posted October 13, 2003 03:22 AM         

1)Star Signs- first off, the guidelines for achieving immortality here are very unrealistic. The key element is to truly "believe" and have faith that it would work, right? Using that same logic, if I really believed that I can grow wings and fly like a bird, do you honestly think that it would work?? Physical immortality is not possible! Does anyone here know of any immortals that have lived well into thier hundreds? There is no such human living on this earth, past or present. If there was, trust me the whole world would know about it.

Meditating and visualizing your cells spiraling in the opposite direction is NOT going to make you immortal. How do you know if this is happening? It is not going to happen. You are only wishing it was happening. The power of the mind is strong, but c'mon now! There are limits. That is the equivalent of willing yourself to grow wings so you can fly! Linda doesn't give any scientific proof on this subject and there are alot of holes in her theories, which she covers up by saying that it's "divine knowledge" that will be revealed at another time. The truth is, there are no divine secrets. I don't think she knew them. Linda was a great astrologer, but an immortalist she was not. I don't mean to offend anyone here who is a fan of Linda, I enjoyed her writings too. I'm just pointing out the obvious. She did not practice what she preached.
I also don't recommend telling anyone about your "immortality" because your sanity will be questioned!

2)The Lion Path- This book is 100% mumbo jumbo. Just more ramblings that make absolutely no sense.

3)Alex Chiu's Immortality Rings- This is the most obvious scam out there. This guy claims to cure every disease known to man! LOL He doesn't have proof to back up his claims and if you read his FAQ, he can't really give good answers. He keeps repeating that the rings just work. His gimmick to make you want to buy the rings is by making you think that he is not out for money. He does this buy giving you instructions on how to make the rings yourself. Therefor, if they don't work, he can always come to his defense by saying that you must have done something wrong. Also, most human beings are lazy so they may want to just buy the rings anyway instead of making them. People will also buy into the scam that the rings work because he is telling you the "secret" of making them yourself and he is not out for money! That was a smart move on his part. I think it's really !@#&%$ up for him to mess with people's hopes, emotions, illness and money like that.

posted October 13, 2003 04:01 AM         

*scratches head* Um, isn't that the same thing??

"Everyone I know who chose the Immortal Path did so after hearing about it and having an internal "knowing." Sort of like a bell going off. It has very little to do with traditional "faith," so the sprouting of wings analogy isn't quite accurate."

Well,in every thread I've read on the subject here, the advice I see most from the people here is having faith or belief that it is possible. And what do you mean by internal "knowing"? If these people "know" that they are immortal then why do they have to use faith and meditation to remind them that they are immortal? How is the sprouting wings analogy not accurate? The process of cell regeneration requires you to will your cells to spiral in the opposite direction so that you can reverse your age, does it not? How is that any different from using your will to cause wings to sprout?

"I appreciate your effort to relay your ONION to us,"

My ONION?? LOL, ok now I'm lost!

"and I fully understand where you are coming from; however, you won't find much, if any, defending of our beliefs in Lindaland (especially on immortality). We just rarely do so."

posted October 13, 2003 06:49 AM         

Two comments in particular caught my attention.

“Linda doesn't give any scientific proof on this subject and there are alot of holes in her theories, which she covers up by saying that it's "divine knowledge" that will be revealed at another time. The truth is, there are no divine secrets. I don't think she knew them.”

In the interest of clarity, I would ask you to restate this. There are no divine secrets? Or there are divine secrets but Linda did not know them?

In either case for either conclusion however, I would object. If you are conversant with many traditions and you have devoted yourself to an in depth study of esoteric notions, you would take care with categorical statements such as the one(s) above.

“That is a shame. I find the topic very interesting and would like to further explore it and find out why so many people here are doing it. Being that everyone here is very serious about it, I was hoping for some intellectual insight on the subject.”

Since you would like to get your toes wet with this subject, I can oblige in a general way. The ancient Chinese had very clear notions of immortality and these notions exist into the present day in some selected Teachings. The ancient understanding has transmuted these immortal figures into gods and the present Teaching is similar in form to Linda's.

The notion of immortality also has a strong presence in the oral traditions of the Middle East. In the Quran, there is a story that was reproduced in a movie starring David Carradine (sp?) called “Circle of Iron”. According to oral tradition, the Sage in that story is one named “Khidr” or “Khizr”, the Green one, who is said to be an immortal who personally instructs the prophets and saints. (This story also exists in the Chinese Tradition which predates that of the Islamic version). There are many, many other stories in the oral and written traditions that detail the function of this immortal.

