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majenta
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posted December 14, 2003 06:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for majenta     Edit/Delete Message
What can I say? This is great news

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lllog
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posted December 14, 2003 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lllog     Edit/Delete Message
I think that it is wonderful news. My worry is that he will be able to trade knowledge for his not being put to death. It would be very tempting for Bush to trade for info on weapons of mass destruction, for political reasons.

He needs to die for his killing of over a half a million Iraq citizens. I favor a shooting squad, myself.

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juniperb
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posted December 14, 2003 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
I think we need answers and for me, thats the highest cause. I am thankful the Iraq people can breath now.

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proxieme
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posted December 14, 2003 11:22 AM           Edit/Delete Message
It was a wonderful bit o' news to wake-up to

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La-Tee-Da
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posted December 14, 2003 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for La-Tee-Da     Edit/Delete Message
Ding Dong...the wicked beast is caught!!!

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Harpyr
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posted December 14, 2003 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message

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Xelena Ben
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posted December 14, 2003 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xelena Ben     Edit/Delete Message
hopefully the Iraqi people will be able to breathe a little easier now and get on with rebuilding their country. i wish i spoke arabic so i could go over there and teach young girls how to read and write. what a lot of work to do... best of luck to them.

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pidaua
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posted December 14, 2003 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
Yipppppeeeee!!!!!

Okay, so here is my question. This dictator told his people to fight until the last breath. He told them to never surrender. Yet, he allowed himself to be taken into custody without even a whimper. To me, that speaks of a total coward. (Although I am glad because I would hate to see innocent peeps killed because of a shootout).

Overall, it is a good day!!!

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juniperb
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posted December 14, 2003 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
My weird sense of humor perhaps, but how demeaning and fitting for this man to have a hair 'cootie inspection' broadcast nationally Serves the b@**@*d so right

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majenta
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posted December 15, 2003 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for majenta     Edit/Delete Message
And now hes saying he never had weapons of mass destruction. Will we forget that this is the reason our government sent us to war due to the fact that this idiot will now be dealt with?

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posted December 15, 2003 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
It is funny, Juniperb! Cootie inspection....

I am glad this new chapter in world affairs has begun, and the old one ceremoniously put to death.(so to speak)
Isn't he really the first dictator, on such a grand scale, to have been caught by the U.S. government? I'll bet the Georges are high fiving all over the place!
My thought on the trading knowledge for not being put to death.... Do you think Saddam would have any reservations, if he were in the U.S.'s position, about getting the information he wants, as well as punishing the perpetrator? I don't think HE would have any moral qualms about not keeping a bargain, do you? Karma.

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alchemiest
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posted December 15, 2003 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for alchemiest     Edit/Delete Message
well there never were and weapons of mass destruction found in iraq, were there?

I'm happy that he's caught and all that, but we have no right to pass judgment to put him to death or whatever. No crimes were committed on American soil. He should be tried in Iraq, by the people of Iraq. But of course, the fact that we have coalition forces over there and they have no proper instated government means that even if he is tried there, its going to be no different from the US trying him.

I don't know... I feel so mixed about this. (I am sorry if this offends anyone- I promise, I don't mean to step on anyone's views here)
Even if we had caught him in the 1990 gulf war (which we practically did, but then our wonderful president of the time decided to 'let him go') it wouldn't have been fair to try him by US standards. Remember, we are 'friends' with countries like Pakistan that are MILITARY DICTATORSHIPS and are guilty of persecuting their citizens just as much as Saddam was if not more so. This seems highly hypocritical to me. Especially now, when, let's face it, things were actually quiet in that region until we decided to go in.
I am surprised that so many of you think it fitting or funny that his 'de-louseing' or whatever was internationally broadcast. It wasn't funny. It was humiliating. Yes he was caught. Hurrah Yippee and all the rest of it, but it is callous to take pleasure in his humiliation. Honestly, if you want to put him in front of a firing squad or whatever, it really makes you the same as him. Where's all the talk of forgiveness now?
Not to sound trite, but Saddam is a human being and deserves to be respected as one. His actions were wrong, but so are the actions of other countries that we currently befriend.

*sigh*

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pidaua
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posted December 15, 2003 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
I think that the 300,000 muslims murdered would be enough to want to get him out of power. I think that the millions of people oppressed are also enough to go to war. Here are some interesting stats since we went to war with Iraq:

..."Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1..."

...the first battalion of the new Iraqi Army has graduated and is on active duty.

... over 60,000 Iraqis now provide security to their fellow citizens.

...nearly all of Iraq's 400 courts are functioning.

... the Iraqi judiciary is fully independent.

...on Monday, October 6 power generation hit 4,518 megawatts exceeding the pre-war average.

...all 22 universities and 43 technical institutes and colleges are open, as are nearly all primary and secondary schools.

