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Topic: Do We Need To Reform Our Schools?
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 16464 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted May 25, 2001 02:18 AM
May all the Scurvy Elephants rejoice in the knowledge that Truth eventually wins out EVERY TIME!  ------------------ "The ancestor to every action is a thought." EMERSON IP: Logged |
chronicprincess Knowflake Posts: 3080 From: Earth Registered: May 2001
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posted May 27, 2001 05:25 AM
Oh man, Randall... God bless you for this little forum... the threads in here are ones i feel passionately about...All of the postings here I feel have a good measure of merit, but in my opinion, I must just say this: <~~~~ what he said!!!! YES! from the brain cramp boring textbooks (if there are any) with interesting subjects turned so dry they become a chore to even read, full of mostly worthless information to the PATHETIC war waged on the american public by the medical and pharmacudical industries...  And, uh.. er.. duh, creative, bright kids can't pay attention in school!" - they have been made to conform, as Randall says, and art, and star signs do not conform! They are prohibited from expression and near void of inspiration. Yes Montessori... Yes Private School... Yes interview your second gragers teacher 'first'... Yes get schools out of governments control (but not financing) ... We need to figure out how to get the pioneer teaching mentality back into the educational bloodstream, by that i mean not only much more one on one, but one (or many!) on individual needs/talents! With today's technology that is more possible now than ever before. I vote for home teaching (or shared home teaching? some kids have both parents working outside), and save the "socialization" of our children's s-elves to happen socially while contributing to, interacting with and re-creating in the community? ...just a thought  ------------------ "Not knowing how to live, he kept on living - and not knowing how to die, he went on writing... ~Tristan Corbiere, The Contumacious Poet IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 16464 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted May 27, 2001 05:31 AM
What a wonderful Post, Princess! ------------------ "The ancestor to every action is a thought." EMERSON IP: Logged |
Grasshopper Moderator Posts: 285 From: Vermont Registered: May 2001
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posted May 27, 2001 06:41 AM
I alluded to this story a little earlier ... it has so much merit, I felt it needed to be shared ... typing quickly ... all the typos are strictly mine  The Animal School, by RH Reeves. Once upon a time, the animals decided they must do something heroic to meet the problems of a "New World," so they organized a school. They adopted an acivity curriculum consisting of running, climbing, swimming and flying. To make it easier to admiinster, all animals took all the subjects. The duck was excellent in swimming, better in fact than his instructor, and made excelent grades in flying, but he was very poor in running. Since he was low in running he had to stay after school and also drop swimming to practice running. This was kept up until hes web feet were badly worn and he was only average in swimming. But average was acceptable in school, so nobody worried about that except the duck. The rabbit started at te top of the class in running, but had a nervous breakdown because of so much makeup in swimming. The squirrel was excellent in climbing until he developed frusturations in the flying class where his teacher made him start from the ground up instead of from the tree-top down. He also developed charley horses from over-exertion and he got a C in climbing and a D in running. The eagle was a problem child and had to be disciplined severely. In climbing class he beat all the others to the top of the tree, but insisted on using his own way of getting there. At the end of the year, an abnormal eel that could swim exceedingly well and also could run, climb and fly a little had the highest average and was valedictorian. The prairie dogs stayed out of school and fought the tax levy because the administration would not add digging and burrowing to the curriculum. They apprenticed their children to the badger and later joined the groundhogs and gophers to start a successful private school. IP: Logged |
Marigold Knowflake Posts: 771 From: England Registered: Apr 2001
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posted May 27, 2001 12:04 PM
Great story!  Hmm, but are private schools better? Ask my partner who had been to boarding school with corporal punishment and so on... And is that fair that private schools, which already receive money from the state as much as the state schools (at least in my country) can afford better equipment and classes with less children? No way bright kids with broke parents can go to private schools...It's selection by money. And private schools are often religious schools with reactionary values... I think it's the Government's job is to reform schools and make smaller classes, more open on the real world (I don't mean sponsorised by Mc Donald)...I guess in Europe we are a bit more 'socialist'...  IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 16464 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted May 27, 2001 03:22 PM
Now THAT'S a story, Grasshopper! Great observations, Marigold. Imn wouldn't want my children going to a religion-based school. Anywho, from numerous quotes I have read from famous figures throughout herstory, schools have always been awful. We may have better facilities today, but when you look at the curriculum and add to that the ADD hoax, today's schools are just as bad as the middle ages, if not worse in some respects.  ------------------ "The ancestor to every action is a thought." EMERSON IP: Logged |
YIVY Knowflake Posts: 4747 From: Louisiana Registered: Nov 2000
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posted May 27, 2001 11:48 PM