Now, it is quite possible to argue against all these notions based on the absence of “proof”. However, I would submit that “where there is smoke there is also fire” and many, many “impossibilities” have been proven possible with the passage of time (Newton anyone?). That is not to say that I advocate some of the interpretations that Linda’s Work has engendered. Like all other Teaching, it is open to interpretation and misinterpretation. But correcting one misinterpretation with another misinterpretation is not the way to clarity.

posted October 13, 2003 10:35 AM         

No, they are not the same thing at all. Obviously, one can't be immortal unless one first believes that it is a possibility. This is a big step in today's deathist society. Even with the internal knowing, we still have to practice "rituals" at first. This is because we are reversing years of false programing. We may have experienced a change in Consciousness, but we still have to pull some of our error-thinking out by the roots. For example, we slowly eliminate our death thoughts one by one as they rise to the surface and get rid of our deathist language (My arm is killing me, etc.). We do not have the genetic make-up to sprout wings, so that analogy is false. We do, however, have the genetic make-up to be immortal. It's written right in our genes. Some animals do not have death genes at all (sea life of several types, some microscopic life, and one particular species of sea gull). So see, even evolution creates immortals creatures! Humans have death genes (called M1 and M2, respectively) that can be maniplated in a lab. We can increase the age of a cell and then REVERSE it at will. All of this manipulation is scientific in every way. There are many things we can control with conscious effort and will--blood pressure, breathing, and yes, by reverse mental spirals we can turn off those death genes (but they are still there--ever present). ONION is a derivative of opinion. Like onions, opinions have many layers.

BRILLIANT observations, Meili! I totally agree.

posted October 13, 2003 01:15 PM         

Thinking is a good thing. You learn more when you question things and seek out answers. No, I'm not a Gemini. I'm an Aquarian.

"No, they are not the same thing at all. Obviously, one can't be immortal unless one first believes that it is a possibility."

In order for me to believe that it is a possibility, I first have to find out how true this is with proper research. Knowing that the possibility exists and believing it exists are two different things.

"We do not have the genetic make-up to sprout wings, so that analogy is false. We do, however, have the genetic make-up to be immortal. It's written right in our genes."

Where did you get this information? Can you back it up? If we have the genetic make up to be immortal, then why do we have death genes??

"Some animals do not have death genes at all (sea life of several types, some microscopic life, and one particular species of sea gull). So see, even evolution creates immortals creatures!"

Can you back up this information with facts?

"Humans have death genes (called M1 and M2, respectively) that can be maniplated in a lab. We can increase the age of a cell and then REVERSE it at will. All of this manipulation is scientific in every way."

Have there been any studies that prove this? Or is it just a belief?

"There are many things we can control with conscious effort and will--blood pressure, breathing, and yes, by reverse mental spirals we can turn off those death genes (but they are still there--ever present)."

I agree that we can manipulate certain body functions with meditation. I've seen it done with contortionist who manipulate thier bones, muscles and breathing to fit inside a small box. But c'mon, you can't change or manipulate your DNA unless it it done by genetic engineering and even that has limits. You can't make a person live forever. Everything in this world dies. It is a part of life. Since the beginning of time things have evolved and then died off. Even stars die. It's inevitable. If immortality is possible, why aren't there any true immortals out there that live well into thier hundreds?

posted October 13, 2003 01:45 PM         

I meant that there are no divine secrets that Linda supposedly knew about. Whenever someone doesn't back up a claim and tries to cover up the holes in thier philosophy by stating that they can't explain thier theories because there are "divine secrets or wisdom" that can not be revealed, I get suspicious.

"Since you would like to get your toes wet with this subject, I can oblige in a general way. The ancient Chinese had very clear notions of immortality and these notions exist into the present day in some selected Teachings. The ancient understanding has transmuted these immortal figures into gods and the present Teaching is similar in form to Linda's."

This is not fact, only myth.

"The notion of immortality also has a strong presence in the oral traditions of the Middle East. In the Quran, there is a story that was reproduced in a movie starring David Carradine (sp?) called “Circle of Iron”. According to oral tradition, the Sage in that story is one named “Khidr” or “Khizr”, the Green one, who is said to be an immortal who personally instructs the prophets and saints. (This story also exists in the Chinese Tradition which predates that of the Islamic version). There are many, many other stories in the oral and written traditions that detail the function of this immortal."

