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Topic: Sing, Dance, Rejoice - Corporate Personhood Is Doomed
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Carlo
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From: Second America
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted December 28, 2002 01:01 AM
 
http://commondreams.org/views02/1226-04.htm wow...we all learned in law school a law that was never even law. A headnote is of much less weighty significance, actually none whatsoever, than dicta, which is the stuff in a court's opinion that is not the holding, basically all the things the justices talk about that bear on the rule they are establishing, yet are not the rule itself. Dicta is usually significant yet, is not law and cannot be cited as such. The holding is the exact law that is created by the opinion. So the whole corporations-are-people-too was fallacious for over a hundred years. Down with the Man lol Bight Blessings,
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theFajita
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posted December 28, 2002 05:37 AM
I work for "the man" but not for long!------------------
Food is the only art that nourishes! IP: Logged |
N_wEvil
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posted December 28, 2002 11:04 AM
i think if this thing snowballs i might throw a street party  IP: Logged |
proxieme
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posted December 28, 2002 12:13 PM
 Keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwl.  IP: Logged |
jwhop
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From: Madeira Beach, Florida
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted December 28, 2002 12:24 PM
Not in the "wettest" Marxist dream will the courts ever hold that corporations are not legal entities entitled to the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.jwhop IP: Logged |
N_wEvil
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posted December 28, 2002 12:33 PM
well, they arent legal entities if you look at the way they can split off into subsidiaries and be in multiple places at once.But you're right. You know why you're right? because the corps OWN the damn courts. IP: Logged |
jwhop
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From: Madeira Beach, Florida
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted December 28, 2002 12:47 PM
The spinoff of part(s) of a corporation into another corporation does not deprive either corporation of their rights to due process and the equal protection of the law.jwhop IP: Logged |
proxieme
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posted December 28, 2002 12:48 PM
 jwhop sure is a kill-joy. But he and N_w are right...
Maybe N_w's been right b/f...it's time to lock and load
(I really just said that b/c I found a new cache of smilies and wanted to use my Rambo one... )
But, yeah - Corporations won't be touched as long as they drive (read: control) people's livelihoods, and therefore the viability of the society in which the courts find themselves. Courts aren't going to take any action that will result in their own destruction. IP: Logged |
Carlo
Knowflake Posts: 1612
From: Second America
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted December 28, 2002 12:55 PM
he's not a killjoy, he is just ignorant. The argument will not be about whether a corporation is not a legal entity - duh, of course they are, any idiot knows that - the question is whether a corporation can have personhood. Apparently, the little Leo did not read the Marxist article lol. It is not an issue of due process either. I love when entirely ignorant people think they know anything at all, it's just so frikkin comical  BB,
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proxieme
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posted December 28, 2002 01:04 PM
I didn't actually read it, either...but I will. It's just that I'm watching The Emporer's New Groove right now and am on a massive sugar rush from the mass of Lindor balls I got from my step sis for x-mas, and, and, and.....
Um, I don't know where I was going w/ that.
I'll read the article now, though.Hey, how do you like this one?
I can only describe it as a backflipping Hitler.
Heeeeyy - maybe that does have some relevance to this thread...it may bear a resemblance to someone... (kidding, jwhop...kidding, kidding  ) IP: Logged |
proxieme
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posted December 28, 2002 01:22 PM
KUZCO: "No! It can't be! How did you get back here before us?"
CREEPY PURPLE WOMAN: "Uh, um...how did we, Cronk?"
KRONK: "Well, you got me. By all accounts it doesn't make any sense."
CPW: "Oh, well - back to business."(And, yes, I realize that I'm quoting lines from a product of a massive corporation  ... oh, I'm so glad I'm so easily amused...smilies R fun). Just some questions
(which I've updated by bolding b/c no one's answering me): To their everlasting glory, this is not what the Founding Fathers intended, as Mr. Hartmann explains in rich and engaging detail. And for 100 years after the Constitution was ratified, various governmental entities led corporations around on leashes, like obedient puppies, canceling their charters promptly if they compromised the public good in any way. The leashes broke in 1886, the puppies got away, and the public good was increasingly compromised—until it was finally displaced altogether.
