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fatinkerbell
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posted November 27, 2009 02:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message
Yesterday I saw Sungshin University for the first time and I loved it ... In two weeks time I'll have an interview and demo lesson to get a job there so everyone hold thumbs for me : )

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posted November 27, 2009 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message
It doesn't look like much here but this is the only pic I could find for now ... it must be and old photo:

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posted November 27, 2009 06:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DiandraReborn25     Edit/Delete Message

Seems wonderful to me

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posted November 27, 2009 09:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
Good luck!

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posted November 28, 2009 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, Good Luck Deary!
All the Best!

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fatinkerbell
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posted November 29, 2009 05:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message
Hey guys, thanks for the good wishes ... I have such a GREAT feeling about this ... btw here is the actual job ad, which only went up officially a few days ago, with a really close deadline so it's like I have miles of headstart in this race ... weird. Anyway, I've been working my a s s off preparing lesson plans and a 15 minute demo lesson for the job .... anyone interesting in hearing about the use of "prepositional phrases of place in space-order paragraphs to show the location of objects" in a descriptive paragraph are welcome to consult me : )
Job ad follows ... moi's DREAM job! : D

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English Teacher Needed in Seoul, Korea

Posted By: Sungshin Women's University <gedu@sungshin.ac.kr>
Date: Wednesday, 25 November 2009, at 9:48 a.m.

Position: English teacher

Posted By: The College of General Education
Sungshin Women's University
Seoul, Korea
All applications must be received until December,2, 2009..

Date: November,25 (Wednesday)

The College of General Education is seeking dedicated, experienced, and qualified instructors to teach writing and conversation in the College of General Education for the year of 2010.

Duties
- teach a minimum of 9 hours per week;
- prepare lesson plans
- attend regular faculty meetings
- regular office hours and consultation and mentoring are required
- assist in developing curriculum and teaching materials for all 3 levels of writing and conservation courses.
- attend regular professional development workshops.

Salary
- The annual salary will be approximately 30-35 Korean million won depending on educational background and teaching experience.

Qualifications
- Applicants must be native English speakers
- Applicants must have a Bachelor's degree (BA) or a higher degree
& Master's degree preferred in TEFL, TESOL, Education, Linguistics or English
(TEFL/TESOL certifications are acknowledged credentials)

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Well I don't have a Master's Degree in TESOL (Teaching English To Speakers of Other Languages) but I'm actually going to start that course through distance education in 2010 so I hope they are impressed enough by my Philosophy degree. Actually I taught language philosophy for two years so it shouldn't be a problem. So I hope : D Anyway I'm posting all this here because I've been waiting for a chance like this for years because if I get this job I really will be doing what I love, which is teaching about writing : )

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posted November 29, 2009 05:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deux*Antares     Edit/Delete Message
The job is yours, Fatinkerbell. The ad is just for show.

I suggest you write a daily gratitude affirmation to seal the deal (15x is good). LOL. Something like "Thank you, God/Source/Dude, for this wonderful job I have at SWU. I am happy and grateful for blah blah blah".

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posted November 29, 2009 06:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks DA ... I'm gonna do that right now! Brilliant brilliant idea : D

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posted December 01, 2009 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
Blimey fatinkerbell! 9 hours teaching a week for that salary! Brilliant, I so hope you get it, it sounds like such a civilised job. Be wishing you well girl!