... by October 1, Coalition forces had rehabbed over 1,500 schools - 500 more than their target.

... teachers earn from 12 to 25 times their former salaries.

...all 240 hospitals and more than 1200 clinics are open.

...doctors salaries are at least eight times what they were under Saddam.

...pharmaceutical distribution has gone from essentially nothing to 700 tons in May to a current total of 12,000 tons.

...the Coalition has helped administer over 22 million vaccination doses to Iraq's children.

...a Coalition program has cleared over 14,000 kilometers of Iraq's 27,000 kilometers of weed-choked canals. They now irrigate tens of thousands of farms. This project has created jobs for more than 100,000 Iraqi men and women.

...we have restored over three-quarters of pre-war telephone services and over two-thirds of the potable water production.

... there are 4,900 full-service connections. We expect 50,000 by January first.

...the wheels of commerce are turning. From bicycles to satellite dishes to cars and trucks, businesses are coming to life in all major cities and towns.

...95 percent of all pre-war bank customers have service and first-time customers are opening accounts daily.

... Iraqi banks are making loans to finance businesses.

...the central bank is fully independent.

... Iraq has one of the world's most growth-oriented investment and banking laws.

... Iraq (has) a single, unified currency for the first time in 15 years.

...satellite dishes are legal.

...foreign journalists aren't on 10-day visas paying mandatory and extortionate fees to the Ministry of Information and other government spies.

... there is no Ministry of Information.

...there are more than 170 newspapers.

... you can buy satellite dishes on what seems like every street corner.

... foreign journalists and everyone else are free to come and go.

..a nation that had not one single element -legislative, judicial or executive-- of a representative government, does.

...in Baghdad alone residents have selected 88 advisory councils. Baghdad first democratic transfer of power in 35 years happened when the city council elected its new chairman.

...today in Iraq chambers of commerce, business, school and professional organizations are electing their leaders all over the country.

... 25 ministers, selected by the most representative governing body in Iraq history, run the day-to-day business of government.

...the Iraqi government regularly participates in international events.

Since July the Iraqi government has been represented in over two dozen international meetings, including those of the UN General Assembly, the Arab League, the World Bank and IMF and, today, the Islamic Conference Summit.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs today announced that it is reopening over 30 Iraqi embassies around the world.

...Shia religious festivals that were all but banned, aren't.

... for the first time in 35 years, in Karbala thousands of Shiites celebrate the pilgrimage of the 12th Imam.

...the Coalition has completed over 13,000 reconstruction projects, large and small, as part of (a) strategic plan for the reconstruction of Iraq.

...Uday and Queasy are dead - and no longer feeding innocent Iraqis to his zoo lions, raping the young daughters of local leaders to force cooperation, torturing Iraq's soccer players for losing games...murdering critics.

...children aren't imprisoned or murdered when their parents disagree with the government.

...political opponents aren't imprisoned, tortured, executed, maimed, or are forced to watch their families die for disagreeing with Saddam.

...millions of longsuffering Iraqis no longer live in perpetual terror.

...Saudis will hold municipal elections.

... Qatar is reforming education to give more choices to parents.

... Jordan is accelerating market economic reforms.

... the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded for the first time to an Iranian -- a Muslim woman who speaks out with courage for human rights, for democracy and for peace.

...he has not faltered or failed.

...Saddam is gone.

Since... Iraq is free.


NOT BAD FOR AN ADMINISTRATION:

WITH NO PLAN.

NO DIRECTION

ONE THAT WAS GOING TO BE SLAUGHTERED GOING INTO BAGHDAD.

AND WAS ONLY IN THIS FOR THE OIL.

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pidaua
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posted December 15, 2003 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
On a Lighter Note:

Like Juniperb, I thought too that it was kind of funny to see the Cootie Inspection (I love that word...cootie) Hee hee

But I could just hear him saying

"Owww, I have a boo boo here...and a boo boo here....and I think there's a critter nest in my beard".


Oh, and they found "Bounty" candy bars in his little hole. That is kind of ironic considering the Bounty that was on his head LOL

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jwhop
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posted December 15, 2003 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Hi pidaua

That list of accomplishments in Iraq doesn't sound anything like the predictions of the protesters against the war does it? It's remarkable and more remarkable when considering that Saddam's followers wrecked, looted, sabotaged and impeded the restoration of water, electric and phone services along with the other institutional services in the country.

I just saw this on AOL news and thought it sounds like a line that might become famous going forward in time.

"When the deposed Iraqi leader was pulled by U.S. troops from a dank hole adjacent to the farmhouse Saturday, he told them in English: "My name is Saddam Hussein. I am the president of Iraq and I want to negotiate."A U.S. Special Forces soldier replied: "Regards from President Bush."

