posted August 09, 2004 09:18 PM         

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Jwhop aggravates the hell out of me and I think he's just too conventional and set in his ways. He thinks I'm a looney and that hurts.

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I don't even mind if you haul your soapbox around with you. I think everyone has one and uses it on occasion. There's nothing wrong with being a strong advocate for a cause.

I do disagree when you berate the ladies here who talk openly about sexual matters and drinking. You seem to think that diminishes them spiritually in some way and I disagree strongly. It's talk paras, innuendo, not action and in reality, my intuition tells me there are no women here who are into drunken orgies, husband swapping or other activities that would offend your sensibilities. This is not a Wednesday night prayer meeting of a fundamentalist religious sect.

I'm not going to apologize for aggravating the hell out of you however because that's an internal matter and you own it but I'm not nearly as conventional as you might think.....on a lot of subjects.

posted August 09, 2004 09:43 PM         

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You know, just because I don't let my emotions dictate my actions, and just because I try to temper them with logic, doesn't mean I don't have any. And they're hurted.

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After a lifetime of earnest searching for the truth, how am I supposed to feel when someone calls me a 'fraud'?
Do YOU think I'm a fraud? I want to know.

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Likd Juni, I noticed that you left me out too, but that's okay, cuz I haven't said too much......and that was a self protective measure, because I try not to be a glutton for punishment...........I hate to think that I've actually been intimidated by "bullies" on these threads in the past, to the point of being afraid to express myself again.... but truth is...perhaps I have, and consqeuently have been reluctant to speak up again, lest I go thru more "cyber trauma." (I'm only just now starting to heal)...

But I understand your hurt feelings. cuz I have a little history here of having mine hurt too. (Lioneye for the sake of astrology, I'll tell you that I have a Pisces Moon, Venus and Saturn....actually five planets in water [feeling] altogether) and ScorpioRising [lotsa feeling! ] )

So that you don't feel like the lone ranger...I'll share with you some of what has hurt my feelings here in the not so distant past..so you'll know why I understand...(Pisces "I understand.")

I was told....

"You are sick, you need help"

"You are lower than pond scum"

"You need to grow the hell up"

........and also that I was "venemous," "snied," "petty," "nasty" "rude" "slanderous" "ugly" "hostile" and "pi$$y," among other things...*sigh*

So rather than expose my self to a barrage of attacks like that again, I've chosen to remain silent - until now...*sigh*

And I broke that silence to show you that I understand.....and why....

You have a right to your opinions....as we all do. To me you've come across as very intelligent, very sensitive and very strong in your beliefs....all good things...

Love,
Rainbow

posted August 09, 2004 09:50 PM         

And then sometimes not careful enough!!!

posted August 10, 2004 12:45 AM         

I hear you and rainbow very loud and clear about how things can and do get alittle out of control sometimes. I really like you guys very much and see and feel your hearts cry sometimes, by others that still choose to call names and label others for who they think they are. I think when one has such a big heart and great concerns, others tend to play on that. Rainbow glad to see you back again and proud of you for having the strength to stand back and just let somethings be. You have get to know by now that some of the things that get said around here are not true and thats not who you really are. Paras, sometimes I think its just a universal lesson on how well you stand up for yours-elf and let yours-elf just be, the wonderful person that you really are. You didn't always have to fight for your right to just be you. There are others here who see and feel some of the same things that you do and will not let others take that from them. Your heart is big, so didn't let them have control over your emotions. You may have to make this stand for ounce and all and didn't feed into all the ******** that goes on around here sometimes. I hope you didn't think I'm just telling you how to act or feel, because I'm not, I just feel your heart and have been there thoughout my life and its really not worth the time and energy when its not who you really are or feel. Sometimes people just didn't get it and others do, but that really is O.K, its really not your problem, but theirs. I was told once that I was playing on my emotions and that it would kill me, so didn't fall into that kind of trap.

Still enjoy reading your posts and think your an O.K kind of guy, so didn't let them bring you down because only you can do that.

One of your Friends

posted August 10, 2004 07:50 AM         

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I do disagree when you berate the ladies here who talk openly about sexual matters and drinking. You seem to think that diminishes them spiritually in some way and I disagree strongly. It's talk paras, innuendo, not action and in reality, my intuition tells me there are no women here who are into drunken orgies, husband swapping or other activities that would offend your sensibilities. This is not a Wednesday night prayer meeting of a fundamentalist religious sect.

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Still enjoy trying to make me look like the bad guy, don't you, Jwhop?

And I'm puzzled about something. Why did you say 'women' and 'ladies'? How did you come to the erroneous conclusion that I was singling out women, on top of the erroneous conclusion that I was singling out anybody? I "wrestle not with the flesh, but with principalities and powers". It's bad ideas I don't like -- I hardly believe in "bad people". I am at least beyond that level of dualistic thinking. What some would call a 'bad person' is, to the more enlightened***, a good person acting on a bad idea. (*** I know how you hate to hear me use this word. Mark of my egotism, right? That I might dare insinuate myself among the 'enlightened'? Read the word directly before it; everything is relative and I know it.)

And surely you must know, with the way I feel about modern Christianity, that it would irk me to be compared to a 'fundamentalist religious sect.'

I'm willing to believe that maybe you don't really deeply truly think I'm a looney -- but you've said it. ("Completely out of touch with reality", I think, were the words you used.) Yes, yes, we all say things we don't exactly mean, exaggerate a bit sometimes under emotional pressure. I know that, because I've done it myself. Several times, recently.

posted August 10, 2004 08:03 AM         

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I was told....

