posted March 13, 2005 10:33 AM         

I just wanted to add examples of how thoughts incite feelings.

If you comprehend a certain situation it may make you angry. (You made yourself angry in fact.) How you think about it may incite anger or fear. Or it may not bother you at all. ie. a boyfriend gives you nothing on Valentines day. You would think, "What does it mean, he does not love you?" You may get angry or you may blow it off depending on how you think, or take it up with him. (Then get angry or sad with his reaction to your questioning if you see it as a bad reaction.)

If you hear something and think about it. It may make you happy. ie. someone saved a baby from a fire, (I read about it in the news). That is good news, brings a smile to my face and makes my day.

Without conscious thought, IMO, we would be like the animals incapable of feeling in these ways.

posted March 13, 2005 11:05 AM         

No, I still disagree with a majority of what you said. We are coming from opposite ends of the spectrum here. I wont bother quoting your words and going into it more though, kind of a waste of time. And since it's your last post anyway, it doesnt really matter! Works out great! It's been nice discussing though.

posted March 13, 2005 07:26 PM         

But here goes.

I don't really like posting.

I said it plainly before:

"I like the shadows a lot better than being out in the open like this."

To someone who noticed and thought about it, they may think, if someone is online everyday like they say, has been a member since 2002, and only has 100 posts, and said they liked the shadows better than being in the open posting, that individual might not like posting, discussing or interacting online, at least here at Linda Land.

It would make sense that that type of person would not post often. They tried it. Maybe didn't like it

But your previous post just makes me wonder.

Someone made a decision, offered the reason, and it was still not understood or any thought given it. That encourages me to no longer discuss anything at all, at least here at LL. It makes me wonder if perhaps my other posts were met the same way. Not really you 26T, but by any and everyone else. Fluff.(They were ideas similar to this one. No reason was offered though. It would be a given that they would be discussed.)

Posting would be a waste of time as I would just be handing out my thoughts and they would be flat as a board with no depth to them to anyone. Useless and meaningless as they have been in my other posts. Depth comes from the reader's mind/thought and perseption. If post are are read that way, without trying. It is a waste of time IMO.

Now I guess I will have to offer the reason I feel that way too. No one will understand. lol!!! I have a degree in Literature. All we do is analyze, thoughts, feelings, and philosophies in texts. That is my life. Perhaps I just feel it natural and necessary and would rather deal with people capable and willing to do the same. Perhaps that is why I went into education. (Secretly to encourage thought like this in college students. My agenda.)

That is my new reason for not posting. I just discovered it thanks to your last post.

Hope I explained myself and my reason well enough.

I'm not trying to insult you or anything, that is just my analysis of the situation put in writing. It's what I am thinking exposed since you say you didn't understand. Sorry if I seem mean. I am not trying to be. I'm not mad or anythign like that either. I am just being blunt so that no mistakes will be made. I think I may have been to blunt though. I apologize if it is so.

posted March 13, 2005 08:48 PM         

Hi FairyStar,

When I say it is a waste time it is because we are coming from VERY different places and that is okay. We both seem to understand the others perspective and they are very different. How long do we have to keep discussing it? I dont think there is anything left to discuss that's why I said it would be a waste of time. I am not looking to change anyone's mind or have them agree with my pov, so I find that after a certain point furthering a discussion is useless. It would just be saying the same things in different words and honestly that gets tiring. I'm glad you have your beliefs, I dont want to argue them.

I actually comprehend your posts very well, probably more than you think. You assumed no thought was given to your choice. I know very well why you made that choice and I think that is great. Do as you wish was all I was saying. I dont think anything here that has been said is a reason to leave LL, but do what you want! I wont be the one to talk you out of it!

I dont care if you would rather lurk than post. Honestly I am not judging you for that! It sounds like you think I am because you are defending that choice. Your choice to do that makes no difference to me, honestly. Yes, some people like shadows better than the light. Big deal. That doesnt make one better than the other. We're all different!