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posted December 01, 2009 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message
Ja well if only it really were 30 to 35 million won ... I think they mean 3 to 3.5 million won. At the moment I'm earning 2.3 million won. Heck, if I got 35 million won every month that would be like $30 000 ... I'd spend all my free time flying to the USA and stalking Marilyn Manson : )

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posted December 01, 2009 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message
Well I've been working like a fiend prepping lesson plans and a teaching demonstration to get my job (btw Deuz Antares ... I'm writing out an entire page every day saying "Thank you God for giving me the wonderful Sungshin job" ... : )
But as I get a bit over-stimulated when my brain is working (that's why normally I prefer to avoid work ... work is very confusing to me because I begin trying to do ten things at once ... no patience ... Aries rising ...) I came upon the following article thingy and I thought I just had to post it here in my topic. The reason why I'm posting it is actually in order to vent .... and also explain why I want this particular job so bad ... in other words why I want to stay in Korea and shake things up. Well before I post the article I just wanna pose the question: Have you ever been in a situation where you see something being done and the people who are doing it are so d a m n incompetent and it just so happens that you can see exactly what they're doing wrong? Let's say, for instance, you find a bunch of people trying to put a saddled under a horse ... on it's stomach .... Well I dunno where that image comes from but it's the first that popped into my head ... point is, you wanna go: "No you idiots!!! The saddle has to go on top of the horse, on it's back!!"
Well that feeling is the feeling I have in Korea ever since I came here. The entire country is obsessed with English and spending tons upon tons of money to learn English, for instance by importing all these English speakers like me into the country. But it's like they're putting the saddle on the horse's stomach because here I sit in my office all day studying astrology or playing poker on Facebook (that's what I've been doing for two years) while Korean teachers teach English. It's like buying a toothbrush and continuing to clean your teeth with your fingers. So the weird thing is, I actually love teaching and I wish they'd let me at the kids more often, but ... you know ... So, to make a long story short (yeah right!) ... The only way I can possibly express how stooooopid all of this is ('this' being the poor state of English in Korea) is by actually becoming a more and more important person in Korean society, learning to speak Korean fluently, and then telling them, in Korean, and then in English (first I'll have to teach them English) that they could speed up English education in Korea a thousand fold if they just follow a few simple steps, like, stop beating the kids and making them do weird punishments (see my thread fatinkerbell uncut on Know Two Are Alike re that), let the English teachers who are actually here in the country teach from the textbook, put Korean English teachers in classes where they get taught to better their English with trained professionals like me who have learned how to teach English to adults! Seems so simple right ... Sometimes I think it must be the Tower of Babel all over again ... Maybe God doesn't want Koreans to speak English, or English people to speak other languages because it they do everyone will cooperate and try and build a tower tall enough to reach heaven.
OK, rant over, read the article below and maybe you'll sympathize with my itch to teach:

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For English studies , Koreans say Goodbye to Dad


AUCKLAND, New Zealand —1. On a sunny afternoon recently, half a dozen South Korean mothers came to pick up their children at the Remuera Primary School here, greeting one another warmly in a schoolyard filled with New Zealanders.


2.The mothers, members of the largest group of foreigners at the public school, were part of what are known in South Korea as “wild geese,” families living separately, sometimes for years, to school their children in English-speaking countries like New Zealand and the United States. The mothers and children live overseas while the fathers live and work in South Korea, flying over to visit a couple of times a year.


3.Driven by a shared dissatisfaction with South Korea’s rigid educational system, parents in rapidly expanding numbers are seeking to give their children an edge by helping them become fluent in English while sparing them, and themselves, the stress of South Korea’s notorious educational pressure cooker.

4.The phenomenon is the first time that South Korean parents’ famous focus on education has split wives from husbands and children from fathers. It has also upended traditional migration patterns by which men went overseas temporarily while their wives and children stayed home, straining marriages and the Confucian ideal of the traditional Korean family. The cost of maintaining two households has stretched family budgets since most wives cannot work outside South Korea because of visa restrictions.


5.South Koreans now make up the largest group of foreign students in the United States (more than 103,000) and the second largest in New Zealand after Chinese students, according to American and New Zealand government statistics. Yet, unlike other foreign students, South Koreans tend to go overseas starting in elementary school — in the belief that they will absorb English more easily at that age.


6.In New Zealand, there were 6,579 South Koreans in the country’s elementary and secondary schools in 2007, accounting for 38 percent of all foreign students.