Again, these are just stories. There are many stories written about dragons, elves and unicorns. It doesn't mean that they are true.

"Like all other Teaching, it is open to interpretation and misinterpretation. But correcting one misinterpretation with another misinterpretation is not the way to clarity."

I wasn't misinterpreting anything, I was just asking valid questions.

posted October 13, 2003 06:12 PM         

However ...

The tat for tat style of the post so far is having me nervous that this may degenerate into something ugly. Please play nice.

posted October 13, 2003 09:49 PM         

“I meant that there are no divine secrets that Linda supposedly knew about. Whenever someone doesn't back up a claim and tries to cover up the holes in their philosophy by stating that they can't explain their theories because there are "divine secrets or wisdom" that can not be revealed, I get suspicious. “

Suspicion is often positive since it can lead to further investigation and “seeking”. Suspicion can be negative if it causes one to categorically reject notions without further investigation.

My experience with Linda’s work is limited to one text that my Teacher instructed me to read. This work served as a “primer”, if you will, that allowed me make use of further teachings in related subjects. Primers are summaries or shortcuts that compile and consolidate certain fundamental concepts. With this understanding, you can see that I do not view Linda’s work as a “philosophy” as such. The basics are there in her Work, but are not sufficient, in and of themselves, to allow fundamental changes in the psyche that higher Teaching requires.

There are divine secrets AND wisdom that cannot be revealed for two primary reasons. First, the proposed student may spend more time arguing particulars and requesting proof than actually finding the practical application of the information. Second, the information may not be useful to the prospective student or may actually harm or regress the soul. The Teacher is privy to the state of the student and/or audience that is being addressed and can thus determine what is appropriate to relate and what is inappropriate to relate. If one presumes to have the wisdom of the Teacher then one cannot be a student. If one does not wish to be, or cannot be, a student then one should accept existence as it is and cease seeking the transcendental.

"Since you would like to get your toes wet with this subject, I can oblige in a general way. The ancient Chinese had very clear notions of immortality and these notions exist into the present day in some selected Teachings. The ancient understanding has transmuted these immortal figures into gods and the present Teaching is similar in form to Linda's."

“This is not fact, only myth. “

Yes, I have had this discussion with others concerning the nature of what we call “facts”. The western scientific cultural milieu has created a self generating prison that renews itself daily and presents fewer and fewer opportunities for liberation. In the history of human existence, fact has become myth and myth has become fact, and the flow of this transmutation is an endless stream. Depending on where one is in this flow, one will perceive a single thing as either fact or myth. In this age, we are at a certain location in the flow and our perceptions are relative to that location.

(This story also exists in the Chinese Tradition which predates that of the Islamic version). There are many, many other stories in the oral and written traditions that detail the function of this immortal."

Again, these are just stories. There are many stories written about dragons, elves and unicorns. It doesn't mean that they are true.

Yes, and there was a story about Troy, and Helen of Troy. One man believed that such a city existed and he found it. Should we presume that Troy existed and Helen did not? Shall we wait for another visionary archeologist to unearth a text that actually retells the ancient story told in Homer’s work? Or is it sometimes easier to give the instructor/information bearer the benefit of the doubt?

"Like all other Teaching, it is open to interpretation and misinterpretation. But correcting one misinterpretation with another misinterpretation is not the way to clarity."

I wasn't misinterpreting anything, I was just asking valid questions.

Yes, but we should realize that questions are not all one thing. If a question is asked without proper receptivity to the answer, then one will have asked a thing that does not and cannot result in satisfaction. And so we return to the state of the seeker, if one wishes to be termed as such.

Peace
Meili

posted October 13, 2003 09:49 PM         

I would sincerely hope that any exchange that I participated in would not degenerate. That is not to say that there will be no tension. A string is tuned by applying tension. However, I do understand that your concern is that the string not break in that process. Thus, I will most respectfully bow out of any dialog whose tone tends in a direction you deem to be not appropriate to your forum.

