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clover
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posted July 20, 2002 06:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for clover     Edit/Delete Message
i like linda goodman and her books, but the more i learn about her, the more i begin to wonder. i've heard that she died, couldn't heal herself, and stopped believing in the things she wrote. i've also heard that her daughter died and she couldn't accept it and therefore stopped believing that anyone had to die. is it just me, or does it seem to anyone else that linda was just crazy? i'm wondering how all of you can believe everything she says as if it where the bible and not question. what if everything she said was a lie? what if she said it was, like she thought it was at the end of her life. would you still believe it? maybe she never talked to a guru, but was just mentally ill. think about it. she went through three husbands. i don't know. i don't know what i believe about her. i do believe her books hold some truth, how much, i don't know. i do enjoy them however, and believe in lots of things she wrote. i do believe in her immortality standing, but maybe i'm wrong to. maybe some day i'll feel like an idiot for it. who knows. does anybody feel the same way? don't tell me i'm lacking in faith when the truth you believe i'm lacking in could very well be a mental illness. i'm not trying to put any of you down her, or linda herself. i am just wondering if anyone else was dissapointed when they read about linda's life and problems and felt like an idiot for being so swept away before this knowledge.

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Quinnie
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posted July 20, 2002 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
Clover,
I understand what you mean. I'm going through a sceptical phase too.
The only thing that helps me understand is whenever other people create miracles too just like Linda.
You could go further and say the same for the Bible which seems to have many blind followers in this respect who read the gospels and books without considering a more profounder meaning it might hold.
Have you ever watched the film 'Patch Adams'?
This is the kind of thing that greatly inspires me.
One man who at his lowest point was on the verge of suicide, was taken into a mental institution, and discovered through his own experience and his in getting in contact with the human heart began to understand so much more about following where love takes you beyond all measure.
If you've watched it you'll know that he truly was individual in his approach, in study, in appearance, in everything! and now he is after such a long struggle and much adversity, achieving his dreams of healing children with physical illness and adults through a mutually empowering way......
He's not on his own...So many people are following their heart as Linda did, but in different individual ways.
It takes alot of courage, I don't know too much about her, ( which is why a biography written about her might help those restless minds who question everything understand why and how she came to the conclusions, answers and questions that she did )
But the more I know the more I realise that she did not intend for her words to be thought of as a Bible, for they are not essentially her words, they are everyone's words and a guide to get you to follow your own bible.
Thats what I think......Feel free to argue.. I like a good discussion..

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Randall
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posted July 20, 2002 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Clover, have you read Gooberz? You would understand Linda completely by doing so. It is her "human" qualities--her flaws and frailties--that make us feel so close to her. She repeatedly said that we should not beLIeVE anything she writes. She said we should run everything through our own Higher S-elves to determine its Truth for us. I would not want her to be deified in any way, but she was definitely a very special individual. Many, many people were helped by her books. She made esoteric knowledge available to the masses. And she got many of today's astrologers into astrology for the very first time. As far as her death is concerned, there are many different schools of thought on that one.

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clover
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posted July 20, 2002 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for clover     Edit/Delete Message
thank you for your insight. i know what you mean about linda just being human and all. this was the first time i ever heard anything about her life and it just shocked this image i had. i have yet to read gooberz?? (did i spell that right?) i would love to read a biography on linda. on the topic of her death - anything is possible.

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Joga
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posted July 20, 2002 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joga     Edit/Delete Message
Well said Quinnie!

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sweetpeas
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posted July 20, 2002 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweetpeas     Edit/Delete Message
What Randall said!!!

Clover, Send me your address and I will give you a copy of Gooberz. It will knock your socks off.

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sweetpeas
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posted July 20, 2002 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweetpeas     Edit/Delete Message
Welcome to Lindaland Quinnie!