7.“We talked about coming here for two years before we finally did it,” said Kim Soo-in, 39, who landed here 16 months ago with her two sons. “It was never a question of whether to do it, but when. We knew we had to do it at some point.”


8.Wild geese fathers were initially relatively wealthy and tended to send their families to the United States. But in the last few years, more middle-class families have been heading to less expensive destinations like Canada, Australia and New Zealand.


9.Now, there are also “eagle fathers,” who visit their families several times a year because they have the time and money. Those with neither, who are stuck in South Korea, are known as “penguin fathers.”

The national experience is considered enough of a social problem that an aide to South Korea’s president recently singled out the plight of the penguin fathers.


10.President Lee Myung-bak said he would start to address the problem by hiring 10,000 English teachers. “This is unprecedented,” he said. “Korea is actually the only country in the world undergoing such a phenomenon, which is very unfortunate.”

11.South Korean students routinely score at the top in international academic tests. But unhappiness over education’s financial and psychological costs is so widespread that it is often cited as a reason for the country’s low birthrate, which, at 1.26 in 2007, was one of the world’s lowest.


12.South Korean parents say that the schools are failing to teach not only English but also other skills crucial in an era of globalization, like creative thinking. That resonates among South Koreans, whose economy has slowed after decades of high growth and who believe they are increasingly being squeezed between the larger economies of Japan and China.


13.It could take years to see how well this wave of children will fare back in South Korea, especially since they are now going overseas at the elementary level. But earlier this decade, when the wild geese children tended to be high school students, many succeeded in plying their improved English scores to get into colleges in the United States or other English-speaking countries, education experts said. For others, their years overseas was a roundabout way to get into top South Korean colleges, like Yonsei University in Seoul, which increasingly offer courses or entire programs in English.


14 For New Zealand’s public schools, which charge foreign students annual tuition of $8,700, South Koreans provide an important source of revenue. The economic benefits have helped offset resentment toward an Asian influx that has remade many schools in Auckland, the country’s largest city, lending an Asian charnefer to the business district and raising home prices in the wealthier suburbs.


15 At Remuera Primary, Ms. Kim said she believed that English fluency would increase her sons’ chances of gaining admission to selective secondary schools in South Korea and ultimately to a leading university in Seoul. Her husband, Park Il-ryang, 43, graduated from a little-known Korean university, and he said that the resulting lack of connections had hampered his own career.

16. Even so, the sons were not making sufficient progress in English, the parents said. They hired a private English tutor to supplement the supplementary cram schools. “We didn’t think the cram schools were doing any good, but we were too insecure to stop sending them, because the other parents were sending their children,” Ms. Kim said.

17. The parents were pleased that their sons had integrated well into the neighborhood and school, and were now even speaking English to each other. But Ms. Kim was worried that her younger son was making shockingly simple mistakes in his spoken Korean and might not form a solid “Korean identity.”Striking the right balance would be critical to the brothers’ re-entry into South Korea, with its fierce competition to get into the best schools.


18. South Korean women’s rising social status and growing economic power have fueled the wild geese migration, according to education experts like Oh Ook-whan, a professor at Ehwa Womans University who has studied the separated families. Conservatives have criticized the wild geese mothers for being obsessed about their children’s education at the risk of destroying their marriages. The women’s real intention, they say, is to get as far away as possible from their mothers-in-law.


19.The mothers say they are the modern-day successors to one of the most famous mothers in East Asia: the mother of Mencius, the fourth-century Chinese Confucian philosopher. In a story known in South Korea, as well as China and Japan, Mencius’s mother moved to three neighborhoods before finding the environment most favorable to her son’s education.

20.I don’t know why Mencius’s mother is so revered and why we wild geese mothers are so criticized,” said Chang Soo-jin, 37, who moved here with her two children nearly two years ago. “Our coming out here is exactly the same as what she did.”

