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proxieme
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posted December 29, 2002 06:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwl.

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alkmi
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posted December 30, 2002 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for alkmi     Edit/Delete Message
jwhop is mistaken. it happened THIS YEAR in a small town called Porter, PA

the people held a civic session and amended to their towm charter that corps NO LONGER had as many rights as individuals, they said it that way on purpose.
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Exactly 226 years later, another small group in Pennsylvania also met in
early December to sign a document that claimed the same right - their duty -
to alter their government in a way that would restore the democracy the
original Founders were willing to fight and die for. The democratically
elected municipal officials of Porter Township put their signatures to an
ordinance passed unanimously on December 9, 2002. It reads, in part:

"A corporation is a legal fiction created by the express permission of the
people...;

"Interpretation of the U.S. Constitution by the Supreme Court justices to
include corporations in the term 'persons' has long wrought havoc with our
democratic processes by endowing corporations with constitutional privileges
intended solely to protect the citizens of the United States or natural
persons within its borders;

"This judicial bestowal of civil and political rights upon corporations
interferers with the administration of laws within Porter Township and
usurps basic human and constitutional rights exercised by the people of
Porter Township; .

"Buttressed by these constitutional rights, corporate wealth allows
corporations to enjoy constitutional privileges to an extent beyond the
reach of most citizens;

"Democracy means government by the people. Only citizens of Porter Township
should be able to participate in the democratic process in Porter Township
and enjoy a republican form of government therein;."

And then, with an audacity and willingness to take on overwhelming
multinational corporate power similar to that displayed by the Founders, the
elders of Porter Township said that "Corporations shall not be considered to
be 'persons' protected by the Constitution of the United States or the
Constitution of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania within the Second Class
Township of Porter, Clarion County, Pennsylvania."

It became the law of that land five days later.
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so i LIKE IT that people who support corporate greed are coming up short with their predictions. and i am sure you can look up that stuff i cut and pasted.

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Hopeful
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posted December 30, 2002 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message
Carlo - Just wanted to add...that I have always found dicta to be the most compelling part of any case.

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Carlo
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posted December 30, 2002 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Carlo     Edit/Delete Message
yes, dicta is the best part of any case, it's often where the justices let their hair down and basically run their mouths and muse and such. the holding is always so boring, because it's just a rule of law, nothing more. It's unfortunate that dicta cannot be used, yet it often actually becomes law!

One example is when the Supremes were faced with a question of whether a certain videotape was pornography. Now the US Supreme Court has a little screening room so the Justices can watch evidence on the VCR in privacy. So they all took the tape and had their little vidfest.

John Paul Stevens made a famous comment in the case, the name and cite of which right now escapes me...he said that the definition of pornography is basically that we know it when we see it, and this isn't pornography. Now that was in the dicta, not the holding, yet that case, I think from 1977, has always been known as for the "Know-it-when-we see-it" standard that the court created. I think that it was even in the dissent that Stevens said that.

So that is basically how courts decide pornography nowadays...by watching it and applying that rule that arose out of dicta. The court actually ruled that the tape was not pornography, which was the narrow holding, yet that case is famous for Stevens new standard

Thanks for the info alkmi!!! Oh we don't pay much attention to the Marxist hater, or any haters here really Anyone who still rants about and labels everything and everyone Marxist simply needs to get out more and meet some girls

Love,
Carlo

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