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Topic: Jupiter transiting 7th house ruler and Ketu
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Valmu83 Knowflake Posts: 1436 From: Europe Registered: Dec 2014
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posted September 04, 2018 04:58 PM
I heard from Vedic Astrologer that in this fall my 7th house lord Jupiter will be conjuncting its natal position in Scorpio. But apparently in my natal chart, Ketu is behind the Jupiter. And Jupiter will be hitting Ketu after Jupiter. Last time this transit occured (2007) I started new school after many years of rejection letters from universities. Whole autumn felt like honeymoon. That is actually how I described it at the time. It was only closer to the christmas that this feeling faded out and at the time I had first symptoms of work exhaustion. At the time of mid 2008 I was burned out. And also if I’m correct this was the autumn when I fell in love with married man. I didn’t know he was married and this lead one of the most humiliating experiences in my life. That has had long consequences the way I approach love. Many bad experiences before that and also after. I feel always when there is possibility for love for me the door is literally closed in front of me. I’m wondering is this ahead this time too? And is this position of Ketu always going to ruin 7th house things for me? And what would be my best possibility to succeed in love and have a family? Would it be rational marriage without feelings or what? I don’t mean arranged marriage as it’s not the way in my culture. But I seriously would like to know my possibilities and if there is non. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 105649 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 10, 2018 03:03 PM
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Valmu83 Knowflake Posts: 1436 From: Europe Registered: Dec 2014
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posted September 17, 2018 08:08 AM
Thank you Randall Any opinions? IP: Logged |
mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 10820 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted September 17, 2018 12:18 PM
Wow... I'm sorry you had that disappointment. You were being deceived and manipulated in Love (H5). In the "real world" that can cause a person so such pain, and takes time to heal. Somehow, it takes away a piece of your confidence in self, leaving a void. The affairs of the heart are a body and emotional investment you make. Personally, it is NEVER a good thing to become the source of interfere in someone else's marriage contract-- wittingly or by deceit! Back out of that kind of energetic negative (karma inducing?) situation. Engage self in 'cleansing' rituals (energetically) from that. When you swap fluids, you made a Bond. Energetically-- reclaim yourself. In Western astrology, with Venus in Scorpio about to turn retrograde, I've "heard" that there are going to be karmic-temptations that come, that you might 'fall for' and not realize (see, be able to correctly assess) the consequences of those sudden-attractions .. until it clears near end of November?? News like that always makes ME nervous. I've chosen partners and invested in people who ended up 'not' as they represented themselves to be. .. I am leery?, and... maybe, overly so? .. I KNOW what it's like to have your heart committed then torn-apart by someone who did not really have my mutual best-interest in their minds. I am a very deeply committed person in relationships. I've barely dipped my toes in the Vedic sea of information-- which is V A S T.
But one of the things I hear about the influences of Rahu and Ketu, is that their meanings are reversed when you move between the western or eastern approaches. Rahu has potential for a more negative meaning and impact, in Vedic. Very strong, overly ambitious aggressive. Ketu brings a more favorable influence? More spiritual in its hunger. Both are related to 'appetites' and the management and balancing of desires. I hope your Vedic Ketu and Jupiter will bring you wonderful Adventures in the future. hmmm... 3rd house. Maybe an old cousin, elder sibling, people connected through your 'maternal-grandparents'; someone you took classes with in school will make a connection for you? Maybe?? sign up for singing in a choir, or taking an astronomy class. Join a debate club. If herbs and gardening interest you try it. Horses (training, riding) come under it too (Moola). Anyways! LOL … I have sooo much studying to do-- and, it's sooo interesting, isn't it? I hope your exhaustion will cease, and that someone (or a group) comes into your life to re-spark and inspire Hope in a very "real" way for you. I'll keep track of this thread to see what kind of input others will give you.