21 Yet Amy’s father, Kevin Park, 41, was not totally convinced that the benefits had been worth splitting up the family. He had reluctantly agreed with his wife’s decision to come here with the children and then extend their stay, twice.


22. After his family left Seoul, Mr. Park, an engineer, moved into what South Koreans call an “officetel,” a building with small units that can be used as apartments or offices. Hearing about wild geese fathers becoming dissolute living by themselves, he stopped drinking at home.

“I’m alone, I miss my family,” Mr. Park said grimly in an interview in Seoul. “Families should live together.”


23. Living apart for years strains marriages and undermines the role of a father, traditionally the center of the family in South Korea’s Confucian culture, education experts and psychologists said. Some spouses have affairs; some marriages end in divorce.


24. “Even if there are problems, some couples choose to ignore them for the sake of their children’s education,” said Choi Yang-suk, a psychologist at Yonsei who has studied wild geese families in the United States and Canada.
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posted December 01, 2009 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message
Anyway, how I came upon this article was through browsing through the web for arguments for and against affirmative action in the form of Women's Universities. The textbook from which I'm prepping lesson plans for the interview teaches how to write different kinds of paragraphs, for instance instructive paragraphs, descriptive paragraphs, argumentative paragraphs, etc. So I was thinking that a topic for an 'argumentative' paragraph (actually that's my own name for the paragraph - the textbook calls it 'Expressing your opinion' or an 'opinion' paragraph ... I'm like who wants an opinion? I want an argument!! --- hee-hee) ... where was I ... oh yes, a topic for an ARGUMENTATIVE paragraph could be: "Why do we need women's universities?" I got the idea from a story about a few South Korean men sueing another women's university (Ehwa) for not letting them into their law school, the only women's law school in Korea ... that is, for discriminating against them. So I was wondering whether my prospective students would be at all attuned to the controversy of the affirmative action that let's there be women's only universities but no men's only uni's. Weird thing is people aren't as argumentative here as I think they could be ... controversy doesn't reign supreme ... debates are not sparked over trifles ... no one has their high horse ready to get up onto. Well, if it were up to me, that would definately change : ) A healthy society is one with lost of differing points of view vying for attention. Hey wait, that reminds me of some place I know ... could it be ... good old LindaLand?? : D
As soon as I've taken over Sungshin University I'm gonna allow men in and have it painted pink. But only nice sensitive new age men though. Any candidates?

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posted December 02, 2009 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
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let the English teachers who are actually here in the country teach from the textbook, put Korean English teachers in classes where they get taught to better their English with trained professionals like me who have learned how to teach English to adults!

That's what I was doing when I was there, it was the EPIK programme, teaching kids in the morning and the English teachers in the afternoon. What are they having you do hun? I agree, anything else would be bonkers.

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posted December 02, 2009 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
My ex boyfriend was at Yonsei, studying wild geese families and reverse culture shock for his PhD.

So sad what Koreans will sacrifice in the name of education.