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Quinnie
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posted July 20, 2002 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
Hey thank u very much

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seraph
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posted July 21, 2002 12:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for seraph     Edit/Delete Message
to me it wouldn't matter if linda was mentally ill, because she was so utterly human and didn't make herself up to perfect. alot of people are mentally ill and contain great knowledge.

we all learn i'm just thankfull she was so generous and sharing
but thanks clover for bringing up this up
really check out gooberz it's amazing!

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MAGUS of MUSIC
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posted July 21, 2002 02:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MAGUS of MUSIC     Edit/Delete Message
Clover- Where exactly did you read of these things about Linda? Magazines? Magazines printed in pop culture America? Is it not true that any subject on any one can all to easily be reported and distorted in any way the auther or reporter wishes to{any one can twist any story and see any thing as they wish to-so it will fit and match their personal biast}?

Forgive me if Im wrong, but doesnt mostly every thing Linda learned and taught contradict and chalenge the point of veiws of mostly all practical minded politicians,corperate executatives,lawyers,peaple working in the polticly correct press and media,priest and bible chuckers of almost every organized religion?- Why would any one want to go out of their way to look and make a story that would discredit her.??? I dont know. Im geting a sraining head acke heer trying to figure out who in this world that refuses to see any thing out side of black and white would ever wish to discredit Linda.

Wait,wait I know,I know!!! Im not sure but it is possible that some peaple reading or being told of her findings just might not want to see for them selves if its true or not, because if her techings and reaserch did turn out to be true they would have to take everything that they have spent their whole life thinking was reality-and throw it out the window!!! Then Gods forbid after that they would have to reprogram them selves from scratch. It would be like having to consider your self as an infant chid that knows little to nothing yet, when before you had your whole dillusional reality shaterd you had the sweet ignorance of believing that you knew all their was to know of the univers and the laws of physics.

Man doing that would be a lot of work and learning. For many it could even cause a temporary mental over load. It would be easier to give your self and others some sweet propaganda that would keep you in your nice cumfy shell that you and the mass consouse want to accept as the end all be all of the Uni-Verses reality.

What sweet bliss ignorance can trully be. In all very sereousness, there are many times I {or atlest part of me} wish I could go back now to a few years ago when I didnt know half the things I do now. Cause once I chose to head down the road of finding the TRUTHs to the Uni-Vers, it became to late to go back. The time has past and I can never return{even if I wanted to} to my sweet close minded dilusional reality.

Clover- dont ask others, find out by way of your own unbiased reasearch if what Linda taught was true. Other wise you will only remain at the mercy of others propaganda. Wether you listen to those that say yea or them who shout nay- if you dont learn to aproach the truth on your own you could forever remain just a puppet. As a puppet it realy doesnt mater who controls your strings does it? Either way,your not the one making the decisions! Untill you learn to cut those strings- you are not yet one of the few who have learned to truly think and discover,,,,,,,,, for them sELFS.

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Enrique
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posted July 21, 2002 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enrique     Edit/Delete Message
Clover...I believe in Linda, as a great guru, and as a human..., she had lots of mistakes as we all have, but she was really enlightened, and she is a wonderful person...

I know it...

+BE WISE+

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aquamoon
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posted July 21, 2002 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquamoon     Edit/Delete Message
Linda put the truth out there for us all to either accept or reject depending on which leg of the journey home we are currently on.
It's a tough journey if you let it get to you, but there's lots of little things we've forgotten in the conscious state that she helped remind us of to make it easier. Easier, that is, if you have the wisdom and faith required to allow these little things to work for you.

Quite honestly, if you really think about it, the journey's this hard because of our refusal to believe that life is incredibly simple. If it's not complicated,if it doesn't need loads of wires or microchips, it can't be true. I mean how can I speak to someone halfway across the world without using a telephone?? Lil ole me? Nah!

