posted July 11, 2010 07:45 PM         

I want to talk about parents who yell at their children, punish them, drug them, and deny them affection, for acting like the little monsters they (the parents) made them into. Can you feed your child a consistent diet of high fructose corn syrup, refined carbohydrates, dead (cooked) food, and animal products (highly acidic, low-enzyme foods) -- and then expect them to behave like little ladies and gentlemen?!?!? It breaks my heart, but I see it every day. These poor kids. I don't mean to point the finger of blame at the parents, or even at the companies who make and profit from these foods. So many people are just lost and unable to see clearly, and I do my best to have patience and compassion for them. But we have to tell the truth, even if it's a challenge to the status quo. These parents are really pushing harmful toxic drugs on their children, and addicting them at an early age to substances that produce only a moment's pleasure while ultimately robbing the body, mind, and spirit of strength. It's not about dying slowly, it's about killing, with every bite, the person they could be. It's about crushing their potential and making them restless, anxious, unhappy, and uncomfortable in their own skins. These parents think they know their children.. but they have no idea who their child might be, or might have been, if he or she had been provided with the tools to build a healthy body, mind, and spirit. They think this is just how it is. Parenting is hard, stressful work, etc. And it is. But it could be so much easier, with so many more moments of peace and joy. We are what we eat. I want to tell them, "Stop feeding your children crap!"

posted July 11, 2010 08:10 PM         

My daughter is nearly 3, never been vaxed, and her diet does not consist of chemically altered, hydrolized, artificial, sugar coated, soy based, hormone treated, nature "identical", processed, antibiotized, franken food. She has never been sick and never been to a doctor. Not even a cold, flu, ear infection that is apparently so common. She is an Angel child, sleeps well, still has naps and wants to go to sleep, she is so well behaved it is unbelievable, and that is not my parenting, I dont think I know how to discipline a 2y/o, I am just so grateful she is well balanced because her chemical and body ecology is in top condition, her brain functions perfectly.

I have written a testimonial for my friend Gingers up coming book www.therawpath.com

We are spreading the word far and wide, all these super children are grouping together and telling everyone how it is.

posted July 12, 2010 01:36 AM         

For franken kids.

You're awesome, SunChild. I wish you were my mom, lol. And I wish I had the knowledge base that you have to draw upon. I wish I could be that studious and dedicated. I'm learning, but I get so scattered; I'm reading a dozen books right now, spreading myself in a dozen directions. I'm gonna check out those links and I'm looking forward to reading your testimonial.

What really interests me is answering the question, "What motivates people to question, to look outside the box (or the 'boob tube')?" It's clear that so many parents care deeply for their children, so, it can't be a lack of caring, right? It must have something to do with being hypnotized by the culture, by authority, and by one's peer group. How do we break through that?

My methods are so Uranian ("philosophize with a lightning bolt!"), but I know my approach just triggers defenses in most people. Yin can be so gentle, like water gradually changing the face of the rocks. She says you need "bells and whistles". You need to make it attractive to people. Sometimes, to me, that's like 1 part honesty and 9 parts humoring and patronizing people. I like being somebody who "gives it to you straight". But I also want to be effective.

Sometimes I think I'm more effective than is apparent on the surface. Kind of like, people have to reject my words before they can take them in. Like, they can't admit it publicly, but I get them thinking. Or maybe I'm just flattering myself again. I don't know. Right now, I'm mostly working on "walking the talk" and transforming myself into a living example. Hopefully, that will help.

I have two great books to tell you about:

Plant Spirit Medicine by Eliot Cowan

&

~Teachings From The American Earth~
Indian Religion and Philosophy
Edited by Dennis and Barbara Tedlock

I'm also reading about Goddess Spirituality,
Neolithic Goddess religion and stuff like that.

Something is going on. You know that feeling.

posted July 12, 2010 04:58 AM         

No it's not really a lack of caring, but with some, even when presented with the information can't fathom the significance. Some mothers at my mothers group get it completely, and some can't break the cycle that has been set from generations passed.

I LOVE your method, too bad if its not popular (you would be a hero though in some communities.) The fact that you have it enter someones consciousness is a beginning.

Walking the talk is essential of course. That is why DW is so successful in changing the world of someone so stubborn.

Thank you for recommending those books, I'm desperate for new reading material. Sounds wonderful.

What we are really doing is a secret, we are becoming superheros and saving the planet. That is our agenda. Super health, super love, super life ~ breeding health.

posted July 12, 2010 10:04 AM         

I appreciate your offer, but I don't know anything about you, or how "objective" your perspective might be for me. I asked SunChild because she's impressed me as someone I could really benefit from listening to. Thank you anyway.