Respectfully.
Meili

posted October 14, 2003 01:39 AM         

From what I've seen thumbing through the threads so far,you are a popular poster on this subject. But when I ask you to back up your claims, you don't have the time. Hmm...
Well, there was no need to keep volleying back and forth. It just clutters up the thread, and I'm sure that's not what people want to read. It was really simple. All I asked you for was the source of your information. A book or magazine you have read, a website, a television program, etc.

"but the science part of what I have discussed can be found in Deepak Chopra's book Ageless Body Timeless Mind. If you get that book, you will see validation on death genes, species without them, how thought affects us at both the cellular level and quantum level, and much more."

posted October 14, 2003 02:18 AM         

"The tat for tat style of the post so far is having me nervous that this may degenerate into something ugly. Please play nice."

I don't want a mud slinging contest here either. But also realize it's just good healthy debate. It gets the mind ticking! I want the conversation to remain intelligent and insightful. Which is why I am asking alot of questions and trying to research more on the subject.

Meili Zhiwei wrote:

"There are divine secrets AND wisdom that cannot be revealed for two primary reasons. First, the proposed student may spend more time arguing particulars and requesting proof than actually finding the practical application of the information."

What is wrong with questioning? That is how we get a better understanding of things and also how we learn. It is our human nature to question. If not, how is anything ever built?Blind belief is just not healthy in my opinion. hehe ONION

"Second, the information may not be useful to the prospective student or may actually harm or regress the soul."

How so? If your supposed to be bestowing devine wisdom upon someone, why would that cause them harm?

"The Teacher is privy to the state of the student and/or audience that is being addressed and can thus determine what is appropriate to relate and what is inappropriate to relate"

Why not be your own teacher? Assuming that you have a very healthy sound mind, only you really know what's best for you. Linda was correct when she said that you are your own GURU.

"Yes, but we should realize that questions are not all one thing. If a question is asked without proper receptivity to the answer, then one will have asked a thing that does not and cannot result in satisfaction. And so we return to the state of the seeker, if one wishes to be termed as such."

posted October 14, 2003 02:09 PM         

Radio waves always existed, but we have only recently learned to transmit and receive them. The same is true of X-rays and microwaves and many other things that are now taken for granted. Still, if a person in, say for example, the year 1512 would have realized that radio waves and X-rays were floating around unseen in Earth's atmosphere, how would that person have been able to prove it? Would the fact that they could not prove it mean that radio waves don't exist?

Randall is right about scientific evidence regarding the cause of aging. Deepak Chopra isn't the only person to address it. Check out the newest information gleaned since the human gemome has been mapped. Scientific American has some good articles and, if you are close to any major university, simply go to their library and check out all the latest scientific news. Certain components of cells have been located that seem to regulate aging. One component specifically is a part of cells that gets shorter and shorter until it disappears and the cell dies. Scientists are tryng to figure out how to stop this from happening and, from what I remember, are having some success. My apologies for not quoting specific artilces where I read these items, but I am not a medical doctor and I read volumes of information. I wouldn't want to misquote anything due to the fact that I don't have it in written format in front of me.

Meili also has some very valid points. Many myths and legends have turned out to be the basis of truth. As I said, I am not a medical doctor, but I am a professional archaeologist and historian. When we are trying to study any culture or any time period, the first thing we look at are the myths and legends. Most turn out to be very informative and, when viewed properly, almost always point to verifiable proofs. (Example: Gilgamesh (or Noah) and the Flood. I'm not saying the religious contexts are provable, but some flood "myths" definitely point to 10,000 years ago when there were major changes in the landscape and climate caused when the last ice age ended. Before science knew about that, the legends pointed us in the right direction.) Meili is also correct about some knowledge or concepts being discussed only when the student is ready. (I am not saying that you are or are not ready. I'm speaking generally.) You can certainly be your own guru. You can also be your own Physics teacher. Either way, you will need a lot of studying, patience, and understanding. Trying to teach Kindergarteners to factor polynomials can be rather frustrating to both student and teacher. (Once again, I do not mean to imply that you are a Kindergartener. I have no idea what you know or may have studied.) Simply demanding to be taught things or to be shown proof seldom works in any field of study. If you don't see the logic in something, keep looking. Most people have something of value to pass on to others.

