posted February 27, 2005 05:05 PM         

Anywho, I might suggest reading as many old threads as you can, click on the little numbers on the bottom of each forum, to go back in time!
Start at the last page, and work your way through! I suggest Oranges and Hyacinths, Lexigram Magic, Lindas Life, and Universal Codes.
Just pick any threads that stand out for you!

Have you read Gooberz yet?
If you haven't I suggest you do!

posted March 01, 2005 02:42 PM         

Welcome!

posted March 11, 2005 05:04 PM         

1. why can't animals be immortal? Are they not more evovled then we are? Or at least, dogs?
2. Why is it bad karma not to want to have babies (Linda Goodman talked about it in Star Signs)
3. How do you freeze your cells so you look the same after a few decades?
4. How do you open up the intuition? And connect with your spirit guide and all?
5. How many spirit guides do you have exactly?

posted March 11, 2005 05:43 PM         

I know my answers are generally overly simple, but I'm sure someone will come along and do a better job. However, I hope I pointed you down some paths that will help.

posted March 11, 2005 07:48 PM         

Dolphins first popped into my mind too, I guess most animals' death instincts come into play like us.
Remember, man taught animals to eat another animals flesh.
There might be a clue.

About the having babies thing? I guess I would think the same as Grasshopper, why deny a spirit a body temple?
And if you can't have children, maybe that's karma. Expect a Miracle is what came into mind then.

When I spiral my cells, I imagine all of them spinning, and I reverse their direction, from clock wise to anti-clock wise. And I mentally image them stopping at a certain point. I've had a comment or two the day after I started. That synchroncity was to say "hey, it's working!".
Hey what does 222 and @@@ mean?

...@ looks like a spiral.

I think Grasshopper answered perfectly about the intuition thing and the spirit guid quetion, it just comes naturally if you be yourself.

Spiral on this: BEING= BEGIN

posted March 11, 2005 11:35 PM         

You would have to consciously decide to help them; go against your instincts for the benefit of others, not your personal physical being.

Going against your instincts would give you good Karma in that case I am thinking.

(My reasoning: When you choose not to have babies, that is also a conscious decision. Having babies just because of instinct is just as it implies, unconscious and by instinct. That is, if you consider instinct type birth the way animals do it; mating just because the season is right. Defying instinct to give birth and consciously considering the child itself in your decision is good karma IMO. Questioning, is it best to bring a child into a world, and are you capable of handling a child. Considering those things would benefit others and probably improve Karma rather than giving negative. Having babies just because you can with disregard to societies condition, environment, and health would make things worse for others and yourself. Maybe.)

It probably depends on the thought and intention behind not having children. Whether the decision was based in love or in selfishness/fear. I don't believe karma to be black and white like that.

I thought I should add, that since starting my path of immortality, I have lost all motivation to have children. Perhaps that has something to do with Karma.

I think Randall put it pretty good: "...many people have an instinctive and somewhat evolutionary need to procreate to pass on their gene pool. Immortals would override this and only have children that are truly wanted, Loved, and that they have the illusory time available to care for properly."
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000019.html

posted March 12, 2005 10:50 AM         

222 @@@ is spiraling one way (starting out on the 2) and then reversing the spiral (finishing like the @).

posted March 12, 2005 05:46 PM         

Instinct is something everyone would have, I'm thinking, like the procreation matter and survival of self. Since everyone does not possess it, love for all like ones own child and the will to protect all like that, I consider it an individual "choice", subconscious or conscious.

I view animals as the example of what is instinctive and though I have seen them help each other at times, I do not believe any I have seen to have love for their entire species as their own young. (if they actually love their young)

My reasoning on that type of love: For someone to possess love for all parallel to how they feel about their young, you would have to consider the environment an individual grew up in, the influences of their parents, and their own conscious view of the world and humans in it. That probably set the foundation of those thoughts and feelings. How they think, determines how they feel and how they feel determines how they act and the how they act determines how they feel and think and so on.

If some people love the world's people like their own child/family,and are willing to protect them as such, they are a very special individuals. I wouldn't call it instinctive though. Maybe you would. I just wouldn't. That is okay. I would say their souls were advanced/evolved. Either that or they have very strong beliefs and hold them in spite of the horrors humanity shows them. (their parents did a good job)

So if they jumped into a burning building to save others, it was probably a reaction based on their beliefs. Instant reaction based on schema. They have learned to love everyone so they will react accordingly without hesitation.