"You are sick, you need help"

"You are lower than pond scum"

"You need to grow the hell up."

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Yes, Rainbow, it's unfortunate that anyone calling himself or herself a Knowflake would use phrases like that. And I'm sorry you got treated that way, too.

I was 'clinically' told I was a "sad specimen of a human being", among other things. Go figure.

If there's one positive thing I can say about myself, it's that I can tell someone I think they're wrong -- even VERY wrong -- without resorting to blatant, juvenile insults like that.

It's ironic that such people mentioned maturity to you. Looks to me like they need to "grow the hell up".

posted August 10, 2004 09:29 AM         

You've asked people for their opinions of you, and when you're displeased with an honest answer, you argue the points. Perhaps you feel the need to defend yourself...but hey, you asked. You can protest all you like...but perceptions will be what they are.

If you don't want to know the answers, don't ask the questions.

As StarLover so aptly said, there are lots of different apples on the tree. Live it, love it, learn it...Let it Be.

I post here honestly. Some will like me, some won't. I will resonate with some here more than others. So be it.

But as I've said before, no one has a monopoly on reason or spirituality, we are all a piece of a part of a whole. We are One, but we're not the same. Thank Goddess.

posted August 10, 2004 10:30 AM         

That's what I got back online to say. But since I'm here:

It really sucks that you think I'm running a popularity contest here, Trillian. I'm not. That's exactly what I meant by cynical, jaded thinking. Answer me this: how would you phrase the question? How would you ask which people thought you were a negative entity and which ones didn't, so that it wasn't "running a popularity contest?"

And don't tell me you wouldn't ask the question, that you would sit back and quietly observe. That's fine for you, but it's not how I work. When I want to know something, I ask. And I knew full well when I asked that someone would come along and cry "popularity contest" or some such similar words. I didn't expect it to be you, but, hey. I can't predict everything.

And as far as me complaining about the "answers" I get: what did I say in the last few lines of the original post to this string? Why do you think I said that? Because I already had those "answers".

Jwhop's post was a new insult couched in the appearance of a semi-apology. Either that, or he honestly misunderstands me -- which I find hard to believe due to evidence that he has a considerable level of intelligence at his disposal. I still want to hear who I've pointed fingers at. Who have I "berated" for "activities that offend my sensibilities"? You, Trillian? Did I ever say that about you? Then who? His 'point' was bogus. Before someone dredges up the quote and tries to use it against me, I'll openly admit that I said one direct thing to one person about alcohol, and I wasn't berating her. I told her I felt bad for her, which I did. I feel bad for anyone who hasn't yet figured out that alcohol serves no positive purpose. I've seen its negative effect on every single person who uses it, and didn't want her to be its next victim. And perhaps I shouldn't have said even that. Maybe I should have just kept it to myself. It came out during a bout of me letting my emotions get the better of me, and if that person wants an apology, I will give her one. But do YOU think that one statement constitutes me trying to turn Lindaland into a "Wednesday night prayer meeting of a fundamentalist religious sect"?

It also sucks to hear you REPEAT the bit about "no one has a monopoly on enlightenment". (It's been said. More than once. I'm not deaf.) I would have to be pretty slow not to catch the implications of that -- that I think I have a monopoly on the truth, or wisdom, or enlightenment, or whatever. If that's your perception of my mind, then you are misinterpreting me. If I thought I already had all the answers, why would I come to Lindaland seeking to learn more?

I hope you don't really find me "distasteful", and I hope you realize that I never tried to start a "contest". What are the "winners" going to get, anyway? A verbal pat on the back from me? I'll be the first one to tell others not to lean on my opinion of them.

posted August 10, 2004 11:19 AM         

Anyhoo... you're right. Let's change the channel.

posted August 10, 2004 03:29 PM         

You said you were hurt that I considered you a loony. I came on to clear that up. No need for you to drag that kind of hurt around when it isn't true.

The Wednesday night prayer meeting at a fundamentalist church comment was a figger of speech but you did go on about sex and alcohol for 4 or 5 pages and you did relate it to spirituality.

Well, let's see, do you fight fire with fire.......absolutely.
Do you fight cancer with cancer.......perhaps not, or not yet but if you've ever had a vaccination, you were fighting disease with disease.

Alcohol is a blood thinner, helpful in the prevention of stroke and heart attack. Tastes better than Bayer too.

posted August 10, 2004 03:40 PM           

It's easier to accept a different opinion from someone who you've come to believe you share things in common with.

Just the opinion of an unenlightened savage who has traveled down this road before, perhaps once too often.

It is offered with the best of intentions for helping to resolve this messiness.

Love,

posted August 10, 2004 03:59 PM         

I don't really know what beef you two have got, but may I suggest this:

I believe the intense relationships we form are profound relationships. Whether they be positive or negative. The two of you have something to offer one and other, and it's coming through with a vigor. In life we must learn to deal with people we don't necessarily like or get along with. It's just life. I'm sure you've each encountered other people in your lives similar to the other.

These people are going to keep popping up in your lives until you learn to deal with them (IMHO).

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For the record, I'm in favor of alcohol and sex! Personally, I think it's a bad idea to get married a virgin. I think it's a good idea to learn some tricks first . Save sex is important if you're not monogamous, but I think it is unrealistic to expect abstinence from young people.

posted August 10, 2004 04:08 PM         

Nice to meet you. I've been working on a problem and noticed you are the Renaissance man of intellectual subjects. Would you happen to know anything about theoretical physics? I'm working on something that requires some background. Or anyone else for that matter?