What do you think of the new Edison Schools. It was on 60 minutes today. They are backed by corporations...who are not allowed to interfer. The schools are staring to make money for the stockholders...the kids are way above average on learning...the teachers paid well and allowed to really TEACH.The public school people are screaming it is an outrage...making money off our kids. They don't believe 'wall street' should have a hand in education. The Edison schools are free as in public, and are springing up everywhere. I didn't catch the entire article, so I am now sure of how they are making money. Did any of your see it? The guy even said that for a while if one is not making a profit they will continue to support it till it does. So far they haven't had to close any of them. I do think the government has ruined school...like the story said...average is much preferred to one student standing out in one subject. It all goes back to the asinine nonsense of POLITICALLY CORRECT...  ------------------
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 16464 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted May 27, 2001 11:51 PM
Hey, I came up with this idea long ago (not the church idea)! *sigh* The Uni-verse will always find a way...My idea centered around property tax vouchers.  ------------------ "The ancestor to every action is a thought." EMERSON IP: Logged |
chronicprincess Knowflake Posts: 3080 From: Earth Registered: May 2001
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posted May 29, 2001 05:34 AM
Agreed, Marigold, I have never condoned corporal punishment in any school, to which more than one public school administrator can attest  I think one thing that could help our school system immediately, maybe even re-inspiring our teachers, is if parents took a realist attitude about it, and participated in their children's study habits. America seems to have left the "whole" educational process up to the schools, so far as to not even be aware of assignments, homework, how their child applied themselves to it, whether or not they understand it, or what they hand in as completed work! How many parents of high school students even know what classes they are taking any given semester?  There is less than an hour devoted to an average high school class (in the US) for any given subject, with all subjects allowed the exact same amount of time. I can't imagine that is enough time to do much more than go over the previous days homework and hand out the next assignment! The "research/discovery/study" process must come from the homework <~~~ critical The idea of our public schools being run by corporations smacks of weirdness to me. But if we consider as Marigold pointed out, the better curriccular and educational exposure some private schools can offer is not within financial reach for the masses, if Edison schools are producing better educated (more inspired) children it's better than the alternatives available to most? 
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YIVY Knowflake Posts: 4747 From: Louisiana Registered: Nov 2000
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posted May 30, 2001 12:36 AM
I even find that home schooled kids do much better than public school kids despite the 'bull' handed out that they will lack social skills. The ones I know don't seem to lack them. The only thing they seem to lack is the 'rudness' or apathy of most public school kids these day.  ------------------
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 16464 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted May 30, 2001 01:20 AM
And the guns, knives, and drugs (illegal AND school-peddled brands).  ------------------ "The ancestor to every action is a thought." EMERSON IP: Logged |
Grasshopper Moderator Posts: 285 From: Vermont Registered: May 2001
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posted May 30, 2001 05:48 AM
Just a word of caution ... I think homeschooling is great. I have three lil elfs who are going to get the homeschooled treatment. But the reason should never be social ... but rather educational in nature.Homeschooled kids don't suffer from lack of social skills. How can they? They get a chance to speak with so many people under the guidance of parents or tutors. But to say that the the classically schooled kids are a bunch of upstarts with guns and knives and ... well ... all the rest ... is a misrepresentation. Those are caused by other problems that start outside the school and filter in. Impressionable young elfs are rich soil for so many social ills, and I will grant that the cluster of them gathered around in a school system seems to amplify these struggles. But the cause? No. IP: Logged |
chronicprincess Knowflake Posts: 3080 From: Earth Registered: May 2001
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posted May 30, 2001 01:17 PM
YIVY~ I see we agree on home-schooling. Yeah, the tribe should teach the children... they would be exposed to and recieve much more than remedial learning. And how soulisfying for the parent(s) if they are involved to such an extent.. and my goodness, the "quality" time spent would just be immeasureable on so many levels at once, probably eliminating the guns, knives, and crank/crack/smack which can be bought with lunch money ... and what's up with that junk they call food offered our kids in school? My kids wouldn't eat it (spoiled, or smart? both!) and took their lunches - until high school, of course, when they could "drive" straight to taco bell for lunch  Grasshopper~ Yes, it's the few in the apple cart that spoil it for the rest of the bunch, and you are right, society produced the gun toting, smack and crack drugged children, not the schools. All the more reason for home-schooling, I think, for the reasons stated above - not to mention saving our children (and ultimately oursElves?) from being exploited by big buSINess for profit. Although, as I stated earlier here, Edison schools may be a better option than what is in place now, and most easily implented (?) I don't believe it's the *best* choice. Now we are trading the concept of *giving* corporate profits to schools in exchange for corporations *earning* profits from schools? I know some corporations funnel some funds back into education, but not on a scale proportianate with profit margins, and how often *only* to those that already work for them, or agree to work for *them* later? I would aslo like to see the American voters insist "we say" how tax dollars are spent, especially in the areas of education and research <~~~ first project, purple plates for all elected officials>  ------------------ "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye." "What is essential is invisible to the eye," the little prince repeated, so that he would be sure to remember. ~Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, The Little Prince IP: Logged |
