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emitres
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posted January 31, 2012 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emitres     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
for quite some time now i've pondered the necessity of drinking grape juice... mostly because i don't like it...blech... i think i may have found an answer but doesn't really explain it completely to my satisfaction... so am asking other knowflakes - why grape juice as part of the steps? and why red? ( again, i'm pretty confident i know why red but would like to hear other opinions... )

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posted January 31, 2012 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure what grape juice does. But she didn't say it had to be red. She said that red tastes better and is for plumpies (color diet).

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posted January 31, 2012 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Emrites!

I have been following Linda's recommendations on drinking grape juice, but I always stopped. It's too sweet for me.

Anyway to tour point, why it is healthy for us?

Lately, some years back the pioneers in the health movement have recommended us to drink red wine because of its resveratol. This component is released when grapes are crushed, which they are when red wine is produced,(and any kind of grape juice), but not so much as when white wine is produced, because white whine is produced from red grapes but without their shell. Resveratol is released when the shells of the grapes are crushed!

Search on the internet what red wine does to your health and you get the answer. Grape juice does to us what red wine does to us, without killing brain cells and intoxicate our bodies.

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posted February 01, 2012 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emitres     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you're right Delos, but studies have never conclusively proven the health benefits associated with drinking red wine... not only but a number of other fruits provide the same...

[q]Resveratrol is found in the skin of red grapes and in other fruits. However, red wine contains very little of it, in the order of one milligram per glass...[/q]
got that from Wiki...

and i'm with you on it being too sweet - i usually dilute it with water...

Randall, i honestly thought she was referring to purple or red - mostly because of what Delos mentioned... the resveratrol... but as i noted before, other fruits also have this property...

i recently came across something written by Manly Hall which solidified an earlier premise of mine but still doesn't completely explain the full "why" to me...

[q]...gold is found to have a special affinity for certain plant orders,especially the grapes, sacred in antiquity as the highest of the fruits...[/q]

so...why grapes?

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posted February 02, 2012 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe grape juice somehow stimulates cell regeneration?

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posted February 02, 2012 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emitres     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i know that recently grape juice has been promoted as a good antioxidant - and i seem to recall that someone (maybe BiBiDeAngelo) posted something regarding grape seed and grape skin extract promoting cell regeneration so i think you're right about that Randall... but i think there's something else and i'm having a hard time getting to the heart of it... interesting, a tidbit of info i was not aware of came up while i was searching - apparently it was the grape vine that Noah*(edited...not really sure why i typed Moses...hhmm) takes on the ark... now, even if one doesn't necessarily believe in that story ( hope i have not offended anyone )it certainly signifies something...


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posted February 03, 2012 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wish Linda had been more specific.

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posted February 03, 2012 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emitres     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think Linda was doing what so many do - giving just enough information to start you off, the rest was up to you to figure out... i understand the reasoning behind it but can be more than frustrating today when so much "non" information is put into the world.... sigh...

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posted February 04, 2012 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She wanted us to explore on our own.

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posted February 04, 2012 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emitres     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
that she did...
was thinking yesterday that perhaps am trying to make it more complicated than it really is... what if the reality is that grape vines were simply what grew in relative abundance - common crop so to speak...
then i found some rather fascinating bits of info...of particular interest the use of wine to dilute the highly alkaline water...
it gets better ( at least for me )


Wine was commonly associated with divinity, and was believed to have divine qualities. According to Plutarch, who quoted Eudoxus, Egyptians thought wine was:
“The blood of those who had once battled against the gods, and from whom, when they had fallen and had become commingled with the earth, they believed vines to have sprung .”

This relates to the ancient Egyptian myth of the “Destruction of Mankind” where the goddess Hathor was sent by her father, Re, to destroy a group of conspirators, and when she became addicted to blood, and could not be stopped from bloodshed, she was tricked into drinking a red coloured drink instead of blood , often believed to have been red wine.

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posted February 08, 2012 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good info.

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posted February 08, 2012 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emitres     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks... sometimes the internet can be a fabulous source... just ordered a book regarding physcial immortality - am curious to see if any mention of grape juice is mentioned....

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posted February 15, 2012 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I normally sip grape juice, but I was really thirsty a few days ago, and I had chilled the glass bottle in the freezer, and it was soooooo good that I gulped it down.

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posted March 18, 2012 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Julah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love grapejuice and can't get enough if that concord goodness. It quenches my thirst better than water. Lol

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posted April 09, 2012 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any new discoveries?

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posted April 11, 2012 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for emitres     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
no... the last book i purchased was a major disappoinment... didn't even read beyond the first chapter... this marks four books in a year that have proven useless... sigh... next month i'll probably buy the one that maklhouf pointed to - keeping my fingers crossed

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posted April 12, 2012 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not a fan of when the titles tease and the contents don't deliver.

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posted April 12, 2012 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for emitres     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
amen to that Randall

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posted April 13, 2012 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It happens far too often.

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posted May 05, 2012 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't drink it every day, but it's my fave thing to buy when I'm thirsty. I put it in the freezer and get the top slushy.

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posted May 06, 2012 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yesterday, I had Welch's white grape and peach juice.

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posted May 07, 2012 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for emitres     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
which leads me to another question - blended juices... i have a particular brand i like (Oasis) which has a really really yummy mixed berry and pomogranite juice but it's blended with "filler" juices (grape and apple)... is it possible that the inclusion of other elements into the grape juice negates it's effect somewhat? just how much of this is purely ritual symbolism?

i did find a grape juice i like better - Paul Newmans... still dilute it but not as much...

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I think somehow the cells use something in the grape juice, so there is a health benefit more than ritual, but I also don't feel it's required. The key to living forever is in the liver (which completely regenerates perfectly if not abused).

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It's fattening for some reason. Been wanting to lose 10 pounds like forever, but once I stopped grape juice for a bit, five melted off.

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