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lioneye68
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posted December 15, 2003 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lioneye68     Edit/Delete Message
Wow, alchemist you must have really had to dig deep to find sympathy for Sadam. What did he do to earn that from you, besides being human? Which, by the way, he may be a human in the flesh and blood sense, but he is a dark spirit who has chosen to move very far away from God. He has made his own bed, so to speak. He's cooperating because he doesn't want to die. He doesn't want to die because he KNOWS he'll be held accountable for all the pain, torture and suffering he caused when he leaves this world.

So, yeah. You go ahead and let your heart bleed for him, but I don't think it's going to protect him from his own train load of bad karma.

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pidaua
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posted December 15, 2003 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Jwhop,

How are you? How are things going? Yeah, I read that quote from AOL and laughed out loud. I still cannot believe that Saddam would instruct his people to not go down without a fight, yet he had no problem backing down. It is a true testament as to how much of a coward the man really is. He tortured people for decades and yet he cannot even defend himself.

~Pidaua

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bases loaded
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posted December 15, 2003 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bases loaded     Edit/Delete Message
Hi. A lot of weeks (months) absent from here. Sorry, but I never forgot you. I seize the opportunity to join you in this celebration. Itīs true that we must not judge what to do with that dictator, because we donīt have all the details, but itīs not less true that another murderer has fallen down, good news to receive the new year.

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jwhop
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posted December 15, 2003 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah Pidaua, I had to laugh at that remark too. It's so typically off the cuff American and unimpressed with assertions of power i.e., "My name is Saddam Hussein. I am the president of Iraq-----". I can almost read his mind as he was delivering that "Regards from President Bush" line, "you mean Ex President, don't you"?

Well, I'm glad Saddam was captured alive but not surprised he surrendered without resistance. It's almost an axiom in that part of the world that those behind the terrorist acts brainwash the young into suicide attacks but never strap on an explosive vest themselves. Nor will you find them driving a vehicle and detonating hundreds of pounds of explosives. 72 virgins don't seem to interest them.

I'm fine, except for someone else winning the $40 million lottery Saturday I'll get over it---eventually. How are you doing?

jwhop


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proxieme
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posted December 15, 2003 05:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Naw, Jwhop, didn't you hear?
They had it wrong all along...
it's really 72 Virginians

(OK, it's an old joke - but I like to think it's true )

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jwhop
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posted December 15, 2003 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Hehe, that's funny. Old as it may be, I never saw it before Thanks for the laugh.

I don't think they really want 72 Virginians Prox. About half the population of Virginia are CIA.

jwhop

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Jazzebel
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posted December 15, 2003 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jazzebel     Edit/Delete Message
Alchiemist,
I couldnt agree more with you, you actually took the words out of my moutht.
Saddam`s capture and then his medical edxamination shown on TV was extremely humiliating, I couldnt even bear to watch it. He did was a president and an important figure in the Middle East just a few months ago and then by the choice of Bush he was forced down, who is Bush to tell who must go and who must stay, who gives him the power to kill/chase presidents of other countries who had done nothing to USA. I know that Saddam was a dictator but this war forced on him for wrong reasons (mass destruction weapons blah blah) just blows my mind and I cannot understand how some of you find his humiliating capture (pulled out of a hole) funny, more over this Forum is suposed to be a spiritual kind of place. Blame it on my Pisces compassionate nature but I simply find it painful to watch the misery of Saddam on TV.

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pidaua
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posted December 15, 2003 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
Hi jwhop,

I am doing well. I am excited about going back home for the holidays. My dad is going to retire so he it putting together a trip with my brother and I to drive out to Texas in June. LOL...the three of us did that about 15 years ago when I was a senior in highschool, so it will be kind of a reunion of sorts. LOL..and I'll get to visit my family out there.

Sorry you didn't win the lottery. Maybe next time Did I tell you I was going to Vegas? That's a Leo town isn't it...hmmm,maybe I will win the big one

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lioneye68
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posted December 15, 2003 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lioneye68     Edit/Delete Message
Freedom of speach is a great thing, isn't it Jezzabel? Free of fear, free to speak out against your leaders if you don't agree with their m.o., free to feel compassion for an enemy of Western society, freedom to publically lament the fall from power of a brutal, self serving man who places no value on human life except his own...not children, not mothers of those infant children, not the elderly, least of all, not for his own countrymen not for his own servants, not for his own family or even his own children. In a free society, you can express that warped loyalty and you won't be murdered. Is that not something everyone should be entitled to?

Sometimes I think you take the opposing side of an arguement just to stir up the pot, Jezzabel. It seems to be the only time you post.

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Aphrodite
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posted December 15, 2003 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aphrodite     Edit/Delete Message
Whoa nelly! Has anyone seen photos of his hut?

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