Mango Fruit Knowflake Posts: 7 From: Davis, California, U.S.A. Registered: Jun 2001
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posted June 15, 2001 10:03 AM
I think astrology should be incorporated into the education system. Astrology should be used to determine the strengths and weaknesses of the student. If a student's chart shows strength in artistic talent as influenced by the planets at the time of birth, a teacher or parent could easily guide the student in the right direction. So much time would be saved and it would save the student future headache and confusion. Also, the student would be guided along the way as the planets transit the planets of the natal chart. The student would also be encouraged to persist in times of trouble, usually when Saturn transits.IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 16464 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted June 15, 2001 11:04 AM
If only...Wise words, IN DEED!  ------------------ "Thus shall ye think of all this fleeting world: A star at dawn, a bubble in a stream; A flash of lightning in a summer cloud, A flickering lamp, a phantom, and a dream." The Buddha IP: Logged |
Soma Knowflake Posts: 169 From: Santa Clara CA USA Registered: Jun 2001
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posted June 15, 2001 12:10 PM
I have two children my daughter is 12 and my son is 8....completely different children..My daughter was going to what I thought was a great public school last year but it was soooo crowed. We decided to take her out and send her to a Catholic School even though we don't practice any religion. The school was much smaller and has such a wonderful atmosphere. She thrived in school this year. It's ashamed that we can't have this in public schools ...not everyone can afford to pay tuition...we are lucky.Teachers salaries should be subsidized by the state........I agree with YIVY home schooling is a wonderful option...the kids who are home schooled don't lack anything...except learning how to be rude. My son still attends public school because he could not pass the test to get into the other school....he has come a long way this year and was soo lucky to have a teacher in the public school who really loved and cared about him. The elementary school he goes to has about 300 students. One last note............the parents must be involved 110% in their children's schooling....that's the bottom line....it's a lot of work but there is no other way.
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YIVY Knowflake Posts: 4747 From: Louisiana Registered: Nov 2000
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posted June 15, 2001 01:24 PM
Here's a crazy idea. What if before you became a parent, it was a 'rule' you not only had to home school your kids, but you actually had to responsible for them. To actually 'raise' them and not foster them off to day care or school. That the 'state' would help out with expenses so one parent could stay home...at least until they were ten or twelve... I bet the savings from social services, juvenal courts, public schools, etc..would be more than enough to cover that expense with plenty left over to provide better than decent care for the elderly. It would also cut way back on unwanted children...knowing you had to really raise them, be with them and show results.. It would mean you truly wanted that child to invest so much time and effort. Just imagine how the kids would turn out, all of them knowing they were really wanted by their parents for just who they were..  ------------------
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chronicprincess Knowflake Posts: 3080 From: Earth Registered: May 2001
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posted June 15, 2001 02:04 PM
I think parenting classes, period, should be required of all people expecting to be parents or guardians of children. And it should absolutely include teaching the value in kNowing yours and your child's natal charts. The same classes for those teaching children not fortune enough to be home-schooled  Perhaps when parents do take responsibility, making the child the priority rather than any number of other things we see parents put before it, the kids can have the best of both world's - public education resources for labs or things requiring very expensive tools/facilities or special instruction (like observatories and human/eco- friendly science), reinforced and expanded at home by parent participation - assuming text books and curricculum are brought into the Aquarian Age and history at least includes herstory. My own children attended private and public schools, but always had the benefit of parents that did *parent* taking active roles in their education/work and their recreation, not to mention making them aware of esoteric, ethereal and metaphysical things... ~ Uni-Versal Law   ------------------ "...it came in on the sweetest breeze... i could hear it in color..." ~me
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YIVY Knowflake Posts: 4747 From: Louisiana Registered: Nov 2000
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posted June 16, 2001 12:42 AM
GOOD FOR YOU, Princess..  You sound like a very responsible and caring parent. I bet your kids are proud you are their 'MOM'.  ------------------
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chronicprincess Knowflake Posts: 3080 From: Earth Registered: May 2001
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posted June 16, 2001 03:51 AM
Well, they say they are   ------------------ "...it came in on the sweetest breeze... i could hear it in color..." ~me IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 16464 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted April 09, 2002 08:53 AM
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