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Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 5475 From: saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted September 18, 2018 07:10 AM
When you are looking at planetary transits, you shouldn't focus on only one planet as much as you shouldn't focus on a solitary planetary aspect to predict events.whatever happened to you during the previous Jupiter transit doesn't mean will happen to you again whenever Jupiter enters the sign of Scorpio. Transits are catalysts that become effective when there are favourable or unfavourable dashas running. A Mahadasha of say Saturn will bring the focus on the houses which Saturn rules and is occupying respectively, AND also the planets that are located in nakshatras that are ruled by saturn and of course the houses in which they are positioned will be highlighted. I don't understand when you said Ketu is behind Jupiter though and why would ketu ruin 7th house things?? An exalted Saturn in the sign of Libra is known to give many lessons in romantic relationships, as long as you take morally correct decisions your Saturn will be happy. You also have an exalted Mercury in the sign of Virgo, the lagnadhipathi is well placed, signifies you are in a relatively strong position in whatever life throws at you, you will be able to see things through and remain strong. You also have a domiciled Sun in the 12th house, that is something that you have to learn to master as you grow older. A combust Venus may be another reason why relationships and other related matters come with lots of struggles being in the 12th house, you are drawn into secretive relationships with men that could be older than you or even younger than you. A debilitated Mars could become a problem sometimes with respect to how you approach conflicts or how quick you take decisions, it can make you into a manipulative person since emotions are constantly running high. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 105649 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 19, 2018 03:40 PM
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Asterkind Knowflake Posts: 122 From: Registered: Dec 2017
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posted September 22, 2018 10:43 AM
quote: Originally posted by Jessica2407: When you are looking at planetary transits, you shouldn't focus on only one planet as much as you shouldn't focus on a solitary planetary aspect to predict events.whatever happened to you during the previous Jupiter transit doesn't mean will happen to you again whenever Jupiter enters the sign of Scorpio. Transits are catalysts that become effective when there are favourable or unfavourable dashas running. A Mahadasha of say Saturn will bring the focus on the houses which Saturn rules and is occupying respectively, AND also the planets that are located in nakshatras that are ruled by saturn and of course the houses in which they are positioned will be highlighted. I don't understand when you said Ketu is behind Jupiter though and why would ketu ruin 7th house things?? An exalted Saturn in the sign of Libra is known to give many lessons in romantic relationships, as long as you take morally correct decisions your Saturn will be happy. You also have an exalted Mercury in the sign of Virgo, the lagnadhipathi is well placed, signifies you are in a relatively strong position in whatever life throws at you, you will be able to see things through and remain strong. You also have a domiciled Sun in the 12th house, that is something that you have to learn to master as you grow older. A combust Venus may be another reason why relationships and other related matters come with lots of struggles being in the 12th house, you are drawn into secretive relationships with men that could be older than you or even younger than you. A debilitated Mars could become a problem sometimes with respect to how you approach conflicts or how quick you take decisions, it can make you into a manipulative person since emotions are constantly running high.