SunChild,

Thank you so much for your thoughtful response. From observing me, you can probably tell, I'm a strange mixture of not minding what others think of me and minding the opinions of every tom, dick, and harry. I put myself out there as if I can take it, but then I'm tossed about by every random wind. Getting validation from people like you is extremely important for me, I think. What you've said means a lot to me, and also, that you've said it.

I need to remember that all the individuals I've admired most were painfully unpopular and controversial. At least, during their own lifetimes. Now, most everybody pays lip-service to them as "great men", etc., but aren't these mostly the same sort of people who would have reviled them in their own time? Hindsight is 20/20

You wrote: "we are becoming superheros and saving the planet". Do you know how severely I'm attacked (and labeled a narcissist with delusions of grandeur) when I say things just like that? How do you get away with it? Is there a clear reason, or is it some karmic magic that allows you to pass under the radar? How are my words more inflammatory? Yeah, I know, I can be openly insulting, but only after I'm attacked for saying things like what you just said. I don't get it.

I have a lot of hope for the future, but also a passionate impatience to see massive results right now. I want to say, I think this Goddess stuff is going to be HUGE. Maybe even bigger than the health stuff. Truly epoch shattering. I'm worried the future may be filled with religious wars. "Mary" is going to be right in the middle. I can't believe women are wearing black veils right now half-way around the world. That's an extreme example, but patriarchy and patriarchal thinking is everywhere, -- in places we least suspect it, and in our own ways of seeing and thinking about the world. We need to throw off these ideas of an aggressive, dominating, judgmental male deity, and I think the only way to balance it out right now is to go to the opposite extreme. I really think this is, and is going to be, HUGE.

Thank you so much for being on my side.

posted July 12, 2010 10:45 AM         

Long-term positive results.

Sometimes it has to get worse
before it can get better, right?

Not everyone welcomes the "first fruits".

But I'm trying to place love
at the forefront of my teachings.

posted July 12, 2010 11:59 AM         

...and so I'm finishing "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" this morning and this message calls out...

page 111

It was a month after the Return that the first gull of the Flock crossed the line and asked to learn how to fly. In his asking, Terrence Lowell Gull became a condemned bird, labeled Outcast; and the eighth of Jonathan's students.

...So, I'm loving this book ... especially how it prompts me to really see the workings of really great teachers!

posted July 12, 2010 01:18 PM         

It was a genuine offer. My life is probably the antithesis of yours, so I am surely one of the very people that you seek to reach? What do you have to gain by seeking feedback from those who already 'hear' you?

posted July 12, 2010 02:57 PM         

"Scared?" lol

In the words of Tweety Bird,
"He don't know me very well, do he?"
((Or, in this case, "she".))

If I'm unable to reach you,
perhaps the fault is as much yours
as it is mine?

Perhaps more so.
We may never know.

But you've got a point.
I want to hear the opinions
of the people I'm not reaching.

posted July 12, 2010 03:38 PM         

You assume that you don't reach me, but for me to be willing to share why I think you don't communicate effectively, I would have to appreciate something of what you are trying to say?

You also assume that I 'blame' you for not reaching me, but if that were the case would I be wasting my time with this conversation?

You have already formed an opinion about me and my point of view and I haven't even said anything yet!? Isn't this the very thing that frustrates you about others? That they simply won't open their ears and their minds to consider a different perspective?

I know why you don't usually reach me (which is in part down to me), and I was offering to share that with you. That way you might be able to see how you could communicate in a way that reaches more people more often.

As you say, most of the people you admire were shunned or ignored in their lifetime, only to be revered after their death. If you are happy to follow their course, then write a book or two. If you want to make an impact in your lifetime, then you have to find a way to reach people.

We have built this up into something that I did not mean it to be. It was a genuine offer.

posted July 12, 2010 04:00 PM         

Send it to my email.

You asked, and that's my answer.

If you don't care for my wishes,
then suit yourself and post here,
but don't pretend to care.

quote:

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I am playing with fire, I know, but I'm that way out today!

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I'm that way every day.

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You assume that you don't reach me,

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No. You said so yourself.

And you said that's exactly why
I should listen to your view
rather than SunChild's.

(Even then, I said,
"If I don't reach you...")

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but for me to be willing to share why I think you don't communicate effectively, I would have to appreciate something of what you are trying to say?

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Not necessarily.
I can think of a dozen other possibilities.
Pesky Aqua Moon.

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You also assume that I 'blame' you for not reaching me, but if that were the case would I be wasting my time with this conversation?

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I don't know, would you?
Plenty of people do "waste their time".

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You have already formed an opinion about me and my point of view and I haven't even said anything yet!?

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Have I?
Where did I express an opinion?
I suggested a possibility.

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Isn't this the very thing that frustrates you about others? That they simply won't open their ears and their minds to consider a different perspective?

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My ears are open
and I'm responding to you point by point.

