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Randall
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posted November 08, 2004 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
I can make the Board show the IP address of all posters. That might help to prevent us from having people engage in multiple identities and sewing confusion here. What do you guys and gals think of that? Your IP address can be retrieved from your e-mails anyway, so would having them show here really be much of a privacy issue? Let me know what you guys think.

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26taurus
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posted November 08, 2004 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Great idea Randall. I'm all for it.

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sesame
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posted November 08, 2004 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message
I'm against it. I don't want people trying to hack me or locate me. Since you know people's emails, you could retreive that info and if you discover someone is using multiple identities, then you could tell us, but I don't think it's approriate that all IPs be shown. Also, there is software that can mask IPs anyway so it isn't exactly accurate.

So anyway, nay from me

Dean.

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Randall
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posted November 08, 2004 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Good points, Dean.

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pixelpixie
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posted November 08, 2004 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
Can I just make up a silly acronym for IP?

Or a lame joke like, I.P. Freely?

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26taurus
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posted November 08, 2004 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Indeed. I didnt know about all of that. Hmmmmm?........

Pixie....

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TINK
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posted November 08, 2004 11:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
Sounds like a good idea at first glance. But I am computer illterate so who knows. What dean says sounds like a good point too. What if two people living in the same household and using the same computer both want to post to LL? It might look like a fraud when it isn't.

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Randall
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posted November 08, 2004 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
True. Another good point, TINK.

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pixelpixie
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posted November 08, 2004 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
I.P.~
Interesting Point.

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angel_of_hope
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posted November 08, 2004 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel_of_hope     Edit/Delete Message
I post from three different computers and two different locations, would that matter? I only use my one ID, well actually I started with a different one. I didnt really want it and changed but I havent gone back and used the old one. I'd say go with it, but I to am not that comp literate so I would be worried to a point regarding my own safety - so long as that isnt a matter, Im all for it....

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sesame
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posted November 09, 2004 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message
You guys make me laugh so much sometimes...

Dean.

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LibraSparkle
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posted November 09, 2004 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LibraSparkle     Edit/Delete Message
I.P.

Intoxicating Pixie

I post from different computers too. I have my home PC + my lap top. Also, there have been a few times when I have been bored at a girl friend's house and checked to see what was up in LL.

As far as keeping track of people by their email address... It's an excellent thought. The only thing that really troubles me about that is that I personally have 3 different internet email accounts aside from my ISP account. Yahoo, Hotmail, and Google (Gmail). Since I'm not very creative, I only have two different names... but I'm also not trying to pretend to be someone else. If I were, I'd probably need to think ahead and make new email addresses to suit my cause.

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Randall
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posted November 09, 2004 01:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Different IPs would be perfectly fine. It's different Usernames with the same IPs where the red flags pop up.

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LibraSparkle
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posted November 09, 2004 01:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LibraSparkle     Edit/Delete Message
Right right. I see now. Thanks.

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pidaua
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posted November 09, 2004 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
I wouldn't mind, but I have also been on other message boards that do just that in order to prevent psuedo-usernames. The Baltimore Sun's online newspaper does that: Sunspot.net

It is a shame that the imaturity of a few has to ruin things for all of us. What is ironic is that those that first pointed fingers at the "evil" among us are the very ones that have caused such turmoil on this site. Thank goodness we have so many intelligent people here that can see through their games.

~Pidaua

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Yin
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posted November 09, 2004 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
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I'm against it. I don't want people trying to hack me or locate me. Since you know people's emails, you could retreive that info and if you discover someone is using multiple identities, then you could tell us, but I don't think it's approriate that all IPs be shown. Also, there is software that can mask IPs anyway so it isn't exactly accurate.

I second Sesame.

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trillian
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posted November 09, 2004 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, I've gotta say I agree with Dean.

And I too use several different puters.

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juniperb
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posted November 09, 2004 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Good morning

Randall, you may post mine if you wish. I have no problems with it at all.

I have the greatest respect for Randall,Lindaland and technology, yet I`m sad to see these issues raised again. I remember clearly the "Carte Blanche" thread, the broken friendships, wounded hearts, and innocent souls wronged by the very issue addressed here

If Experience is the greatest teacher of all, why does history repeat its self

Love,

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Randall
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posted November 09, 2004 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
I did learn from the past. Last time, it involved a Moderator, and I considered that a serious breach of trust and issued a banning. I'm trying to not react so rashly this time around. It's pretty clear that this whole GURU promotion was a marketing ploy to get fresh Members to a new site, and it may very well still do that, but guarding Lindaland is my first priority, and I do take my responsibility very seriously.

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paras
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posted November 09, 2004 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for paras     Edit/Delete Message
Sesame pretty much said it. But let me illuminate just why IP addresses shouldn't be freely thrown around.

The IP address is your "true" identity when you're online. Or as close as one can come. All "hacking", or malicious pranks, depend on knowing the victim's IP address.

There are two types of malicious computer users:
(A) Real "hackers", people who have devoted insane amounts of their brain space to programming and understanding various computer systems and networks. These people can do real damage, and if they want your IP address, they'll get it.
(B) Frustrated geeks with a little bit of knowledge. They know a few dirty tricks, and have a bunch of shoddy, pre-made "war tools" at their disposal, but often don't really understand what they're doing, and certainly don't deserve to be called "hackers". (Some of us call them "script kiddies". They think they're "tricky".)

The second group, obviously, is by far the more numerous. There are only a few handfuls of real hackers out there, while the script kiddies number in the millions. Both groups depend on knowing someone's IP address to do what they do. But a lot of times, the script kiddies won't really know how to get it on their own. So, by keeping it "private", you cut down the number of people who are able to "attack" you by a large percentage.

Just something else to consider.

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paras
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posted November 09, 2004 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for paras     Edit/Delete Message
P.S.: Please don't use the word "hacker" as synonymous with "computer criminal". Not all hackers are "bad guys"! There are white hats and black hats in the world of hacking, and a lot of you can thank the white-hat hackers for the various antivirus and firewall programs you use every day!

The real definition of "hacker" is: a computer enthusiast who enjoys finding unconventional solutions to computer problems, and/or testing the limits of a computer system to find out what it can do that it's "not supposed to" be able to do, or to find bugs and weaknesses in it.

Unfortunately, the popular media has encouraged the use of the word "hacker" to mean "someone who damages or breaks into other people's computers".

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Isis
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posted November 09, 2004 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message
I am against it only because I have a static IP address, and as such it never changes. Like Paras said, in the web universe, it's tantamount to having your home address posted.

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lovely*
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posted November 09, 2004 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovely*     Edit/Delete Message
i'm not opposed to showing my IP. if someone truly malicious wanted to find out, they would have IP identifying software.

i didn't realize people were coming here in masks. where are they, might i ask and how is this a problem? randall, i'm assuming you know who they are??

couldn't you just "out" them?

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Aphrodite
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posted November 09, 2004 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aphrodite     Edit/Delete Message
I don't want IP addresses shown on posts.

Yes, they are shown on e-mails - but we don't write e-mails that are displayed and privy to anybody wanting to look at them. This is a website whose postings are open to the public.

Management of identity policies on a server belongs soley to that - Management.

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Harpyr
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posted November 09, 2004 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message
Ditto what Dean, Paras, Isis, Aph, et all.. said..

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