Perhaps it is similar to a person who drops a glass cup while someone stands nearby. They other person may try to catch it and save it from breaking, not because they like the cup, but because they just don't want it to break. That would be bad. Saving it is the right thing to do. They didn't think about it, they just reacted based on prior learning.

In the burning building case, the victim is human and you can relate to them. The victim has felings and all, right. The underlying message society gives is that you are supposed to help others, be kind, love all, etc. Be a good citizen. A fly by the seat reaction to save others would occur in one who has integrated this type of thinking into their schema.

posted March 13, 2005 04:42 AM         

If you truly feel that you are One, that each person is a part of you and we are all in this together it makes sense. That by hurting one - and even yourself - you are affecting the Whole. That by saving another you have saved yourself in a way because we are not seperate.

Self Love must first and foremost be achieved, remembered, learned for one to be able to love another like they love themselves. The most important person to love is yourself first. By doing that you are doing the whole world a great service. And by Loving yourself you cannot look at another as seperate from you.

Yes, "the underlying message that society gives is to help others, be kind, love all, etc." But unfortunately they leave out the part that you can never truly do that until you fully love yourself. That part gets skipped over. Most people dont love themselves, though they may think they do.

Why are you helping others? To feed your own ego? Or is it coming from a more pure place? Are you doing it because you were told to or because you want to? There's a big difference. Is it coming from your ego center or heart center?

posted March 13, 2005 07:19 AM         

So, if innate traits can be lost, but then relearned, how do you know in fact that it was innate, and not just something you are able to learn, and consider innate after the fact because it is a beautiful thought, etc.

It sounds similar to the original sin debate to me. Just a tad.

I guess one would need religion and/or their own philosophy of that. Like what you and I have. Mine is that I consider humans to be a blank slate when they are born. (mostly only when it comes to love, and hate. And beside the way a mother feels about her own young later in life. I think that may be innate. But it may be learned from example when she was an infant herself :O . Her mother's actions stored in mind and awaiting the day she would become a mother.)

I was actually raised to love everyone and be kind. I have never thought otherwise because I just feel that is the way things are supposed to be. (because of conditioning probably) I can't change how I think, or feel, it just happens because of my experiences in childhood and with my close community. I didn't watch TV or listen to the radio until I was about 17. I didn't know about bad stuff until after I had a foundation of how things were supposed to be (from family, and community). There were no outside influences from the negative.

It can work in the opposite direction too.

No need to say, I was shocked when I started to experience the world more.

"If you truly feel that you are One, that each person is a part of you and we are all in this together it makes sense. That by hurting one - and even yourself - you are affecting the Whole. That by saving another you have saved yourself in a way because we are not seperate."

Yeah, you would have to think/believe that way, to feel that way. Rationalize about it. That is what I was saying. You would have to actually comprehend that togetherness. Where would a person get the idea that they should in fact feel as one with others from. That that is right. Probably a religious, spiritual or philosophical movement. (or maybe it is a person's own invented philosophy)

"Why are you helping others? To feed your own ego? Or is it coming from a more pure place? Are you doing it because you were told to or because you want to? There's a big difference. Is it coming from your ego center or heart center?"

If you are asking me, I have no answer. I just do what I feel is right in most cases, by my own philosophies, how I feel, and how I have learned, (been programmed?).

If you are asking generally, probably because we have learned it is right for religious or spiritual reasons, etc. Programmed so to speak in some cases, or conditioned if you will. Or for the same reasons as me. The reasons you said as well, definitely.

"Sorry if that sounded like I was preaching or something. It wasnt directed at you. Just my opinion or feelings on things."

That is okay. That is all anyone ever does online, I have come to realize over time. It doesn't matter IMO, as long as you aren't cussing and carrying on lol!!!. You are all right with me.

posted March 13, 2005 09:37 AM         

When I speak of innate traits that need to be relearned I mean the ones that we have lost as we grow up and become conditioned by society and beliefs and lies, etc that we are taught. We learn negativity, fear etc. That is what I mean. How do I know in fact it was innate? Because I think when we are born all we know is Love we are taught how NOT to love, so it must be relearned (I dont mean to say that we are not taught at all how to love but we are usually taught how to love in a conditional and dysfunctional way). Though one never fully forgets Love because it is what we are, we all could use a little "relearning". That is part of being human though. If we were perfect we wouldnt be here. We are here to learn and RElearn.