I'm still waiting for your email,
so we can discuss the topic, but
if you'd rather banter like this...

quote:

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I know why you don't usually reach me (which is in part down to me), and I was offering to share that with you. That way you might be able to see how you could communicate in a way that reaches more people more often.

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Yes, and I accepted your offer,
since you're so persistent.

quote:

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As you say, most of the people you admire were shunned or ignored in their lifetime, only to be revered after their death. If you are happy to follow their course, then write a book or two. If you want to make an impact in your lifetime, then you have to find a way to reach people.

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I never said I was happy to follow their course.
I don't think they were happy about it either.

Are you ready to discuss the topic yet?

quote:

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We have built this up into something that I did not mean it to be. It was a genuine offer.

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You've built it up.

I'm waiting for your email.

quote:

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Anyway, I'll leave you in peace - I have a burger and coke waiting for me (that was a joke btw)

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I'm not laughing.

And it's clear you just want to fight.

My offer still stands if yours does.

posted July 12, 2010 04:34 PM         

I will say it again - the offer was meant sincerely and honestly.

I had stopped opening your threads a while back. I don't know why I opened the one this morning, but I did and you reached me. That made me question why I had stopped opening your threads - I thought you might be interested in the answer, as spreading your message is clearly very important to you.

I don't believe your ears are open, so I am not willing to waste my time.

I am sorry you are no longer laughing, and now neither am I, which seems a shame all round.

posted July 12, 2010 08:48 PM         

I think all parents should be made to take manditory parenting classes and have a social worker work in home for a while until parenting standards are met.

but that is just me and I actually dread having an opinion -

posted July 12, 2010 10:23 PM         

I don't have to explain it. It's an aberration. I've said countless times that there are always exceptions, and they don't disprove the rules. Never have, never will. Take a look around and see what's right before your eyes -- don't go hunting for exceptions to make your point. It's that simple, isn't it?

Look around. Look at these fat, cranky kids and their enabling parents. These kids never had a chance. That's who I'm writing this for. As for the exceptions, they get older, and toxins have a cumulative effect. Still, the kids I know who glow with flaxen hair, etc., and still look as pure as newborns, all eat extremely healthy diets. I'm not arguing for extreme raw foodism. If you can do that, great -- do it. But I'm aware that it's too much to ask of people. I'm just asking them to avoid the animal products (for numerous, deeply significant reasons), refined carbs and processed junk. And, for Goddess' sake, get a juicer and give your kids fresh fruit and vegetable juices. This is the 21st Century. Now that this technology is available, what self-respecting parent isn't going to jump on it and make the most of it? Honestly.

Do you know what kind of world we live in? Vending machines in the schools?!?! A McDonald's (or some other drug dealer) on every corner? You have to prepare kids for this. Our standards have fallen so low, kat. Even these kids we cite as exceptions -- are they really that exceptional? Rarely. Rarely. And even if they are, you can't argue that they wouldn't be even better, even happier, even healthier, if their parents observed more of the measures discussed in threads like this one. Please, go find something backwards to buck against. Stop trying to reform the reformers. Stop trying to awaken the awakeners. Stop splitting golden hairs. You're so much better than that.

Cynn,

posted July 13, 2010 06:42 AM         

Valus,

Yes, the greatest minds are often ridiculed in their time, it's not until later that their work means something like you said, that is so true, but there is usually a small group of people who support them, bless them.

I really don't know why I get away with saying the things I do, quite honestly maybe people just think I am naive and aren't bothered by it, maybe it's because of my age or the fact that I am just not very noticeable...

I'm always on the side of radical change, people who see things differently to the rest. I'm cheering for you.

Little steps and some heros:

Jamie Oliver

Although he is not a raw foodist, he is a "whole foodist"... getting closer to truth.
He has changed school cafeterias and the behavior of students. http://www.google.com .au/#hl=en&source=hp&q=jamie+oliver+school+dinners+statistics&aq=3&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=jamie+oliver+school+&gs_rfai=&fp=f70e2b427ce54872

Kids eat **** at school and would not pass for food. their behavior is aweful. As soon as their diet changes so does their attitudes. It's all related. You are what you eat. Fact.

I want to point out a few heros who are helping children and families eat better, even if it means replacing meat pies and sausages with whole food pumpkin local ravioli, served with greens instead of fried chips. Some may not get to the wheatgrass and clay fasting and doing colonics, but the options for superior health are there and if we can improve lives of children we may have some hope for future generations.

posted July 13, 2010 06:47 AM         

David Wolfe and Dr. Mercola talk about healthy habits and what health really is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qWIfj2izQ8

Some people can appear healthy for a LONG time before something shows up later down the track. Do we really want to play roulette with our health? Why chance it because you can't be bothered making some changes?