Jessica, 1. does a combust venus always mean relationship trouble? 2. what if its also in own house in navamsa? 3. also if it say atmakaraka and is also combust? IP: Logged |
mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 10820 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted September 22, 2018 03:40 PM
I like what Jessica said-- that 'just because it happened before' doesn't mean that the exact same thing will occur again.From what you said 'happened before' when tJupiter arrived at Ketu, and what exhilaration you had, and the sense of productivity and belonging? Then 3 or 4 months later, you were experiencing exhaustion? Perhaps (my thoughts) Rahu and Ketu, both of them, act as types of 'boosters' (if you think of hunger-energy as amplifying). And like When you are well-caffeinated you can work (or study) for hours longer, the effects wear off, the nodes in transit move on. Remind yourself, when the 'boost' comes, that you're going to need to pay more attention to self-care. Keep in mind you're a human being (not a human doing??? LOL). My human opinion-- Venus-retrograde .. maybe she has a hard time knowing her true value, her true Beauty and worth, thus making it easier to believe predators who are attracted easily to her? P.S. You must be gorgeous, Valmu! I bet you're a 'catch' and look dazzling on a man's arm!!!! Let Love "find" you, and 'prove' its deep worth over time. Protect your dear Heart. (humor) AND!!! ~~~~ get his chart data. If he refuses to comply, and agree to a 'criminal background check', then HE isn't WORTHY of you.!!! *gurl-snap* ________________ I attended an online group where the instructor was teaching on "Testimony" (Planets casting rays, and 'Translation of Light'; and Like-Engirding). It parallels some of the Vedic materials on strength of planets and their relationships to each other. WOW!! .. That was an interesting class. I was famished for something brand new to learn. .. Sooo cool. Can't wait for the days when all the little pieces will coalesce. Have a nice weekend, everyone! IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 105649 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 23, 2018 01:11 PM
Well-said, mirage.IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 5475 From: saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted September 24, 2018 02:26 AM
Jessica, 1. does a combust venus always mean relationship trouble? 2. what if its also in own house in navamsa? 3. also if it say atmakaraka and is also combust?Well most of the times,yes.It doesn't matter if it is in its own house in navamsa. But it doesn't mean the person is doomed for life, you could get in a steady and most loving relationship after having overcome past relationship struggles, it would largely depend on other aspects in both the natal and navamsha charts. It could indicate struggles or delay ( if aspected by saturn) to find the right person , it could mean getting in a relationship when very young and struggling to find your identity. When I say struggles they could come in different ways but yes a combust venus means relationship issues since Venus is the natural 7th house ruler. Most specifically though Venus is the general spouse Karaka for men, whereas Jupiter is the general karaka for females. But each chart will have their chara (moveable) karakas as opposed to the sthira (fixed) karakas. For instance the spouse karaka for the person whose chart you posted has Saturn as his spouse karaka. I didn't quite understand the last question. do you mean if venus is the atmakaraka and is combust? well even if Venus is combust it will remain the most prominent/important planet in the person's chart, it's just that the person will constantly have to deal with venus-related life issues until the lessons have been learned or until the karmic debts have been completed and since it is the atmakaraka it could be throughout the span of this life until the moment the person becomes at peace with what it really means for him and no longer becomes an issue for him. Combustion is not viewed the same way in vedic as is explained in western. The Sun is the natural atmakaraka, so it could mean that the person will not be able to accomplish what they are supposed to in this life without the support of others related to them , like spouse, brothers, sisters, the in-laws, the husband, everybody who is related to the native and it could be that there are conflicts between them so that the native has to overcome his ego issues. I'm just giving you an example, it could be expressed be in different ways depending on natal aspects. IP: Logged |
Valmu83 Knowflake Posts: 1436 From: Europe Registered: Dec 2014
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posted September 24, 2018 04:03 PM
quote: Originally posted by Jessica2407:
I don't understand when you said Ketu is behind Jupiter though and why would ketu ruin 7th house things??
After Jupiter hits its natal position, it will be hitting Ketu. Jupiter will be apparently retrograding on my natal Ketu for most of 2019 :/ As my current time period is Jupiter/Rahu I don't know how that will turn out to be. quote: Originally posted by Jessica2407:
An exalted Saturn in the sign of Libra is known to give many lessons in romantic relationships, as long as you take morally correct decisions your Saturn will be happy.
Too much so. I actually have had high moral values all my life but in recent years I have started realising that I always end up alone this way. Putting other people needs and happiness before my own. quote: Originally posted by Jessica2407:
You also have an exalted Mercury in the sign of Virgo, the lagnadhipathi is well placed, signifies you are in a relatively strong position in whatever life throws at you, you will be able to see things through and remain strong. You also have a domiciled Sun in the 12th house, that is something that you have to learn to master as you grow older. A combust Venus may be another reason why relationships and other related matters come with lots of struggles being in the 12th house, you are drawn into secretive relationships with men that could be older than you or even younger than you. A debilitated Mars could become a problem sometimes with respect to how you approach conflicts or how quick you take decisions, it can make you into a manipulative person since emotions are constantly running high.
