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Topic: "What Monsters You Make Of Them"
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Cynnared
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posted July 13, 2010 09:58 AM
 
Valus - True.My ex would be one of those stupid people strongly insisting that my 8 year old can have all the junk food she wants at his place. She can stay up as late as she wants on a school night. This guy has Child welfare breathing down his neck 4 time this one year. The law couldn't help me out. I find a lot of parents focus on negative reinforcement when their kids act up and not a bunch of praise goes out when they do good. There are some parent who want their child to be a carbon copy of themselves and force what they are supposed to be on them - not letting the child be who they are. I had to take a parenting class this year and I saw and learned new things that have benefitted me. Cynn IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted July 13, 2010 11:07 AM
my point is that the fact sunchild's daughter is such a great example might be because of OTHER things than her diet. for instance sunchild's personality and style of parenting. there is no ONE thing that makes all the difference. and she is no more proof than the kids i know who are equally brilliant but don't live on raw food principles. plus she is only 3 - the jury is hardly in on her lifelong health.yes i know what is out there, even though where i live the trend is away from that sort of stuff, and california even recently passed a ban on certain harmful plastics as food and drink containers. the water on rocks example has been doing its work for years now. but here you are not talking to people who feed their kids mcdonald's or i suspect treat them anything like you suggest. why not take it to the proper arena instead of haranguing people here? don't forget that it is HIGHLY unlikely that any of our centenarians eat as you prescribe, yet they seem to have done just fine with one MAJOR asset - attitude. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted July 13, 2010 12:14 PM
as to your repeated assertion that seers are ignored and worse by the general public and powers-that-be, that is not proof that all who are disdained or pooh-poohed for their ideas are geniuses. most of your ideas are so far from being "new" that thousands have been bringing them to the attention of the masses for decades if not centuries. have you joined the Natural Solutions group? or any others of the organizations working on the same stuff? or do you need more to be recognized as ahead of your times than understood?heard any of the mel gibson tapes lately? d'you think he is being persecuted for his immense faith? or is he actually being seen for the nutjob he is? i'm all for educating people about food and the drug culture. just please turn down the condescension/self-promotion level a little? IP: Logged |
AbsintheDragonfly
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From: Gaia
Registered: Apr 2010
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posted July 14, 2010 09:30 AM
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SunChild
Moderator Posts: 1019
From: Melbourne. Victoria. Australia
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posted July 29, 2010 10:21 PM
It's also not about the quantity of years but the quality of years and living sustainably for the Earth and yourself. Being healthy at 100 or just making it to 100 is totally different. And health is not just living without pain and disease. health is a completely different condition which is alien to most people which is why there is so much confusion. Until you meet someone like David Wolfe in person who IMO is the healthiest man alive, then and only then can you feel what it is. Very inspirational.  IP: Logged |
LEXX
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat.........& LEXIGRAMMING... is my Passion!
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posted July 29, 2010 11:02 PM
I cannot agree with not vaccinating.
The tragedies in the Amish communities due to not vaccinating, still crop up from time to time....Polio is one, as is Tetanus. 
There are other preventable diseases they get from time to time.
Same for their animals getting rabies because of not being vaccinated.
I just do not know what to think.On the other hand, they eat meat and their diets would freak out many health food advocates.
Yet they are basically healthy people in spite of consuming whole milk, butter, lard, smoked and fatty meats, flour, eggs, sugar, bread.....and many men smoking to boot.
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SunChild
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posted July 30, 2010 07:33 AM
And the Amish also have the lowest incidence of autism and mercury related poisoning. And im not insinuating anything just balancing the argument. The vaccine situation is very complex and no one should be ignorant and not know what the risks are. It's an issue that is not black or white. That's common sense anyway.Lexx, if I may share my views with you.
