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Topic: what's this that you said Randall?
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 16464 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted September 07, 2003 01:54 PM
I've heard there hasn't ever been a proven case of animal-to-human transmission of rabies. And the rabies vaccination can be deadly to pets. ------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
silverbells Knowflake Posts: 977 From: maryland Registered: Apr 2003
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posted September 07, 2003 04:38 PM
I don't know Randall, that's a wiiiild statement. What about the people who get bitten by a dog who is foaming at the mouth and then they suddenly go crazy and die?------------------ Get some Love in your groove, just get hip to Forgive...- Michael Franks IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 16464 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted September 08, 2003 01:16 AM
I challenge any medical professional to cite a documented case of that. I'd like to personally meet some vampires and werewolves also. ------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
silverbells Knowflake Posts: 977 From: maryland Registered: Apr 2003
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posted September 08, 2003 10:58 AM
Hey now, vampires are real. Haven't you ever read an Anne Rice novel?IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 16464 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted September 08, 2003 12:10 PM
Rabies (like some other so-called contagions) is a medical throwback to vampire myths. ------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
silverbells Knowflake Posts: 977 From: maryland Registered: Apr 2003
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posted September 08, 2003 08:14 PM
BUT RANDALL!!! What about the people who are bitten by rabid animals and they go crazy and are sick all of a sudden and then they get treated for rabies and they are all better? What About that?------------------ Get some Love in your groove, just get hip to Forgive...- Michael Franks IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 16464 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted September 09, 2003 01:50 AM
There has never been a medically documented case of that (at least not in the 20th century). But I could see how a psychosomatic reaction might occur. ------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 16464 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted September 10, 2003 09:28 AM
All dogs foam at the mouth. On the other hand, the damaging effects of the rabies shot is well-documented. ------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
Motherkonfessor Knowflake Posts: 324 From: Registered: Oct 2003
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posted November 20, 2003 03:02 AM
BAHAHAHAHAHAHI just happened across these posts..and I gotta gotta comment...... A) Randall, you got your wish.......LOL B) In my state, the first case of human rabies in 35 years occurred......and they cant figure out where the guy GOT it from. HAHAHAHHA... just the irony. The guy is fine, i am not laughing at his misfortune. Sorry I have a twisted sense of humor. BTW I am totally against vaccinations. And, I have never heard of ANYONE in the military getting away with no vaccines. If you did, GREAT! I don't doubt anyones words, but I used to live in a town (in CO, not far from Cripple Creek, imagine that) with 4 military installations and not one person had ever managed to get away with it. MK IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 3936 From: www.Heaven.Home Registered: Mar 2002
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posted November 20, 2003 08:40 AM
It is mandatory for our four leggeds to have rabies shots here. It is a fineable offence and the vets won`t treat w/out one.It`s a catch 22 and I deeply resent it. Another irritant is the push here for heartworm meds. There`s never been a reported case here yet the vets hammer on you so hard to medicate. They charge an exorbant price for the product which contains Ivomectin. Ivomectin is in horse wormer at about $10 a tube and one tube can worm (ALL worms) a dog for a year and 1/2. Think the vet will tell you that? Humph Prevention is the KEY and it can be done naturally and with common sense!!! juniperb ------------------ If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 16464 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted November 20, 2003 12:24 PM
MK, my guess is it's a misdiagnosis. About the military, as long as you object BEFORE enlisting, you are exempt. ------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 16464 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted November 21, 2003 01:47 PM
It's awful that the laws which protect our children from vaccines (if we choose to invoke them) won't apply to our animal friends. ------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
Harpyr Knowflake Posts: 1047 From: sleepy little Rocky Mountain village Registered: Dec 2002
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posted December 10, 2003 05:14 PM