Thank you for this info it was new to me What problems Sun at 12th will bring? Will the Venus related struggle become easier later in life or disappear? IP: Logged |
Valmu83 Knowflake Posts: 1436 From: Europe Registered: Dec 2014
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posted September 24, 2018 04:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by mirage29: Wow... I'm sorry you had that disappointment. You were being deceived and manipulated in Love (H5). In the "real world" that can cause a person so such pain, and takes time to heal. Somehow, it takes away a piece of your confidence in self, leaving a void. The affairs of the heart are a body and emotional investment you make. Personally, it is NEVER a good thing to become the source of interfere in someone else's marriage contract-- wittingly or by deceit! Back out of that kind of energetic negative (karma inducing?) situation. Engage self in 'cleansing' rituals (energetically) from that. When you swap fluids, you made a Bond. Energetically-- reclaim yourself. In Western astrology, with Venus in Scorpio about to turn retrograde, I've "heard" that there are going to be karmic-temptations that come, that you might 'fall for' and not realize (see, be able to correctly assess) the consequences of those sudden-attractions .. until it clears near end of November?? News like that always makes ME nervous. I've chosen partners and invested in people who ended up 'not' as they represented themselves to be. .. I am leery?, and... maybe, overly so? .. I KNOW what it's like to have your heart committed then torn-apart by someone who did not really have my mutual best-interest in their minds. I am a very deeply committed person in relationships. I've barely dipped my toes in the Vedic sea of information-- which is V A S T.
But one of the things I hear about the influences of Rahu and Ketu, is that their meanings are reversed when you move between the western or eastern approaches. Rahu has potential for a more negative meaning and impact, in Vedic. Very strong, overly ambitious aggressive. Ketu brings a more favorable influence? More spiritual in its hunger. Both are related to 'appetites' and the management and balancing of desires. I hope your Vedic Ketu and Jupiter will bring you wonderful Adventures in the future. hmmm... 3rd house. Maybe an old cousin, elder sibling, people connected through your 'maternal-grandparents'; someone you took classes with in school will make a connection for you? Maybe?? sign up for singing in a choir, or taking an astronomy class. Join a debate club. If herbs and gardening interest you try it. Horses (training, riding) come under it too (Moola). Anyways! LOL … I have sooo much studying to do-- and, it's sooo interesting, isn't it? I hope your exhaustion will cease, and that someone (or a group) comes into your life to re-spark and inspire Hope in a very "real" way for you. I'll keep track of this thread to see what kind of input others will give you.
Thank you for sharing your story and for suggestions It seems this autumn will ne busy I hope Ketu's influence would be more beneficial as you say. IP: Logged |
Valmu83 Knowflake Posts: 1436 From: Europe Registered: Dec 2014
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posted September 24, 2018 04:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by mirage29: I like what Jessica said-- that 'just because it happened before' doesn't mean that the exact same thing will occur again.From what you said 'happened before' when tJupiter arrived at Ketu, and what exhilaration you had, and the sense of productivity and belonging? Then 3 or 4 months later, you were experiencing exhaustion? Perhaps (my thoughts) Rahu and Ketu, both of them, act as types of 'boosters' (if you think of hunger-energy as amplifying). And like When you are well-caffeinated you can work (or study) for hours longer, the effects wear off, the nodes in transit move on. Remind yourself, when the 'boost' comes, that you're going to need to pay more attention to self-care. Keep in mind you're a human being (not a human doing??? LOL). My human opinion-- Venus-retrograde .. maybe she has a hard time knowing her true value, her true Beauty and worth, thus making it easier to believe predators who are attracted easily to her? P.S. You must be gorgeous, Valmu! I bet you're a 'catch' and look dazzling on a man's arm!!!! Let Love "find" you, and 'prove' its deep worth over time. Protect your dear Heart. (humor) AND!!! ~~~~ get his chart data. If he refuses to comply, [b]and agree to a 'criminal background check', then HE isn't WORTHY of you.!!! *gurl-snap* ________________ I attended an online group where the instructor was teaching on "Testimony" (Planets casting rays, and 'Translation of Light'; and Like-Engirding). It parallels some of the Vedic materials on strength of planets and their relationships to each other. WOW!! .. That was an interesting class. I was famished for something brand new to learn. .. Sooo cool. Can't wait for the days when all the little pieces will coalesce. Have a nice weekend, everyone! [/B]