I'm sorry you feel misunderstood but that is not the case with me at least. And I do not feel insulted or offended by anything you said. Why would I? You seem to feel a little insulted though. But that is your choice. I in no way meant to be insulting towards you.

posted March 13, 2005 08:49 PM         

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That is my new reason for not posting. I just discovered it thanks to your last post.

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LOL! I'm glad I could teach you something. We should learn something from everyone we meet. Nice try, trying to make me feel like it's my fault you are leaving, but that doesnt work with me. I am your reason for not posting anymore? That's sad. You make your choices in life. Dont let others dictate you.

I am a little baffled as to why you would leave LL after this discussion between you and I. This has been pretty pleasant IMO. Though you seem to be getting a little worked up over nothing. But everyone is only looking at things through their own eyes and will see things accordingly.

posted March 13, 2005 10:59 PM         

And I was wrong? If you say so. lol!!! People type what they don't mean; Reason 3. That makes it hard to respond the right way. I am still here posting as the reasons pile up.

I'm not insulted. I just wanted to explain myself and show I how saw the situation. Like I said before. (like I plainly said before)

I don't "feel" misunderstood.

But I guess if you misunderstood those things in my post, thought I was worked up, insulted, and felt misunderstood, I was in fact misunderstood, by you. Or, you assumed I felt that way, and missed the fact that I just wanted to explain how I felt so that another may understand, when they said, "I do not understand". I even said I wasn't mad.

This is why all this is kinda stupid. I guess I ended up making stupid posts after all.

lol!!!

I understand why others have left. I'm not leaving LL. I never said that. I said I was going back to lurking. Remember? (I guess that idea is shot for the time being.)

This is what I was talking about in my last post. The reason I would be lurking instead of posting. lol!!! This is funny.

I don't think my posts are great. They are just thoughts and ideas. You assumed I believed them to be great. I just want to discuss and analyze instead of saying, oh yeah, that is good, or oh yeah, that is bad. Like I said in my other post. I don't even want people to agree with me. I would rather people think about it, have a debate with well-thought out examples presented on both sides and comparisons between data. That is the only way to learn.

That hasn't happened here in a loooooooong time IMO. It seems people just present info/articles around here nowadays and just say, "that is great" or "interesting". No body really discusses and brings to the table any texts to match it like they used to. I know where they all are though. It was worth a try. Randall might as well delete my account now too. I will still be here though. I will no thave left.

You are a little confusing. In your first post, you say you understand my choice, (despite the fact that you originally said you didn't) then in the second you say you are baffled by my choice.

Strange IMO.

I think I am making a troll of myself if people see me as insulted, misunderstood, mad, and worked up. I am not. I just wrote my thoughts. Not elaborations on my emotions. I was having a jolly time eating cheese pizza and watching cartoons as I wrote it. I never said I feel this way or that either. I just wanted to explain myself since you said you didn't understand. I just wanted to tell you. Plainly. Guess it was so plain it seemed as though I was insulted or upset.

I had fun in this thread all along to tell you the truth. I just thought... well, I told you.(in my last post) Fun, but a waste which I was trying to keep myself form doing. Deletion will tame the tempation of posting here again and I can get back to lurking.

posted March 14, 2005 03:34 AM         

Um yeah, strange indeed.

Briefly....

Welllll since you mentioned quite a few times that this was your "last post". I figured you meant here on LL, or possibly just this string. But from what you wrote below, it kind of makes it seem like you are leaving although you arent really here anyway......LOL Or you know you are but no one else does. Okaaaaayyyy??....

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Someone made a decision, offered the reason, and it was still not understood or any thought given it. That encourages me to no longer discuss anything at all, at least here at LL.

and said they liked the shadows better than being in the open posting, that individual might not like posting, discussing or interacting online, at least here at Linda Land.

That is my new reason for not posting. I just discovered it thanks to your last post.

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Wierd!

And I got the notion that you felt "misunderstood" by what you said here:

Someone made a decision, offered the reason, and it was still not understood or any thought given it

And oohhhh now "you understand why others have left."? Yeah, me too.