Imo, They are healthy because they do not subject themselves to modern day chemicals. Their food is lovingly grown, cultured, and whole. No matter if it comes from animal source does not make something unhealthy, it is in the way something is produced. It's not about what food you eat it is about what has been done to it before it reaches your mouth. I'd happily eat some raw goats testicles if I was initiated into some tribe in respect for the elders, any way I have loads of bigger picture views on eating. Animal fat is very important in colder climates. I'm writing this on iPad so can't go on and on, but would love to lol. There's nothing wrong with tobacco, in the doctrine of signatures the tobacco leaf is shaped like a pair of lungs, smoking used to be something quite spiritual, healthy and even healing, and still is in some ways but again, look how we process the stuff. There's nothing wrong with anything natural, it's only the way we ignore natural wisdom and then disease will occur. IP: Logged |
LEXX
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat.........& LEXIGRAMMING... is my Passion!
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posted July 30, 2010 09:40 AM
quote:
Lexx, if I may share my views with you.
Imo, They are healthy because they do not subject themselves to modern day chemicals. Their food is lovingly grown, cultured, and whole. No matter if it comes from animal source does not make something unhealthy, it is in the way something is produced.
Not usually true for the Ohio Amish I personally know. VERY FEW GROW OR RAISE THEIR OWN FOOD/MEAT ANIMALS these days.
They get taxied in groups by "Yankees" and shop at Super KMart, WallMart, and eat junk food too, and McDonalds, and sugar pop, and well, pretty much get their eats from the same places I do.
They are, if they have farms (most work in factories and so forth these days) heavy users of pesticides and weed killers. There is nothing organic about their farming unless they have animals, and then it is feces at any given time, which can be laden(feces=manure) with e-coli or hook worms, tape worms, round worms, (manure=raw untreated sh!te from cows, pigs, horses, chickens, dogs, and yes, human urine and feces from out house clean outs).
They use oil and gas in their tractors and yes, 4 wheeler ATV's quite a few have these days.
Many use gas generators for their electric, because it is not as taboo as wired in electricity.
Some still make dump heaps instead of having trash pick ups. Burning trash is very common.
The trash is even the toxic stuff.
Sorry to shatter the mythos of the Amish.
I suspect even the strict ones are not as most think.
Many of their communities have become tourist traps and a lot of "show" is put on for naive tourists.------------------
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SunChild
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posted July 30, 2010 06:22 PM
Depends on what one has seen I suppose.
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katatonic
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posted August 01, 2010 12:45 PM
as in an article about cats and dogs i just read (and posted in HC) vaccination done right and NOT OVERDONE can actually be a boon to health. however in the veterinary world these days it is suggested that cats be vaccinated yearly for several diseases that MOST cats never get, rather than protecting them in their vulnerable early years and then letting the immune system do the rest. this is how WE were vaccinated in my own childhood. polio, smallpox, tetanus were IT. my daughter had a couple more but i refused the newer ones, MMR, even pertussis, for her...the reactions were rampant in those days and i didn't think it was necessary.she had measles so lightly we never even knew it till she was tested for antibodies, likewise rubella. chicken pox even at age 3 came and went with only a few days discomfort... her son however had the standard at age 4 (almost 4 years ago). his immune system was thrown for a loop that took 3 years to get over...however he eventually pulled through and is fine though he has some physical catching up to do due to 3 years restricted activity. but speaking of cats, who have shorter generations than we do, the article i mentioned just now talks about how over the years the author has studied 1000 cats and found that eating cooked food (and processed catfood) led to less healthy animals with chronic kidney disease and within 3 generations reproductive failure. sounds much like the warnings about gmo foods for humans HOWEVER i have not noticed any shortage of cats or even lessening of feline population over the last 50 years. so my in-the-field conclusion is that most cats do just fine on prepared catfoods. as the average life of a FERAL cat is about 4-5 years one can only assume that their domestic pals are not being poisoned by their owners... IP: Logged |
Taurean_Scorpion
Knowflake Posts: 129
From: Santa Monica, CA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 04, 2010 06:59 PM
It's ignorance...i tell my mom all the time about the high fructose corn syrup, that the beef you get from mcdonalds isn't from one cow but thousands and thousands but she doesn't listen...her excuse is "your sister wanted it so i bought it for her.." Also, it's the unwillingness to believe what's true.IP: Logged | |
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