Hi all,To bring up the ADD stuff again...My little brother is 8 and he's been 'diagnosed' with it for a couple years now. And he's a Leo too. This topic interests and frustrates me extremely because I also think that medicating it is simply trying to solve a problem by creating another problem. He was in and out of kindergarten after a couple weeks because my mom wouldn't medicate him and then the same thing happened the next year with 1st grade, both times my mother trying to homeschool him but not having any success because she didn't have the patience to deal with him. She was against the idea of medication as well. She's an older mom, had him when she was 39, so she just doesn't have the energy she used to (whereas my little bro is really highstrung and active.) and she struggles herself with depression. This is the third year of trying to get Sky into school and since he's getting so old, my mother doesn't want him to be left too far behind and doesn't know what else to do, so now they have begun the meds. At the same time, she herself has gotten on anti-depressants and just for good measure, my frequently depressed 19 year old sister went on them too! I really think that it is a myriad of things that contribute to Sky's inability sit still and concentrate on one thing. The vaccines, a diet high in refined sugar and refined foods with preservatives and artificial ingredients, too much t.v. and video games from a very young age a not being read to enough in the first three years. Emotional stuff too..like a father figure that isn't around enough cause he's a workaholic. This is of great distress to me. I love sky in a special way..it's almost more maternal than sisterly. It's because I was 17 when he was born (I attended the birth) and lived at home for much of his early years. I don't really know what I can do to help though. I tell my mother what I think some of the causes are and no matter how gently and lovingly I try to say it, she ends up feeling like a bad mom for not having the willpower to change his diet because he's so subborn now. She's frustrated because much of it is in the past and it's beyond her control to change. I'm often at a loss for what to suggest, other than trying to feed him a better diet and reduce the t.v. time- both of which she hasn't been able to stick to because she can't handle his tantrums when he's denied such things. *sigh* I find myself just pushing it aside and ignoring the problem because..I live a couple thousand miles away and I don't know what else to do. Except learn from it and do my best to raise my 2 year old son as best I can. Which I know isn't perfect but is simply as best I know and can manage whilst still doing the things I need to take care of myself. I am regularly freaked out by the idea of my son turning out with the same issue to grapple with. *knocks on wood* Thank Goddess that he doesn't show any signs of having difficulty concentrating. Contrary rather, he's shown exceptional ability for his age in that regard. soo...I shared partly cause it's interesting about that Leo thing.. Perhaps a study comparing diagnosed ADD cases and astrological influences would prove useful? If anyone knows of one or comes across one in the future..Pease Share. This Leo correlation has gotten me intruigued. The other part is that if anyone has any suggestions about alternative ways of helping children such as these get something out of the all-to-often-inadequate educational system, I would be greatly appreciative.
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trillian Moderator Posts: 1317 From: The Boundless Registered: Mar 2003
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posted December 11, 2003 12:40 PM
Harpyr, I wish I could help you, but I have had very little experience with ADD. But like you, I would eschew the current medical standards. Those medications are not a cure, and, IMO, are only designed to make life 'easier' for some lazy people within the school system...and make a lot of money for drug companies. Also, like you, I believe that our diets contribute largely to our sense of well-being, and a diet rich in sugars and processed foods can be debilitating. Also, I know there is a lot of disagreement over this, but if he is consuming aspartame, that too can contribute hugely to his problems. I've been told by natural doctors that it's the equivalent of feeding children alcohol, though worse. I'm a big fan of Dr. Richard Shulze, a naturopathic doctor in CA. He no longer sees patients (the goverment won't allow it), but he still helps them heal themselves, with tons of literature and serious products. I think he might have done one of his newsletters on ADD in the past year or so, and if I can find it I'll be happy to send it on to you, if you like. I just hope I have it... It's hard to be a mom, I sympathize with yours...we are bombarded constantly with advertisements for food and false promises for quick happiness. It's a lot of pressure when a child doesn't understand the difference between what's healthy, and what looks good on TV. Hmmm, if memory serves wasn't there some research indicating that the children responsible for Columbine were on mood enhancing medication? Please--if my memory is incorrect on that, I apologize in advance! Harpyr, that you care, is a beginning. I hope others here have some advice for you. IP: Logged |
silverbells Knowflake Posts: 977 From: maryland Registered: Apr 2003
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posted December 11, 2003 06:10 PM
My tentative theory on all of these Leos being diagnosed with "ADD" is that Leos must rule and if they don't feel that you have anything of importance to say then they are off in their own world where they can reign...not some teacher who is "clearly wasting their royal time". On a subconcious level. Perhaps one of a few, or many, reasons.IP: Logged |
crystal tipps Knowflake Posts: 12 From: Registered: Nov 2003
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posted December 30, 2003 11:56 AM