Like you, I think humans are born a blank slate. And they learn positive and negative from their parents, society and environment. That is what I mean when I am speaking of the innate and relearning. It takes work to undo the negative things we have been taught. We all have them, no matter what kind of family you were raised in.

I too was raised to be loving and kind to everyone, though my family wasnt without its quirks, like everyones. Wasnt allowed to watch too much TV and was a pretty innocent child. Most are but I think I was more than most I knew. Once I started making friends, went to school, started growing up - I was in for some real shockers. My eyes got opened up real wide, real fast. And my family was far from perfect but whos isnt?

This is what I'm talking about. You start to feel far away from that innocent person you were. Your whole world changes and you and everything you thought you knew, changes along with it. You lose faith and trust, feel lost at times. It happens to all of us. And you have to "relearn" how to go back. Or "unlearn" certain things, ways of thinking. See the world through childlike eyes again.

About feeling that we are One you replied:

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Yeah, you would have to think/believe that way, to feel that way. Rationalize about it. That is what I was saying. You would have to actually comprehend that togetherness. Where would a person get the idea that they should in fact feel as one with others from. That that is right. Probably a religious, spiritual or philosophical movement. (or maybe it is a person's own invented philosophy)

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No, actually it's nothing rational. At least for me. I havent rationalized my feelings on that because that is what they are, feelings. Feelings dont come from the head. People confuse feelings with thoughts. "You would have to comprehend that togetherness". No, it is not something that you can't comprehend, it just is. "Where would they get the idea that they in fact should feel one with others from?" Well, they might have heard it somewhere, perhaps read it in a book, or someone told it too them. Those are fine and dandy but they wont last too long if they are only planted in your head. Your mind will come up with ways to tell you that maybe that is wrong. You will question it and look at it from every possible angle. But if it is known in your heart center and not the head, it is a different Knowing. And one that you feel in every fiber of your being. That's when you know it's truth. But what's truth for one may not be for another. There is Universal Truth though.

I dont follow any one particular religious, spiritual or philisophical movement. I take bits and peices that feel right and resonate to me from many. I dont like following anyone's rules except my own. And I try to listen to my heart more than my head. Alot of people hear the voice of their head and mistake it for their heart. It's tricky. And I'm still learning to tell the two apart.

I dont know how good of a job I did explaining this because I'm tired atm and for me it is something I have a hard time explaining. But I'm sure you catch my drift.

posted March 13, 2005 09:49 AM         

I know that is what you meant. I typed my previous post knowing this.

I understand the way you think. I think, lol.

I still feel the same way I did before, in my heart, I also don't believe humans to be an emotion, like love. But only a being capable of love.

I understand differences, and how they make us unique and special. So it is all good.

I would rather not speak too much more. I like being in the shadows a lot better than in the open like this. lol!!! I think this will be my last post for a while. I'm always on here though.

Edit - Oh, I just saw. Of course you would have to comprehend the togetherness. If you know that you feel one with everyone and understand that you are one with them, and you consciously think yourself to be as such, (enough to type it and verbalize it), you are thinking and comprehending that belief. The comprehension may lead to feeling in this case too.

You said, "That by hurting one - and even yourself - you are affecting the Whole."

Thinking. Understanding and comprehending the situation.

"That by saving another you have saved yourself in a way because we are not seperate."

Thinking again based on the beleif and thought of oneness.

"Feelings dont come from the head. People confuse feelings with thoughts."

Feelings, thoughts. Thoughts originate feelings in some cases. They are not the same IMO.

If you comprehend a certain situation it may make you angry. (You made yourself angry in fact.) How you think about it may incite anger or fear. Or it may not bother you at all.

If you hear something and think about it. It may make you happy.

If someone tells you a joke, you have to comprehend and think of what is being said to laugh and feel happy.

If someone does something bad to an animal, you would have to understand that abuse was wrong and that the animal suffered in order to feel bothered by it or sad.

Like abortion. The thought of killing a baby angers people. Just the thought gets them mad. Some of them.

Without conscious thought, IMO, we would be like the animals incapable of feeling in these ways.

Forgive me if I seem too lazy to use forum codes. Slow connection down here. I'm trying to pack it all in this post since it will be my last. lol