posted September 06, 2005 03:45 PM         

They told me several times about how badly I'd hurt them, and so this is now removed. It is probably a bit much to expect that my perspective, would be anyone else's.

I still don't have the heart to intentionaly hurt people, particularly not those who I love, and my love is forever. So this rant has been removed. It still resides in cyberspace though, and will for as long as there IS cyberspace. It is my pain, manifested.

The link is here, Crisis and Observation and I am now done for awhile Lindaland, I'm sorry it had to be like this. Feel free to write, if you have a soul.

Otherwise, please don't bother.

daf

posted September 06, 2005 05:30 PM           

Since recently going through this myself, through you, I began to realize, that it isn't their fault, that they do not understand, because they have not reached that point, and we can always slip.
100% Faith is required, nothing else, not how you eat, or if you smoke, all you need is that leap in faith in the underlying Goodness of the Cosmos, everyhthing happens for a reason, with disruption, comes Change...

I'm sending you Love and Light

i understand and feel your pain

posted September 06, 2005 10:45 PM           

We are all learning here, and must forgive each other, all of this is happening for a reason, it's time to grow and know.

It's in the past, can't change it, but we can change the future for better.

posted September 06, 2005 11:00 PM           

Words of wisdom you speak, there's alot of us here, we can and will make a difference.
Mother and Father will look over us and keep us safe.
We must BELIEVE.

posted September 06, 2005 11:55 PM         

I do not take credit for the question.
We were all given the question by dafremen.
I am using it out of context, because the link use to be here, and it would have been known.

What would set us apart from animals and make us human beings in a time of crisis?

That is the basic question, but not as eloquent.

posted September 07, 2005 12:48 AM         

If my children were hungry and I had no food, would I steal or loot to save them? If I did steal or loot, who did I put myself before? I mean, what if the shop owner I looted from had a family 100, would my needs be more important? Or would I drop to my knees with 100% faith.

Is this what would set me apart? Is this what has set the people in New Orleans apart?

I think this is private, so I really do not want to answer the questions, but the question still stands.

posted September 07, 2005 01:41 AM         

I am just writing from the heart and it is pouring out. I do not know, or hope I don't come off like I do. I just keep thinking. I am just writing and thinking as I go, kinda like talking to yourself. hehe

But see, after all my thinking, I did not see what you did. I did not think of our ability to write, in terms of what would set us apart. I think daf used animals in his questions, because so much of our behavior is similiar to theirs. And so, what makes us special and so good of heart, to not be as animals. Does it make any damn difference? I'm just listening to my heart and I think it does.

Maybe I should sleep cause I'm half way there.

artlovesdawn
thank you for contemplating with me tonight, do you think there is power in numbers? I do and that makes me glad you were here. You too lotusheartone(of a kind)

posted September 07, 2005 03:27 AM         

your words carry so much pain, my heart goes out to you.

for the reasons that you're suffering, for the things that hurt your soul, i hope you find some ease and comfort and love.

i'm sending a big helping of love and healing light to you, dear soul.

posted September 07, 2005 08:50 AM         

*Assault*

I had forgotten how the frogs must sound
After a year of silence, else I think
I should not so have ventured forth alone
At dusk upon this unfrequented road.

I am waylaid by Beauty. Who will walk
Between me and the crying of the frogs?
Oh, savage Beauty, suffer me to pass,
That am a timid woman, on her way
From one house to another

Edna St. Vincent Millay

posted September 07, 2005 12:05 PM         

No one is trying to invalidate your emotions. Emotions do not exist within the realm of validation. (However, actions do) I understand full well where the emotions come from and I sympathize. This alone renders your rant harmless. Perhaps if you better understood and accepted those reasons you would spare yourself (and others) the endless, tiresome rhythm of rant followed by apology followed by rant followed by apology ....

posted September 07, 2005 12:56 PM         

But first things first ...

Nice to meet you, artlovesdawn.

Cryptic comments are so silly and I've objected to them before but ..... there's a lot more under the surface here. It all had little to nothing to do with the 5 question thread.

Yes, much of what daf posts is thought-provoking. Always has been. I don't think anyone would disagree. (There are some really good old threads of his out there if you care to look. I'd recommend it.) He's a genius in many ways and some of his poetry is simply sublime.

It wasn't a threat, as daf well knows. A simple threat would not bother him in the slightest. He's far beyond that. It was a sort of inside joke concerning a sensitive subject. Possibly it was in bad taste. Possibly it was necessary. Possibly both. Given the over-heated response, I'm inclined to choose door #3.

Daf, God bless his sensitive soul for ever and ever, has been "especially vunerable" since I met him and, the Good Lord knows, long before that. Being the emotional guy that he is (certainly nothing to be ashamed of in and off itself), he is sometimes given to rants. Friends and longtime LL readers are aware of this. Sometimes his rants are of a positive nature and sometimes they are of a negative nature - either way they are always entertaining. But, as I said recently in another thread, he has had a hard time of it. How can I hate him? I love the guy.

posted September 07, 2005 02:08 PM         

i wished he would have discussed it with me in private then, because i never wanted to have to come here in the first place.......but when i have to make a decision about which road to take, i have no problem continuing down it.....and i have come to very much appreciate the discussion forum as a way to exchange information and hammer out the details of difficult ideas.....

ive also been hurt in my personal life and relationship, likely even in worse ways than daf has (is that all? he was cheated on?)..... but i certainly wouldnt hold that up before me as some kind of shield in a discussion about something else, while implying that those who dont agree with me are possessed by thetans....