Anyone thinking of giving their child Ritalin might want to pick up a biography of Kurt Cobain.He was prescribed Ritalin at the age of seven,it was the beginning of a dependency on prescription drugs and drug addiction. IP: Logged |
Aphrodite Moderator Posts: 3280 From: San Francisco, CA, United States Registered: Feb 2002
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posted December 30, 2003 12:15 PM
Perhaps a different spin, but my four-legged friend definitely has a form of ADD for cats. I've thought a few times to get him meds for it, but haven't thus far. He's becomes aggressive and does things to hurt himself when he doesn't get his way (like throwing himself against the door or putting his head through the blinds and getting stuck).Anyway, I put him on Wellness pet food and keep him indoors as much as possible. Once every few weeks he escapes out the front door. His moods are cyclical, just unpredictable. They last a few days and then are gone. The other day I didn't want to expend any more energy to calm him down so I opened the window and let the cold air in. He enjoyed sitting by the window and looking outside, but eventually realized that it was too cold to do the things he wants to do (like scream). So he calmed down and huddled into a little ball. I dunno. I take it one day at a time and love the best I can. I know he would not be an easy cat for others to happily adopt once they first try to approach him. It's been two years since he's lived in my flat, 6 months under my personal care and sleeping in my room. The regular hours and feedings have been successful thus far. The only other thing that works is staring at him in the eye and having firm resolve not to let him destroy anything he wants. aphrodite IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 3936 From: www.Heaven.Home Registered: Mar 2002
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posted December 30, 2003 12:36 PM
Hi Amy, Willard is still being a stinker ey? Have you purchased the Rescue Remedy yet? You probably should also get essences to treat the underlying cause for a complete cure. The R.R. is to just get him over the emergency onset. Would you say these are anxiety attacks or just aggressive out bursts? If I knew, I could recommend the proper treatment for Willard. Let me know! juniperb ------------------ If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged |
Aphrodite Moderator Posts: 3280 From: San Francisco, CA, United States Registered: Feb 2002
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posted December 30, 2003 01:00 PM
hi juniperb,what is rescue remedy and how do you use it? is an anxiety attack when there is fear or worry? willard still pulls the fur off his lower back. the bald area is 5 inches long and 2 inches wide. he definitely has no fleas. he does this when nobody is looking. he is the most fearless creature alive on our block. he goes into people's houses through open windows and fights with other cats. on saturday he went into the flat below us and fought with Rilo. even though a BIG HUSKY dog lives there now. we had to get the landlord to unlock the front door to get him out. he then escaped through a hole into the basement. we had to use his wicker carrier basket and catnip as lure to get him off a 5.6 foot high pile of dirt. nobody except me can pet him longer than 20 seconds b/c he will twist his head and snap his jaws. a lot of times he demands to go out into the hall. so i let him, but then he starts yowling. i have to take him back inside, and then the whole cycle starts again with demanding to go out. he is not afraid of strangers. strangers are afraid of him . . . as deceptively cute and cuddly as he looks. willard just isn't the type of cat you can pick up and hug, b/c he will sink his claws into a shoulder, or nip at a wrist. :-/ sorry for the rant. i'm just at my wits end and am hoping that when we move into our own apartment next year, a lot of his "stuff" will go away. amy IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 3936 From: www.Heaven.Home Registered: Mar 2002
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posted December 30, 2003 01:12 PM
Awww, I feel for you and Willard. Rescue Remedy is a Bach flower essence for emergency situtations. It would calm him down at the onset of his agression. It can be purchased online and any good natural store would carry it. I will study on what essences will be best for long term relief. That is the goal here. I will get back to you today on a treatment plan. Hugs Amy juniperb ------------------ If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 3936 From: www.Heaven.Home Registered: Mar 2002
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posted December 30, 2003 03:16 PM
Amy, my e mail is winging it`s way to you! juniperb ------------------ If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged |
trillian Moderator Posts: 1317 From: The Boundless Registered: Mar 2003
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posted December 30, 2003 07:32 PM
Amy... for you and Willard.I wish I had some advice but I've no experience with a cat like Willard...I'll bet juniperb has some good suggestions, though. Keep us posted.
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Aphrodite Moderator Posts: 3280 From: San Francisco, CA, United States Registered: Feb 2002
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posted December 31, 2003 10:03 AM
Thank you much to both!I have made an online order for the flower essences formula Juniperb has prescribed. They should be here in a few days. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 16464 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted January 01, 2004 01:08 PM
------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |