, how can you be ruled by Saturn in Vedic? No matter how good the astrologer is, there is a vast difference between those two. Personally I have 60% Water in Western and 0% Water in Vedic.And how can you get same result using two different systems? As far as I know the interpretations will be different. I am not talking about how useful either of them might be to the individual( yeah even water can be used as a medicine for a person), I am comparing their validity.
Hey anomy! how are you doing??? true, the interpretations are different but the end result has to be the same since the person doesn't change no matter what system you use. But I think I get what you are trying to say, there is indeed a lot of mumbo jumbo, beating around the bush stuff that goes around with lots of explanation and yet nothing concrete. A person who is going through hard times for instance just want to know when things are going to get better instead of being given a lesson on astrology. That's why I believe that Vedic astrology is more than a system, it is intricately linked with religious faiths, it's part and parcel of everything that hindus DO. It is deeply spiritual whatever you want to call it, that's one main thing that differentiate it from western astrology that I personally fully endorsed although I don't make my life choices revolve around astrology. Like why do I love eating chocolates but prefer almond flavoured ice cream and try to link it to astrology. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 6552 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted October 30, 2018 10:47 PM
quote: Originally posted by Jessica2407: Hey anomy! how are you doing???true, the interpretations are different but the end result has to be the same since the person doesn't change no matter what system you use. But I think I get what you are trying to say, there is indeed a lot of mumbo jumbo, beating around the bush stuff that goes around with lots of explanation and yet nothing concrete. A person who is going through hard times for instance just want to know when things are going to get better instead of being given a lesson on astrology. That's why I believe that Vedic astrology is more than a system, it is intricately linked with religious faiths, it's part and parcel of everything that hindus DO. It is deeply spiritual whatever you want to call it, that's one main thing that differentiate it from western astrology that I personally fully endorsed although I don't make my life choices revolve around astrology. Like why do I love eating chocolates but prefer almond flavoured ice cream and try to link it to astrology.
Hey Jess! Whatsupp How are you doing ? I've been a bit sick lately, just waiting for it to pass. Um yes, I agree that Vedic has been very much included into a part of life compared to Western, but then again Western was very much ostracized in the past in the West so it may take quite some time for it get included I guess or at least accepted widely. I think most people who delve into astrology stumble across this phase where they analyze everything from an astrological point of view, for some the phase might pass quickly, for some it might take quite a while. Personally I think I've kinda moved on from astrology but I still do take its help sometimes. I don't really make my life choices revolve around astrology either, for me it would kill the thrill of life really if I know most things about the event or an individual at an intellectual/astrological level before I actually experience them/it but sometimes maps are helpful certainly, and I'm at a point where I might need some maps or maybe not. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 5445 From: saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted October 31, 2018 06:44 AM
^ Yup I can relate.I've transited through multiple phases too, at some point I set aside Vedic Astrology, I mean I stopped caring about which planet was transiting which houses, that's the time when I started messing around with tarot cards the most I remember, then I stopped doing that too lol, I mean the tarot almost always tell you what you already know or what you could easily guess.but one thing that never changed was me I guess, what I truly believed in whether in the choices I've made or the path that my life is headed towards. Astrology can't make life better for you only you can do that, that's my motto. BTW I'm good, just tired, I'm looking forward to this week end, I'll be on 2 days leave after that to celebrate divali! Yay! The festival of lights and lots of goodies to binge on. IP: Logged |
mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 10513 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted October 31, 2018 08:50 AM
quote: Originally posted by Jessica2407: The moon rasi has a huge importance in Vedic, there are people I know who celebrate 2 birthdays, one on the calendar day they were born and a second birthday when the moon enters the sign they were born.
Cool!! Then that would mean we get to celebrate birthdays once a MONTH?! IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 103697 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 31, 2018 02:30 PM
I'm sold! More cake!IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 6552 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted November 01, 2018 11:26 PM
quote: Originally posted by Jessica2407: ^ Yup I can relate.I've transited through multiple phases too, at some point I set aside Vedic Astrology, I mean I stopped caring about which planet was transiting which houses, that's the time when I started messing around with tarot cards the most I remember, then I stopped doing that too lol, I mean the tarot almost always tell you what you already know or what you could easily guess.but one thing that never changed was me I guess, what I truly believed in whether in the choices I've made or the path that my life is headed towards. Astrology can't make life better for you only you can do that, that's my motto. BTW I'm good, just tired, I'm looking forward to this week end, I'll be on 2 days leave after that to celebrate divali! Yay! The festival of lights and lots of goodies to binge on.
Lol I need some holidays too, been busy as hell lately, and someone needs to splash a bucket of humour on me, I've been doing Vipassana meditation lately and the world has never looked so depressing to me lol. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 5445 From: saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted November 09, 2018 12:24 AM
quote: Originally posted by anonymidarkness: Lol I need some holidays too, been busy as hell lately, and someone needs to splash a bucket of humour on me, I've been doing Vipassana meditation lately and the world has never looked so depressing to me lol.
Sorry was really busy with the celebrations. How's going so far? Vipassana I mean? does it help? I have to get back to meditation too, I keep putting it off. I need to manage my stress and build up mental strength! On a different note, it can't rain forever though right anony? Nothing is permanent in life. IP: Logged |
mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 10513 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted November 09, 2018 08:18 AM
Sending you both {and all here} good wishes in honor of Diwali - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diwali#Religious_significance quote from the prayer--- From untruth lead us to Truth. From darkness lead us to Light. From death lead us to Immortality. Om Peace, Peace, Peace. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 6552 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted November 09, 2018 09:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by Jessica2407: Sorry was really busy with the celebrations.How's going so far? Vipassana I mean? does it help? I have to get back to meditation too, I keep putting it off. I need to manage my stress and build up mental strength! On a different note, it can't rain forever though right anony? Nothing is permanent in life.
How did the celebrations go? Hmm it turned out to be just a side-effect of vipassana, ....yeah it does help, I got injured(guess where lol) a while back and I was experiencing constant pain..but while I'm doing Vipassana I can't even feel it much....it's like I'm so far away from it, like there is a distance between me and the body. Ya it doesn't rain forever...hahaha I have been thinking the same thing these days...nothing is permanent IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 5445 From: saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted November 16, 2018 12:27 AM
Celebrations went on fine But still very busy with lots of things happening in life at the same time.Hope it gets better for you anony. IP: Logged | |