posted July 09, 2003 10:39 AM         

Read what modern science says about longevity. The leading researchers in this relatively new industry (medicinaly speaking) are Katz and Goldberg (or Goldman), if you wished to start there.

Speak with peoples of all religions and beliefs on the matter.

There are a million meta-physical books on the topic (and as such a million meta-physical paths).

Read and chat on these forums. Just between Randall and myself, we are on differing paths already. So, there are minds aplenty to pick.

posted July 10, 2003 09:12 AM         

Can you tell me what you've read on the topic of Physical Immortality? Or whom you've spoken? Or what you've learned? Tell us more about yourself and the path you've been on to date.

posted July 10, 2003 12:07 PM         

I will say that it's not so much physical immortality that I believe in, it's that I don't believe in death.

posted July 11, 2003 07:41 AM         

I sense that you're a little bit defensive, no? I think you may have taken offense where none was meant. This sort of communication can be hard sometimes without tone or facial expression to clarify how we mean to come across.
If you really want answers to these questions, you're in the right place. Lots of lovely people, all eager to share. Let down your guard and see if these beliefs make any sense to you after you've given them a fair go. And if they don't, you'll still have met some wonderful people along the way.

posted July 11, 2003 02:47 PM         

I should like to answer the 'why' of it, at least from my limited perspective. If you are still around, please let me know!

posted July 13, 2003 06:44 AM         

You can't entertain a belief system and then decide you believe without learning about it . . .at least I can't and I don't know anyone else who can/did unless they're christians and believe in being 'blind-sheep'.

1. Where did the belief in immortality come from? How long has it been around?

2. Why do you believe? ('you' as in,anyone who responds to this)

posted July 13, 2003 08:05 AM         

Why I believe personally really is all about a process. There was never a lightbulb that went off in my mind. There was never a eureka moment. And there was never a catalystic event that transformed my vision of the world.

But it all started in a vague sort of way when i was thinking about instincts. Mostly I was thinking of animals, but I suppose humans made their way to the train of thought, too. I was simply remarking that every single instinct that every single creature is all about survival! There is not one animal that is programmed with the instinct to die sooner. Not even those Lemmings!

At the time, I was ohhhh, thirteen on the Gregorian Calander. Thoughts of physical immortality were far on my mind. But if I was trying to find a beginning, it was there. I would take the next "level" after long passings of "time", but eventually I came into a Heinleinian Groking.

And finally (and I admit somewhat grumpily) each one of your questions has been answered. Perhaps they were not the answers you wanted and for that I'm sorry for your frustrations.

posted July 13, 2003 11:37 AM         

I am glad you are still here. Like the others said, there are many books, both ancient and modern, that discuss this subject, and from these you will be able to gain much information and understanding. But I do understand your interest in getting opinions from "real people".

There are different 'why' questions that come to mind.

Why is it possible? Well, it just is. There is really nothing I can say, except repeating volumes of others' works, that would do any good in this conversation. Besides, I am no one of authority, and there would be no reason for you to believe what I say. (except by researching yourself)

Why do I believe it? And why am I? These I can answer. I believe it because of the research I have done. My interest lies in the area where science and religion meet. When I found that the spiritual teachings of this subject were beginning to be met by science, I could not help but to follow up, and to dig deeper. The deeper I dug, the more I knew this to be my birthright.

Even so, I was still of the belief that this was possible only for the illuminated, the Christs, Krishnas, etc. Then came Linda. She presented a view that I had not seen before. Learning what I could from her books sent me to search for others who may have been influenced by her as well.

This led me to an individual called Deathnomore. To many others, he seemed to be full of himself, self-righteous, somewhat indignant, and rather a pain in the @ss ... but it was his passion for this teaching that motivated him, and he just wished for others to see the truth of Linda's teachings. I rather liked his logical arguments and capable defenses, and besides, out of all from whom I seeked advice, he was the one who helped the most ... and he still does. The personal attention he gave was very important to me ... not something that can be had from a book. Thank you Deathnomore!! (wherever you are)

Anyway, enough of the history. The aforementioned person led me to this wonderful place, a place which means much to me.

Ally, the main reason I follow the path is based on reincarnation, a belief that we share. I ask myself, "what is the purpose in being re-born over and over, forgetting nearly everthing we previously experienced?" The more I think about it, the more, to me, it seems like a trap. I intend to stop that cycle, to exit the wheel of reincarnation, to exist in the center for as long as I feel the need. I will do what I need to in order to complete myself in this physical body. I do not wish to reincarnate a thousand more times ... it is time to end that cycle, for me.

People often ask, 'what is the purpose of life?' I ask, 'what is the purpose of death?'

Enough for now!

posted July 14, 2003 03:29 AM         

And well spoken, all of you!

Physical Immortality... this subject has come to me from so many sources, where do I begin?

Well, first, of course, for me there was Linda. She led me to Marie Corelli. My other studies (Tarot, Qabalah) led me to a group known as Builders of the Adytum (B.O.T.A.) and the inspired works of Dr. Paul Foster Case, who writes much, if a bit cryptically, on the subject of Immortality. All of whom spoke to the "inner knowing" of the Me-of-Me.

In my search to develop my abilities, I was led to a clairvoyance workshop with a psychic/teacher named Sharon Turner. In her Awakenings course, she also discussed the possibilities of Physical Immortality.

It seems the deeper I go, the more information flies to me, and speaks to my Soul about the reality of Physical Immortality.

By day (or rather by night) I am an RN, and I see the abuses of the medical system literally torturing the poor souls who have chosen Death... Death is not the enemy; it is a valid choice, and in some cases a blessed release.

I think that one must listen to their inner knowing, read, research, discuss, debate and internally contemplate the meaning of Life, Death and Immortality... and make what choices are best suited to the needs of our particular circumstances.

In terms of Linda... she was tired, she was ailing and she was, as I have said elsewhere, human and flawed, as are we all. She taught us to believe, she led us to the knowledge and the beginning of wisdom, and if that was her only mission, she accomplished it beautifully, as witness the success of her books and the very existence of this site!

The Choice as always remains with the individual... and we must accept, if not always condone, those choices. As the Nazarene has said so poetically stated;

7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

What more is there to say than...

Blessed Be, beloved of God...

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