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posted December 02, 2009 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message
Hey wheels : )
Were you in Gyeonggi Province? We have the GEPIK program which is Gyeonggi EPIK ... GEPIK: Gyeonggi English Program In Korea.
What they're having me do currently in middle school is that I teach about 75% of the time from my own devices, not the textbook. When I first arrived here my co-teacher took me through the textbook and said the native teacher together with the Korean teacher teaches the "Speak Out" section as well as the cartoon "Dialogue". There was also the option to teach "Sound it right", a paragraph about pronunciation and intonation. Then I was asked whether I wanted to work from another book for 'my' classes. The former native teacher had taught from a book called 'Let's Go' with a textbook and workbook which all the the second and third graders had inversted in buying. So for the first while I taught out of 'Let's Go' and said to my co-teacher that rather than prescribe another book I would create my own lessons. I based these lessons on the themes and vocabulary and so on from the textbook. In my very first year here at elementary school I taught from the textbook exactly and CD-Rom, but that was only after forcibly taking over the class from my evil co-teacher who spent 80% of his time disciplining the kids and talking to them about Korean etiquette. OK I'm exaggerating a bit, but not much. It was a nightmare actually. I totally went so far as to put a little curse on my co-teacher because the kids were really scared of him, and basically I took over and told him what to do, which he didn't like much, and which was the reason why I left my first school. The current school focuses all its attention on getting the third graders exam ready because they have to get into good highschools. Last year I was still a part of the class. Then gradually my elder co-teacher got into the habit of asking me : 'Is it OK if I teach this class alone?' when we were scheduled to co-teach. He feels he can make faster progress on his own, because basically these classes consist of a slow and meticulous translation of the reading which the students copy down line by line in their own textbooks. Let me put it this way: the textbook is designed with a particular methodology in mind, and it doesn't really work if you don't follow that methodology (task based learning) exactly. It's like there are several steps in the textbook but basically the first few steps are skipped or hurried through and then the reading is done on behalf of the students, not by them. So if I were teaching from the textbook on my own or with a Korean teacher there to assist me in my choices and willing to do MY bidding (I know I know, I sound crazy but ... I'm not kidding, it would work I tell you!) I would follow the methodology exactly. So it is in this sense that I am not 'allowed' to teach the actual textbook or the actual curriculum.
Also basically it has come to the point where we don't co-teach anymore, the Korean teachers and I - I have two Korean co-teachers, the elder one has been here for years and he is actually a wonderful teacher ... the other position had been filled by a woman who was on pregnancy leave when I first arrived here, so there was a temporary teacher in her place, and then she taught for a while after the birth of her baby, and then she quit to raise her child and so I have yet another new co-teacher, who uses me even less than the ones before.
I teach each grade once a week on my own, and for that I either use just one part of the textbook - the listening exercizes at the start of each chapter, or else I create my own lesson based on the theme of the textbook.
In my first school I was supposed to teach English to teachers in the afternoon but it was a struggle to get other teachers besides the English teacher involved ... what I mean by 'have the Korean English teachers take classes from native speakers is that it shouldn't happen school by school but actually at a special location, like a hagwon, but for teachers, or in other words adult education. One does find adult education in Korea in English but more in the professional sector, not the educational sector. What we do have in the education sector is lots of demonstration classes and that's OK because one does get teaching ideas from these ... but the point is these aren't English classes, they're teaching classes. In the current way of doing things what a Korean English teacher has of English by the time he or she graduates from university is basically what they're stuck with, unless they study on their own, which many do. Therefore the majority of Korean English teachers are not at the advanced level of English speaking ... they are basically at the intermediate level. If I were ultimate dictator of Korea I would have them attend another series of smaller English classes which are not bound to universities and actually get thm TOEFL certified ... that is, their English skills should be good enough to let them study at an English language University if they wanted to.
But hey, that's my opinion. I've come to realize the complexity of the Korean situation and I suspect I'm being prophetic here rather than prescriptive .... ten years from now things might look like that, but currently, where I'm at, I'm the saddle and I'm under the horse. I sit in my office 75% of the time left to my own devices and only get to teach English about 25% of the time.

Anyway, sorry about going on and on ... I'm getting tooootally distracted from my lesson plan prepping, but maybe I can use this stuff in the interview. If they hire me I will not have freaked them out : )

btw I'm gonna post a link here to my other 'research' thread for whoever wants to help me prep for my demo lesson by doing the writing exercize I came up with ... I just wanna see what kind of results I get. The link will follow:

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GO HERE: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/000748.html

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Wow wheels ... interesting about your ex ... How come you guys broke up? It's really an interesting topic / phenomenon, isn't it? : ) I mean the migrating in the name of education thing ... I hear Yonsei university is quite a tough one ...

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Hey fatinkerbell!

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Were you in Gyeonggi Province? We have the GEPIK program which is Gyeonggi EPIK ... GEPIK: Gyeonggi English Program In Korea.