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I don't think my posts are great. They are just thoughts and ideas. You assumed I believed them to be great. I just want to discuss and analyze instead of saying, oh yeah, that is good, or oh yeah, that is bad.

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You indicated in a previous post that you wondered if "perhaps all of your other posts were met the same way - just Fluff - by any and everyone else." So that is where my comment came on that one.

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I would rather people think about it, have a debate with well-thought out examples presented on both sides and comparisons between data. That is the only way to learn.

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LOL And what you sit back and watch?
How do you expect to have a debate if all you do is lurk? Is it perhaps that you dont find anyone here worth debating with? The things they post are trivial to you and dont deserve a comment from you? Are you above everyone else here? You seem a little disgusted with the current LL by some of your comments, I dont understand why you would still want to lurk if youve been doing it for so long and you RARELY join in to discuss, it's a bit odd dont you think? Why dont you bring a few topics to the table you would like to see discussed? Oh yeah, youre too busy lurking. Give me a break!!!

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That hasn't happened here in a loooooooong time IMO. It seems people just present info/articles around here nowadays and just say, "that is great" or "interesting". No body really discusses and brings to the table any texts to match it like they used to. I know where they all are though. It was worth a try.

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Are you serious? What "was worth a try?" This???

posted March 14, 2005 03:36 AM         

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"It just seems all people do is present info/articles around here nowadays and just say "that's great'"

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ROFL!!! AND WHAT DO YOU DO????

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"No body really discusses and brings to the table any texts to match it like they used to."

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Yes, the times they have a changed my dear and they will keep on doing so. Dont live in the past forever. Why are you waiting for the change you wish to see. BE what you want to see here. Then maybe more people or immortals that are to your liking or level will show up!

If you know where they all are why not spend more time with them then. Instead of peering at us from within the shadows obviously bothered that things arent like the ole days of LL. Seems like a big waste of time to me. Those days you speak of are over and will never be back again. Why waste your time wishing or longing for them? Why not attempt to make a change? If you are dissapointed that people only post articles and leave short comments, why not do something different. Sorry but the things that get posted here are better than nothing at all! And if you are unhappy with what you see here today, why stay and lurk???

Seriously, it's really weird.

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Randall might as well delete my account now too. I will still be here though. I will no thave left.

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Ummm...that's great hon. Nice to know you'll be keeping an eye on us all!

posted March 14, 2005 03:37 AM         

Well anyway! I'm glad we can both agree that we had some fun in this thread.

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Deletion will tame the tempation of posting here again and I can get back to lurking.
I've been lurking for years, and long before you came along.

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LOL!!! Good for you FairyStar, good for you. Keep up the good work.
Youre an immortal right? That's good.

posted March 14, 2005 09:00 AM         

26T, I only offered my reasons on why I lurk and don't post. Not everyone is going to think the same way or view things similarly. I thought you said you accepted differences. Try and accept that I am just weird then. lol!! It seems you do not like them or agree and you now seem to be asking me to justify my reason for still being here.

That makes sense. I offered the why I lurk and not post, now it is time to say why I am still here. Fair enough. I must now defend my reason for being here since the previous post would imply I would have left by now. I will try my best to explain why in my next post.

I really am not worked up as you seem to think. I would say so if I was angry. There is no shame in anger or frustration IMO. The only thing I felt was humor. I thought it funny and showed so in my posts.

Like when you first said you did not understand my decision. I followed up with the reason. Then, you replied that you knew all along why, and in fact understood form the beginning. Right after the post saying this, you flipped and said you were baffled by the decision. I did not know how to respond to this, and thought it funny to try. I even said it was strange because whichever way I went with it, it would probably be wrong. (I guess I should have said that in the post.) That was hilarious. I saw it as funny anyhow. My inability to respond. The situation itself was funny.

Perhaps I wrote the wrong words and put periods in incorrect places to give the impression I was worked up.

It seems you are now frustrated and/angry about my shared thoughts though. Maybe I am making the same mistake you did but it does. But you know what they say about assuming. lol!!! If you are, don't let words and code from a "ghost" get to you. Unless you want to, that is. It is only the internet and a faceless person writting to you. For the most part I'm only looking at it as text.