Aren't we pretty much talking about Mercantilism here? Or atleast a domestic quasi-form of it? I guess it all depends on the definition of "the public good". Carlo, do you know exactly by what this broad term was defined? (And I'm not asking this like, "Weeeeeeeeeeeeellllllll, Car-lo...do YOU know..." but like, "Carlo, do you know exactly by what this broad term - b/c jus' bout anything can be broadened by lawyers - was defined, out of pure curiosity?"). No, this is not what the Founding Fathers intended democracy to be. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, as Mr. Hartmann details, were seriously anxious about “moneyed corporations” and their potential interference in public affairs. The Bill of Rights these two men drafted contained the ten Constitutional amendments that survive, and two more that did not: one was to control corporate expansion and dominance. (The other was to prohibit a standing army.)
Do you know where I can find the wording to this proposed admendment (or if it can be found on the web)? And, I don't know the term for it - so forgive my word-tripping - but couldn't someone argue that b/c corps have been in practice "persons" under the law for so long, that their rights as such have been established? (That's not quite what I meant, but do you get me?) *POOF*
The soldiers are turned into animals...a cow, an ostrich, a boar, an octopus, a lizard, and a gorilla...
CPW: Get them!!!
STANDING COW, WITH HELMET AND MACE: Hey, I've been turned into a cow...can I go home?
CPW: You're excused...
Anyone else?
OTHER ANIMALS/SOLDIERS (in unison): Naw, no - we're good.
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Carlo
Knowflake Posts: 1612
From: Second America
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted December 28, 2002 01:56 PM
lol...oh Proxy, do behave you flippin' fish  IP: Logged |
N_wEvil
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posted December 28, 2002 02:04 PM
Sorry to further derail the topic but i just to do it:  hehehehe IP: Logged |
proxieme
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posted December 28, 2002 02:20 PM
Hey, I sandwiched some relevant questions in between my digressions.But, still...
from our socialist friends:
 And, I must say that I agree with the following:
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jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 9417
From: Madeira Beach, Florida
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted December 28, 2002 04:53 PM
No Carlo, I am a killjoy. But I read the article and the best that can be said is that it's an unfortunate exercise in mental masturbation by yet another intellectually challenged Marxist. Corporations are artificial entities created by the states. It's the states that confer personhood on corporations, albeit artificial but that confers upon corporations the legal right to due process and the equal protection of the law. That right is conveyed to the states by the 10th Amendment and the Federal Government has no power to tamper with corporation status. As for ignorance---gross ignorance is 144 Marxists. I hope you've reconsidered a career in the legal profession Carlo, but if not, you might try for a job with the Federal Government. The government always finds a place for the otherwise unemployable. jwhop IP: Logged |
Jaqueline
Knowflake Posts: 1231
From: Rio de Janeiro , Brazil
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted December 28, 2002 06:49 PM
Just a small pause Proxieme dear Where do you get these beautiful smilies ? Ok, now you can continue Love
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N_wEvil
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posted December 28, 2002 08:15 PM
as opposed to the god complex most corporate fat cats enjoy, jwop?IP: Logged |
N_wEvil
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posted December 29, 2002 12:40 AM
http://www.theinquirer.org/?article=6933 interesting article IP: Logged |
proxieme
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posted December 29, 2002 12:51 AM
Jakie:
www.mysmilies.com  IP: Logged |
Carlo
Knowflake Posts: 1612
From: Second America
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted December 29, 2002 01:31 AM
I vote to give the Net to European hands wevil can run it...or just do some mark up a couple hours a week for enough coin to feed a small town 50 miles away and buy three houses and a Testarosa get one of those Tony "I really invented the Internet" Blair bumper stickers for the car lolIP: Logged |
theFajita
Knowflake Posts: 2007
From: Boca Raton, FL USA
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted December 29, 2002 02:00 AM
 just testing these out..sorry to interrupt..love you all and hope your weekends are going great! ------------------
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Jaqueline
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From: Rio de Janeiro , Brazil
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted December 29, 2002 12:04 PM
Thanks !  IP: Logged |
N_wEvil
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posted December 29, 2002 01:39 PM
if i was running it things would get very messy very quickly, i think. hehehe.IP: Logged |
proxieme
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posted December 29, 2002 05:57 PM
Pray tell, what would you do with ultimate internet power, N_dubya?IP: Logged |
N_wEvil
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posted December 29, 2002 06:16 PM
attempt to start a new culture, what else? IP: Logged |
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