I was in Chungnam province, about 2 hours from Seoul by train. Tiny town called Yesan. The EPIK programme: http://www.epik.go.kr/

Nationwide government programme, which I only got on to through knowing my bf! His PhD tutor is a big cheese in the Korean studies world and he gave me a reference. I didn't have a TESOL but got paid well because I had a Masters. If I remember right I was on 2.2 million won, got a free furnished apartment, an introductory payment, severance payment and free return flights, and that was 10 years ago. He wanted a break from his PhD (which he was 2 years into when we went in 1998) and to improve his Korean. The irony is the standard tof his Korean actually went down when we were there because every man and his dog wants to speak English to you! Anyway, if this job doesn't come off (I hope it does) it may be worth investigating EPIK. It looks like it's expanded since I was there, and they now give you a standard 5 weeks holiday instead of the 1 week I had. Here's me in the back row, just by the "r" of "program".

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How come you guys broke up?

When we went back to Britain he continued his PhD, but then had to go back out to study at Yonsei for a year and to be honest I just didn't want to go back to Korea, and if we were to survive I would have had to, but I would have been on my own, and you have no say in where you're placed. I could have been in Cheju while he was in Seoul, you know? I'd put my own life on hold to support his too long and I'd had enough. Great guy though, but very traditional. His mother had followed his father around the world and had been a typical ex-pat housewife, and that's what they thought I'd be. But I declined! Retrospectively, because I knew nothing about astrology at the time, I was going through Saturn return. We'd been together 5 years and I felt like I was 55, I could see how life was going to be with him and I chose freedom. I still feel strongly about him, which is the sad thing. He was a beautiful person, used to leave me notes around the house, in the fridge etc, he celebrated our anniversary every month ffs! But I felt like I was in a bell jar and nobody could hear my screams. I have no regrets.

His parents were very manipulative and wanted to keep me in my place. I broke up with him when he was over in Yonsei. It was horrible. I had every intention of waiting for him but as soon as he'd gone I realised I couldn't. I was working as a waitress just to keep our apartment for when he'd come back, and I had two degrees, there was no proper work in the city we lived in, and I'd seen a bit of the world and had trouble settling back in. His mother called me up and told me to wait for him, for a YEAR! because she didn't know what silly thing he might do (suicide) and if I did wait she'd pay my rent while he was away (emotional and financial blackmail - his family were way more wealthy than mine, she thought I was a gold-digger all along, little did she know). He's in Japan now, he's fine, of course he is! Speaks fluent Japanese and fluent Korean.

To be honest my experiences in Korea made me mad because I was ignored a lot of the time because I was a woman (even at my interview at the Korean Embassy in London they asked questions about me by asking my boyfriend instead of me - a taste of things to come). No way was I going to stand the same treatment in my own country from her, I blew my stack. Stupid woman, she was so clever but never worked after she got married and was deeply unhappy. She wanted the same for me. 2.4 kids, shut the **** up, follow your husband around, don't ask questions, go to art class on Thursday and have polite dinner parties, don't talk about politics or religion or sex, wear court shoes that match your dress, la la la. Korea actually made me a lot wiser and stronger, if I hadn't been there I'd probably be married to him right now. And I was fed up of certain subjects being taboo in Korea, I didn't want that for my life. He was too much manipulated by them himself to see what was going on. But with parents like those you don't break the mould without paying. My name is mud with her, mutual friends tell me. Good. She couldn't buy me.

Blimey! Where did all that come from!

Do you experience sexism out there?

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posted December 03, 2009 05:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, interesting subject though. He was interviewing kids who'd been sent away to America to learn English, and studying what it was like for them when they came back. It was not good for them, generally. They'd seen what it was like to be in a culture where things are argued about, discussed, thrashed out and they just didn't fit well there and they didn't fit back when they went back to Korea. The suicide rate among these kids, especially the boys was much much more than those who had never been away. They were bullied horrendously (bullying's a huge problem there as you know). I agree with you about Korean people not really being very open to argument. I think that's why I suffered there. I found them quite passive aggressive, but I was young back then, I've moderated my feelings about the place which very often bordered on hatred. I totally had culture shock and then reverse culture shock myself, he should have interviewed me! It wasn't so severe for him, he'd been there before, and he'd grown up in Hong Kong.