I'm just posting to explain, and now defend my thoughts and purpose of being here. Since they are weird.

If you are not angry, ignore what I said about the code, and internet.

posted March 14, 2005 09:09 AM         

I know it seems as though I was being mean or insulting in my post explaining why I was lurking, but you said you didn't understand so I just posted what I had thought all along and my reasons. Don't take offense. I was just being truthfull. I wouldn't lie about the reason regardless of if it would be seen as negative or positive. But I will explain it.

I'm just being honest again in this post.

When I said I knew why they left, I meant other members who left in the past. I was refering to them. Not myself. lol!!!

Nope. I didn't feel misunderstood. A person has to "think" about a subject to "misunderstand" it. If no thinking occurred, no misunderstanding could take place. I said I didn't think anyone would think about it.

At the end of that post, I said I might be wrong in my evaluation of how things went down, but that was how I saw it at the moment. I left open the possibility that I was wrong. The example of your last post proved me wrong, a bit.

You've got it all wrong T. I love Linda, and Lindaland. I've stuck with it through the years for personal reasons, even though things changed. Not because posts were good. Most likely because I am attached to it, and feel loyalty in a weird way. It is hard to break a habit. I just feel comfortable here. To just pull up the site on my PC everyday. (my homepage in fact) I don't know much about Linda and it is great to read new info on her too. That is one reason why I am here.

I don't post because I don't think I have anything to add 99.9% of the time. Either that, or I have seen it elsewhere and burnt myself out on discussing it and look for somethign else. I like lurking. Not because I feel I am better than anyone, or because they, as people aren't worth my comment. (I'm talking to you right? lol!!!) I just don't have anything to say and/or I want to see how the info presented fits into my schema (if the info is new). In addition to that, it didn't feel right to be out.

Since you asked, I will tell you. I have been tempted to post threads here many times but I always hesitated. Like I wasn't supposed to or something. I said so a long time ago in one thread as well.

You may think that is weird too, but you said yourself, feelings don't always come from the head. After what went down with Carlo (don't know the entire story though), everything was a mess. And feeling changed.

I'm not longing for them. There was a mass Exodus from LL and they created their own forum Spiral Path. I joined but never left this place completely like others may have. You should drop by if you are not already a member BTW. :P Very peaceful, quiet place. I may not discuss much on LL, but I do my share there. I think I was looking for the same here.

I agree this attempt was rather poor. It led to something others might see as negative. If it seems as though I meant I burdened myself to bring back the olden days, that is not the way I meant it. I meant the banter between members, not just me, and how this thread turned out. It takes more than one member to make a thread. (Not really "make" a thread but you know what I mean, I hope) I could never match the charisma of Yivy. Yellow Ace even had more charisma than me in fact. I loved his book by the way.

I also agree that what is offered is better than nothing but like you implied. I was just expecting something else when I emmerged again. I maybe attempting to transpose the other site, Spiral Path here. Either that or the past with the present. I can't deny one of those may have had something to do with it.

"LOL!!! Good for you FairyStar, good for you. Keep up the good work.
Youre an immortal right? That's good."

Seeing how you are a moderator, and one who says they feel humanity is one, I will consider that was a sincere comment from someone also on the path and not judgement of character/morals/personality, etc. on a few posts. Yes, I am following an immortalist path.

posted March 14, 2005 11:10 AM         

"When I said I knew why they left, I meant other members who left in the past." .....I know what you meant Fairrrry. My response was made in an understanding of that. (I think our Mercurys square each other.)

I'll stop here. I think it's gone far enough. Consider each of my responses however you will, wisecracks and all. Yes, I have a Moderator title but I am just another Knowflake on her journey with nothing to prove to anyone. A sometimes sarcastic and always outspoken Knowflake and you either like that or leave it. (I dont mean leave the site) Yes, we are all just trying to "make it". We are actually all exactly where we need to be.

posted March 15, 2005 11:43 AM         

Thank you 26T.

posted March 15, 2005 03:06 PM         

*deleted the rest*