The point I'm making is that though life is so uncomplicated, we have drifted so far away from this realisation that it is incredibly difficult to accept how easy it should be! (This makes sense, I promise, if only you would go back and read it again! )

Aren't there days when you feel amazingly empowered and energised and have this feeling of absolute KNOWING that things will turn out the way you want them to - simply because you want them to .......... and then again, aren't there days that you feel like maybe you don't have that sort of power, and self-doubt rears its silly head and you feel terribly alone? That's perfectly normal - (normal, that is, for the world we live in, where we forget how powerful we truly are)but these are exactly the kind of days that take away from our power to manifest what we want because of the lack of KNOWING. That's why it's so important to keep those kind of days to a minimum and focus on increasing the positivity, till we finally get to the point were we don't have off days anymore - whoopee!

Hasn't Linda done enough by simply awakening us to the truth? Isn't it now upto us to use the knowledge she helped us remember as we see fit? Why did she have to live forever to prove it can be done? Why did she have to have one marriage all her life to prove that True Love is ALL? Why do we need to be led all the way? Could it have been that, like any Guru worth her salt, she equipped us with what we needed to know, then stood aside to let us learn for ourselves?
She may have been very wise and knowledgable, but she was still human, working through her own fears, her own trials and her own tests.
I guess, finally, we all have to evaluate what we believe in for ourselves, whether what we read or are told makes sense to us, whether it fits in with what we experience personally and whether that's the way we choose to live our lives.

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Randall
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posted July 21, 2002 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
It is because of Linda's mistakes and her willingness to share them openly with all of us that makes me (and others) Love her so much. From her rash acts of anger to her inability to forgive--Linda was as human as any of us, and through her humanity we grew close to her. She earned our faith and trust, and that is how we learned so much so quickly from her. Only by reading Gooberz can others understand what we are talking about.

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Skystone
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posted July 30, 2002 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Skystone     Edit/Delete Message
Many thanks to all who replied so intelligently and compassionately to Quinnie. I was just talking to my best friend earlier today about Linda's work. Pat is a clinical psychologist with a lot of publications. She pointed out that people like Linda are fragile geniuses who have definite human flaws. Nice that I should return to Lindaland and find Quinnie's letter after just having talked to a brilliant woman who admires Linda's work, yet understands the woman herself.
You Knowflakes are so sweet.
Much love, and welcome, Quinnie!
Skystone

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sweetpeas
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posted July 30, 2002 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweetpeas     Edit/Delete Message
Skystone sounds like your friend hit the nail on the head. A fragile genius. Quite!

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Randall
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posted July 30, 2002 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks, Skystone!

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Skye
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posted September 29, 2002 08:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Skye     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know whether Linda was insane or not. I think the amount of tragedies she had in her life would be enough to unhinge anyone.

I will admit I am not an expert on the subject of Linda, and as for GOobers i haven't read it though I intend to. But it seems that so much of her life was devoted to a crazy belief and absolute refusal to admit that endings come sometimes.

SHe thought that R. B. would be back,he wasn't. She wrote the ending of Gooberz as a wishful thinking as opposed to how it actually was.

(Don't get me wrong, she has author license she can write her stories anyway she wants to. and it is certainly nicer to think of the ever after than not meeting in this life).

BUt that in itself seems quite telling. THat she should dedicate her story to the way she wished things were rather than the way they actually were... the ending is about unions, as opposed to getting over the devastating heratbreak in this life.

THe fact that she could not acknowledge her daughter's death/dissapearance and that she thought that the soul of her first love was incarnated into her third.... well one theory says she is right and on the flip side you can argue that she could not come to terms with reality of not seeing the person again. Because even if Sally was alive, she never came back. And even if Brewster was Snyder he left her and did not come back either.

It is extremely difficult to let people go. I refused to believe that my father was dead for close to five years.

But the fact that Linda may or may not have had a screw loose does not invalidate her teachings. I read Sun SIgns, Love Signs and Relationship SIgns... they were detailed, funny, compassionate and illuminating works.
I haven't read Star Signs but I think she was hitting on a lot of true things.

Even if she was not all there it does not mean again that she did not speak truth. Madness and prophecy often go hand in hand anyway because madmen have a characteristic that is necessary in prophets the ability and desire to look beyond the veil of the given and acquire their own interpretation. Ultiately, stick with what rings for you but take everything with a pinch of salt and an eye on the fragility of someone's mental state.