Well, it seems like a problem that your co-teachers don't want to make use of you as much as they should. I had that problem only once, but because it was a government programme, the teacher just had to get over it. To be honest she was embarrassed about her own standard of English, which was very poor considering she was teaching 15 year olds.

I had an absolutely brilliant co-teacher in another school though, and she made it all worthwhile. She was so open to suggestions, and consequently the kids in her classes were miles ahead of kids the same age in my other schools (I had three schools but taught two age groups in each). So while we taught from the textbook/curriculum, it wasn't dry. I remember teaching past participles or something, and got an idea from a Korean TV show to buy two massive inflatable hammers from the market. We had two kids sit opposite each other on stools, each with a hammer. Each kid also had a hat. So you ask the kids a question, if they know the answer they smack the other kid on the head with the hammer and shout out the answer. If the kid who gets hit manages to put the hat on his head before the hammer comes down, the kid who got the answer gets 1 point, if they're not fast enough with the hat the kid who got the answer got 2 points. If they answer wrong you make them do something embarrassing a forfeit, this can be as elaborate, bonkers or educational as you want. The other kid gets 4 points and a chance to answer for another 2 points.

We used it time and time again with various grammar. It was a hoot, I used to be in tears, and they loved the violence. We had them doing treasure hunts, everything. We had a league table with scores on it for the year, they were so competitive. Just for sh!ts and giggles, we (Julia, my co-teacher and I) would occasionally let THEM ask the questions and whack each other with the hammer, which brought the house down.

My beautiful girls' class won the regional speaking competition and got to go to Seoul for the finals, country bumpkins on tour in the big smoke, god love them, they'd never been. They wrote their own play about bullying and had to perform on stage. We coached them and coached them for it. I could weep I miss them so much. We had this amazing karaoke bus on the way up there, they had me singing Arirang and I was rubbish, but they were like "Your Korean soooo good, you sound like Korean person!". Everybody's mother made me kimbap, and I was like a stuffed pig by the time we got there, because you have to try everybody's don't you? Don't want to offend the ajumas.

Of course they didn't win, they were up against kids who'd been to America, precocious stage school brats who went down a storm with the judges (talk about missing the ******* point!) but we always told them they had every chance of winning, why couldn't they? And they believed us. I just loved the girls, I used to tell them they could do and be whatever they wanted. Wishful thinking for sure but I had teachers who stamped on my dreams because I was working class from a hick town and I never forgave them for it. I've got loads of origami stuff they made me, and they did me a big photo album of themselves when I left. Angels they were, so affectionate. But their Korean English teacher made them that way, she was a DUDE.

I have a whole heap of lesson plans just in case I do it again. If you think you'd ever be able to make use of them I'll gladly scan them and send them to you.

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posted December 03, 2009 05:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
So then in the afternoon I would teach the adults teachers (a big class, which brought in teachers whose schools I didn't teach at). I would have them do the same things as the kids, with the hammers etc, to show them how to deliver an exciting lesson. It was good, but I much preferred the kids as they were less self-conscious.

I would vote for you if you were up for presidency of Korea, I agree 100% with what you're saying. What they're doing seems like p!ssing in the wind, a whole load of wasted effort considering they've got a real-life native English speaker at their disposal and they're not making use of you. The one bad co-teacher I had, Mrs Shin, would spend 80% of her time doing just what yours is doing, being very violent to the kids and just plain scary. She was so against having to be a co-teacher that she'd deliberately drive very dangerously when she came to pick me up (part of her duties towards me) to scare the crap out of me, she was weird, I hated her, and she was lazy more than anything. She used to sabotage lessons deliberately (I never used anything with her kids that hadn't been tried and tested with the kids at the "good" school) but she'd deliberately get it wrong and explain it to the kids wrong so that everybody was confused and the plan wouldn't work. Then she'd say "See! Co-teaching doesn't work". It was so frustrating. But I was not the only one who thought she was a total b!tch, she had a rep for it among the Korean English teachers too.