Finally, cudos to you for persuing things that interest you. I agree with you that thinking is good. I would merely suggest that before you decide something is uninformed crap, you take a careful look at all the possibilities. That said, I don't think magnetic rings are very likely to confer immortality. It is kind of like looking for a watermelon with a metal detector. Sure, you might find one, but it will be because you are looking, not because of the tool you use while you are looking.

posted October 14, 2003 11:02 PM         

Meili Zhiwei wrote:
"There are divine secrets AND wisdom that cannot be revealed for two primary reasons. First, the proposed student may spend more time arguing particulars and requesting proof than actually finding the practical application of the information."

S wrote:
What is wrong with questioning? That is how we get a better understanding of things and also how we learn. It is our human nature to question. If not, how is anything ever built?Blind belief is just not healthy in my opinion. hehe ONION

You have ignored my last statement that proposes that not all questions are one thing. It is human nature to question. It is also human nature to assume, presume and mistrust. Combine all these aspects of human nature, and you will often get the answer that you are presuming to get, the answer that you trust, and not necessarily the answer that is closest to what is Real.

Most all of human existence operates on blind belief. To impose on Fish Kitten’s metaphor, when you memorize the quadratic formula, you are “assuming” that a master before you has “proved” what you are memorizing. In this relationship there is the dynamic of Master and Student which is premised on a foundation of trust. So, one possible distinction between various question types is to say that, there are questions that are premised on trust that the person communicating the answer is “trustworthy”, and there are questions that are premised on mistrust, and therefore the answer will be ignored, however accurate it may be.

MZ wrote:
"Second, the information may not be useful to the prospective student or may actually harm or regress the soul."

S wrote:
How so? If your supposed to be bestowing devine wisdom upon someone, why would that cause them harm?

I will make some assumptions here. Assume that you are an intellectual, modern individual who disdains traditional ritual and formulaic worship. Your spiritual Teacher arrives and tells you to don the white robes of a Buddhist ascetic and wonder around with a begging bowl and to repeat a certain mantra in a foreign tongue. You would certainly have no way of knowing that this person was your spiritual Teacher and would mistrust the instructions. Therefore, you are likely to ignore the instructions.

Now, fifteen years after this encounter, you have obtained a PhD in harmonics and ethnomusicology and you have begun to explore the further reaches of your musical specialty. In this research, you begin an investigation of Buddhist chants and mantras recited by Masters who can alter their brain waves and body chemistry through changing the vibration of the their voice. You can now entertain the possibility that there is more to this “chanting ritual” then mere mimicry.

Your teacher reappears and explains to you that you were meant to begin these exercises to accelerate your research and understanding of your research in your chosen “profession”. As it is, what you could have mastered in five years with practice combined with intellectualism, instead took fifteen years. You have lost ten years. Finally, from this perspective, you understand that you should trust this Master and follow the instructions.

Therefore, when he tells you that the color white vibrates most harmoniously to your soul frequency and that donning white will speed the evolution of your understanding, you are unlikely to begin a BA, MA and PhD in color theory before taking his instructions to heart and visiting the local Krishna store to purchase white clothing.

We shall leave the begging and its function to your own imagination.

So, can we now say that if the information is give too early, the student can be “harmed” and/or “regressed”?

MZ wrote:
"The Teacher is privy to the state of the student and/or audience that is being addressed and can thus determine what is appropriate to relate and what is inappropriate to relate"

S wrote:
Why not be your own teacher? Assuming that you have a very healthy sound mind, only you really know what's best for you. Linda was correct when she said that you are your own GURU.

If you have a heart attack, and you have a healthy sound mind, would you presume to perform bypass surgery on yourself?

Some spiritual ills can be cured with self medication (aspirin) while others require the intervention of a specialist (where trust is implicit) as in the case of diabetes (insulin injections and levels must be taught). Finally there are spiritual ills that require a surgeon and skills that cannot be transferred or taught to you.

MZ wrote:
"Yes, but we should realize that questions are not all one thing. If a question is asked without proper receptivity to the answer, then one will have asked a thing that does not and cannot result in satisfaction. And so we return to the state of the seeker, if one wishes to be termed as such."
S says

S wrote:
I am receptive to many ideas that are logical. I'm only unsatisfied with answers that beat around the bush and that are not clear.

Has this elaboration engendered clarity? If yes, perhaps your assumptions are at work. If no, perhaps your assumptions are at work. In either case, we have not addressed the illness, only the symptoms.