Thank you Well yes I had sense of productivity and belonging Its good advice to take care of my health. I can fell already how there is too muck work piling up. But i also feel that i can manage this situation better work-wise than ten years ago. I have to be careful..especially before X-mas. Last time I almost had burn-out at that time. I'm more concerned about if I meet someone and if it will be bad experience. I really much would want to take a change. I have been disgraced publicly more than ones or there have been a threat to it. I have lost somewhat my ability to express feelings because of that. IP: Logged |
Valmu83 Knowflake Posts: 1436 From: Europe Registered: Dec 2014
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posted October 07, 2018 11:58 AM
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Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 5475 From: saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted October 08, 2018 07:27 AM
Well the Sun is the life force of a chart, it represents the soul, and the personality/ identity of the person. But it also represents the father. When the Sun is located in the 12th house the native may have to deal with an absent father for instance, or issues relating to the father, there may be also loss of the father at early age OR they could have a father who is completely detached, where the native has to deal with their own identity growing up, people having Sun in the 12th house are more tuned to questions like where do we come from? why are we here? what is my purpose in this life,etc. The 12th house effects may take time to show themselves, they are almost hidden to the native,since they go through the motions of everyday life yet they are very sensitive to the energy and emotions circulating in their home environment, so sun being in the 12th house may impose a certain solitude,an introspective kind of personality, shy or insecure to show the self to the world, personal boundaries are blurred in the sense that the native feels for everyone and is often taken advantage of, the 12th house is the house of secrets, of confinement, of misery, of expenses, of spirituality, of things that can't be explained, it also rules expenses, so you may have to deal with sudden expenses IP: Logged |
Valmu83 Knowflake Posts: 1436 From: Europe Registered: Dec 2014
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posted October 10, 2018 06:00 AM
quote: Originally posted by Jessica2407: Well the Sun is the life force of a chart, it represents the soul, and the personality/ identity of the person. But it also represents the father. When the Sun is located in the 12th house the native may have to deal with an absent father for instance, or issues relating to the father, there may be also loss of the father at early age OR they could have a father who is completely detached, where the native has to deal with their own identity growing up, people having Sun in the 12th house are more tuned to questions like where do we come from? why are we here? what is my purpose in this life,etc. The 12th house effects may take time to show themselves, they are almost hidden to the native,since they go through the motions of everyday life yet they are very sensitive to the energy and emotions circulating in their home environment, so sun being in the 12th house may impose a certain solitude,an introspective kind of personality, shy or insecure to show the self to the world, personal boundaries are blurred in the sense that the native feels for everyone and is often taken advantage of, the 12th house is the house of secrets, of confinement, of misery, of expenses, of spirituality, of things that can't be explained, it also rules expenses, so you may have to deal with sudden expenses
This was on spot. I lost my father when I was 17y old. But actually I lost her much before as he got mentally ill when I was child, around 9-10 years. He was in his own world, sometimes violent and in times in institutions getting treatment. My parents divorced eventually. It has left deep scars into me. It’s also true that I’m insecure to show myself when it comes to private feelings. That behaviour has developed during time. When younger I tried to create connections and enter relationship only to be turned away. Now I feel urge to try again but I’m scared that I will shamed by others again. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 5475 From: saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted October 11, 2018 06:24 AM
Astrology will always amaze me. But the chart ruler is strong, Mercury is in its own house. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 105649 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 12, 2018 08:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by Jessica2407: Astrology will always amaze me. But the chart ruler is strong, Mercury is in its own house.