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posted December 03, 2009 05:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
Anyway, I'm sending good vibes your way that you get this job hun, and that it will give you better satisfaction than now. Does your mum experience the same thing you do?

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posted December 03, 2009 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
Have you ever seen a person with physical disabilities in Korea? ie a person in a wheelchair? I never ever did. Never saw anyone with Downs Syndrome or similar either.

I always wanted to ask why. I tried but it wasn't the done thing.

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posted December 03, 2009 06:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
Oh and another thing. I would err on the side of caution in trying to revolutionise their thinking before you get the job, in terms of equality. I know what you're saying and I agree completely, but I am afraid for you that if you go in there too strongly they may think you're too renegade. Korea's Scorpio, and need to be played more subtlely. I hope I don't offend by saying this, just a small concern. But I would imagine your Arien nature wants to be accepted for who and what you are, and that of course is how it should be, but I would be careful with overplaying that, as the times I tried to do that I got stung. Stung so much they would "forget" to pay me to teach me a lesson.

For the moment anyway. Get the buggers later. Softly softly catchee monkey.

Sorry for all the yapping. Korea was a pivotal time for me in my life. Would love to discuss more with you when you have the time. Lucky for me there's a Korean deli just opened here, I can get the kimchi but I really really miss those leaves you wrap rice in, marinated in sesame, soy and chilli (they look a bit like beech leaves, serrated edges, do you know the ones I mean, they come in tins, I don't even know what theyre called). I'm salivating even thinking about those!

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posted December 03, 2009 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message
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Sorry for all the yapping

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Don't be silly! This stuff is fascinating wheels. I have sooooooooooooooooooooo much to say in return, both on the subject of being in a relationship where the pressure is on you from family to be basically a traditional 'chicky' (a typical demure female in other words), and in reply to your remarks about Korea and life in general. The first topic is well known to me 'cos actually I'm a divorcee ... I was married to an Italian guy. So basically same thing - he was nice and sweet, but his family and their influence over him ... different story. Anyway I'll get back to you on the other stuff later, but I just want to say for now thanks for reminding me regarding not being too revolutionary. You're totally preaching to the choir, but I do need to be reminded to be slightly more Machiaveliian, and I need to be reminded often! So thank you : ) I get a little worked up but in truth it's actually because I've come to really love this country ... it's so crazy/ beautiful, so I'm like ... I want what's best for you! I believe in you Korea! Trust me! I won't s c r e w you over!! But don't worry ... revolution is the long term plan. The short term plan is a lovely, little, cozy and uncontroversial job.

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posted December 08, 2009 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message
Well, it's crunch time folks ... in 24 hours I'll be leaving to take the bus to Banwol subway station to take the subway to Seoul, to get my passport replacement (which mysteriously disappeared a couple of months ago, along with AAALLLL my other important docs) from the SA embassy then on to Sungshin Women's University subway station to get a taxi to take me to the uni where Ill first get a bite to eat at the student cafeteria in order to get the 'vibe' of the place (and also because embassy hours and interview time leave a gap in the middle just begging for a sandwich and coffee to fill it, and then go to Sungshin Building to the waiting room, then the interview room, to tell them EXACTLY why the gods will strike them all dead if they don't hire me. If that technique doesn't work, I'll just wow them with my amaaaazing demo lesson, which no-one will be able to resist. So much energy, magic, positive thinking, praying, affirmations, and in general energy! has gone into that thing that the earth might just wobble when I finally deliver it.

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