Peace...

Skye

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Nature Spirit
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posted October 29, 2002 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nature Spirit     Edit/Delete Message
Linda insane? Oh no. A woman with problems in her life, as we all have? Yes.

Also a woman who shared her esoteric knowledge with us, as it was given to her, which was a fine and wonderful thing to do. I can't imagine what my life might be like, had I never read anything by Linda Goodman. Quite empty with a longing for something "missing," I'm sure.

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sweetpeas
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posted October 29, 2002 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweetpeas     Edit/Delete Message
Welcome to Lindaland, Nature Spirit!

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Amethyst
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posted October 29, 2002 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amethyst     Edit/Delete Message
Oh Nature Spirit, I do agree. I cannot imagine how my life would be either had I not read anything of Linda's. She so inspired and I do not agree with all of her concepts and ideas on things. But I know she spoke the truth about Immortality. Why she would choose not to heal herself--to that I do not have a answer. Thanks for joining us

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trippysht
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posted November 05, 2002 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trippysht     Edit/Delete Message
robert brewer didnt come back ever? how do you know so much but havent read the book

i think its worth mentioning in all of this debate over her sanity (my boyfriend thinks she's absolutlely crazy and planting seeds in my head to be against him. who's crazy?) :

First: all mystics and highly spiritual people have experiences outside what we think are 'normal' and therefore are unfairly judged on such criteria

Second: it is highly possible her experiences were not unique, as most people who have seen/done these things dont write about them, so she only seems unique. not so many people are given the gift of writing... anyone ever read carlos casteneda? he wrote about the yaqui indians' shamanism that will blow your mind because it seems so different, but these were experiences shared by generations of people

third: i believe these higher plane experiences are mostly out of the realm of words, and that words are insufficient to give them justice, they are only a matter of giving the uninitiated an IDEA of them, but cannot convey them fully

fourth: all paths are different. therefore, if what she speaks of seems like nonsense to you, then your path to the source takes a different route, and this is fine. however, this does not mean that we dont all end up at the same place. you must always look within yours-elf

i personally can take much of what she wrote to heart, because i KNOW it in my heart to be true. some things are out of my league, but not so much that i can discount them totally- who's to say? by leaving the possibility open i dont close myself off from having experiences that would prove them right.

namaste (i bow down to the divine in you, especially all the little ones!)

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sweetpeas
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posted November 05, 2002 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweetpeas     Edit/Delete Message
Welcome to Lindaland, Trippysht!

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Carlo
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posted November 05, 2002 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Carlo     Edit/Delete Message
trippysht, forgive me for being such a Virgo, yet "namaste" is more accurately translated as "the god in me salutes (or bows to) the god in you". That is actually a pretty important distinction to make, since for you to bow down to the god in anyone is to not be aware that you have the spark of divinity in *yourself* as well, and that you are in fact the equal of every other human being, whether they or you think so or not...

Bright Blessings,
Carlo

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trippysht
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posted November 05, 2002 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trippysht     Edit/Delete Message
you are very right carlo! i could not quite find/re-member the words to translate it for those who didnt know, thanks for the re-minder

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Diddle
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posted November 06, 2002 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diddle     Edit/Delete Message
I am a great believer in Maslow and his different levels of consciousness, how each level is a step on a journey. Linda just got to the top level really quick and I don't pretend to understand how I just know it is so.

I worked for a psychiatrist when I lived in the States and met a lot of "mentally ill" people. However, most were just fragile geniuses with so many gifts but a complete inability to deal with their own lives yet most gave unstintingly to others thereby wearing themselves out. Linda was a genius I believe and far sighted - almost an Aquarian in that she was light years ahead of her time. And so she had problems - there is no such thing as "physician heal thyself". Linda was human like the rest of us.

Just my thoughts, love K.

"The Best Way Out Is Through" HELEN KELLER

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