Peace
Meili

posted October 15, 2003 04:39 PM         

"You have ignored my last statement that proposes that not all questions are one thing. It is human nature to question. It is also human nature to assume, presume and mistrust. Combine all these aspects of human nature, and you will often get the answer that you are presuming to get, the answer that you trust, and not necessarily the answer that is closest to what is Real."

I think I can be a better judge of what's real or not by asking questions and having some kind of small doubt, rather than blindly accepting what is told to me. It is human nature to mistrust, and that is there for a reason. That is our gut telling us that something is wrong.

MZ wrote:

"Most all of human existence operates on blind belief."

Um, not all of us do. Only sheep that have herd mentality.

MZ wrote:

"I will make some assumptions here. Assume that you are an intellectual, modern individual who disdains traditional ritual and formulaic worship. Your spiritual Teacher arrives and tells you to don the white robes of a Buddhist ascetic and wonder around with a begging bowl and to repeat a certain mantra in a foreign tongue. You would certainly have no way of knowing that this person was your spiritual Teacher and would mistrust the instructions. Therefore, you are likely to ignore the instructions."

I don't believe in these mystical gurus and avaters who's main purpose in life is to magically pop up in peoples lives to enlighten them with "divine wisdom". Now I'm not saying that we can't learn from anybody. Most of what we all know was taught to us by someone else like our parents, school, books, T.V., the Internet, etc. I just don't buy into the whole "spiritual teacher" or Master Guru thing. Those type of people tend to be power hungry manipulative freaks. *cough, cough* Heaven's Gate. The whole idea is very creepy and cultish. So having said that, I think I am happy with exploring my spiritual evolution on my own or with those I love and trust.

MZ wrote:

"...Your teacher reappears and explains to you that you were meant to begin these exercises to accelerate your research and understanding of your research in your chosen “profession”. As it is, what you could have mastered in five years with practice combined with intellectualism, instead took fifteen years. You have lost ten years. Finally, from this perspective, you understand that you should trust this Master and follow the instructions."

No time lost for me. It was a learning experience I achieved on my own.

MZ wrote:
"If you have a heart attack, and you have a healthy sound mind, would you presume to perform bypass surgery on yourself?"

Duh, of course not. You can't compare this analogy with some crazy guru popping up at my door wanting me to carry a begging bowl and chant mantras dressed in all white. LOL

MZ wrote:

"Some spiritual ills can be cured with self medication (aspirin) while others require the intervention of a specialist (where trust is implicit) as in the case of diabetes (insulin injections and levels must be taught). Finally there are spiritual ills that require a surgeon and skills that cannot be transferred or taught to you"

posted October 15, 2003 05:07 PM         

"Suc, you sincerely WANT to believe, or else you would not be here trying to make sense of it all. So, Deepak Chopra's book will be a good start for you."

Well of course I would like to believe. Who doesn't want eternal life? I would like to believe alot of things but unfornately just because we are uncomfortable with certain realities like death, we can not change them or ignore that they are there. We have to come to accept it. Nature created death so that there will be no over population. Do you think immortals are gonna want to stop populating?? I think not. Until there is proof, I can't just blindly accept physical immortality. Or at least enough proof to make the idea promising.

posted October 16, 2003 12:01 AM         

Sorry, just trying to introduce a little humor into the string.

Succubus-- I am also a sceptic of immortality, though I am willing to consider the possibility that it works. I would urge you to read Chopra's book (something I haven't done) and debunk his work before you declare it completely bogus.

MZ-- As I recall, the Chinese belief about immortality was something like: "Have sex with 30 virgins every day and you will become immortal." Thirty virgins=a lot of children=immortality, of a sort.

posted October 16, 2003 07:27 AM         

"As I recall, the Chinese belief about immortality was something like: "Have sex with 30 virgins every day and you will become immortal." Thirty virgins=a lot of children=immortality, of a sort."

I had a nice chuckle with this one! Many thanks.

Nice side point as well. There are many forms of immortality. If the body is needed, it will continue to exist for as long as it has a function. However, the function of the body is to house the soul and manifest the divine on earth. The body does not exist for physical pleasure alone(although that does come as a side effect).

I suspect a more common occurance is what one may term a "lengthy" earthly life that may span centuries. Movements are slow on this plane however, so I suspect a century would feel like a thousand years to a soul! I will happily pass on that blessing . 70 or 80 years is more than enough for me!

Peace and laughter Queen.