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 105649 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 14, 2018 08:00 AM
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Valmu83 Knowflake Posts: 1436 From: Europe Registered: Dec 2014
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posted October 14, 2018 04:17 PM
Yes thank you. Its nice that there is at least something good in my chart One astrologer said I’m at my Rahu-Saturn Dasha right now and because Saturn is the 1st lord of the D-9 and Saturn is also aspecting 7th in the natal chart, I could meet someone between August-Christmas. But none of these love/spouse predictions has come true before so I’m starting to lose my belief in astrology. It’s maybe because I’m artist, all is manifesting through that in my life. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 105649 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 15, 2018 08:47 AM
quote: Originally posted by Valmu83: Yes thank you. Its nice that there is at least something good in my chart One astrologer said I’m at my Rahu-Saturn Dasha right now and because Saturn is the 1st lord of the D-9 and Saturn is also aspecting 7th in the natal chart, I could meet someone between August-Christmas. But none of these love/spouse predictions has come true before so I’m starting to lose my belief in astrology. It’s maybe because I’m artist, all is manifesting through that in my life.
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 105649 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 04, 2018 07:48 AM
Have you met someone?IP: Logged |
Valmu83 Knowflake Posts: 1436 From: Europe Registered: Dec 2014
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posted December 05, 2018 08:58 AM
Thank you for asking Randall. I haven’t. I had a crush around September and it didn’t go anywhere. That was obvious case as he was married. Then started to think if I should be together with one of my oldest friend as he is good man and we get along fine. I tried to make my intention clear but it was one-sided or something else is stopping him. Also last week my old bow took contact and I thought maybe he is trying to warm things up. But no I don’t think so anymore. What is similar in all these cases? Answer: I have tried to make my intention clear. Starting conversations, touching hand/shoulder but the other half isn’t interested enough. I don’t know what’s the problem here. IP: Logged |
mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 10820 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted December 05, 2018 03:56 PM
Be Patient... There are changes going on transit-wise right now.What you said about your old bow (beau) calling on you is part of the energies. People were attracting (or getting back in touch with old) Karmic relationships. (See that?? tsk. You're doing your astrology without realizing it?? ..) Hey, Good for you for saying NO. There are some 'changes' going on right now (with retrogrades, and, mundane changes of planets to new nakshatras). I saw a comment someone made in another forum. They said "Rejection for Protection" .. Trust that the right chemistry will be there, WITH the right person. ______________ Adding copy of western natal chart you left in Astrology2.0 Sun. Jan 6, 2019 - http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/240303.html IP: Logged |
Valmu83 Knowflake Posts: 1436 From: Europe Registered: Dec 2014
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posted December 05, 2018 05:37 PM
quote: Originally posted by mirage29: Be Patient... There are changes going on transit-wise right now.What you said about your old bow (beau) calling on you is part of the energies. People were attracting (or getting back in touch with old) Karmic relationships. (See that?? tsk. You're doing your astrology without realizing it?? ..) Hey, Good for you for saying NO. There are some 'changes' going on right now (with retrogrades, and, mundane changes of planets to new nakshatras). I saw a comment someone made in another forum. They said "Rejection for Protection" .. Trust that the right chemistry will be there, WITH the right person.
Yes maybe this latest thing its doing of Mercury rx. I don’t know if Vedic astrology recognise that? I wasn’t the one saying no. I let it be after trying to show I’m available. As there was no effort from other part. I know you are right about chemistry with the right person. I’m my life I haven’t met anyone so far who would have wanted to date me..when I wanted that too. I want to have family, I’m 35y. That’s why I’m asking here (Vedic forum) this question but so far it seems astrology can’t predict accurately a thing for me.
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