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Topic: Phantom of the Opera
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maya-v
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posted February 25, 2005 09:17 AM
 
I am enthralled by the story - how fatal can affinity be? Anyone else think he has definite Scorpionic leanings? Who do you think Christie is? A Pisces? I would love to talk to other people who love the story as much as me. Other Similies ... Beauty and The Beast Hades and Persephone Briseis and Achilles IP: Logged |
proxieme
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posted February 25, 2005 11:22 AM
I've never seen the play, but watched the movie during Christmas when I was back home in Northern Virginia.My opinion?
*edited - I thought about it some more* Christine: Pisces, Taurus Asc?
The Phantom: Scorp, Taurus Moon w/ a bunch of Uranus-y stuff going on
Pansy Blonde Man: Libra I can't say that I'm an everlasting fan of the story, but that production did give me goosebumps  IP: Logged |
26taurus
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posted February 25, 2005 11:24 AM
"Pansy Blonde Man: Libra"ROFL  Thank you, I needed that.
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proxieme
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posted February 25, 2005 11:40 AM
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maya-v
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posted February 25, 2005 11:59 AM
I agree with the Phantom and Chrisine's predictions. What I loved about it totally is the way they seem to be corded - they are tied and no matter what happens to bring them together or keep them away, they cannot deny the connection! That seems too strong an astro similie to ignore. So I am wondering - is it the water connection? What makes people so psychically bound and sort of , well, indebted to someone? IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted February 25, 2005 12:39 PM
It may be impossible to say what caused it, but its clear that such people recognize a part of themselves in each other, and experience feelings for the other that they commonly only feel for themselves; and identity ceases to be a well-defined word. If someone compliments your personality, even rounds it out, then, it can be exceedingly painless to merge with that person. You won't feel like you are giving up anything, or losing any part of yourself, because it will be reflected back at you, even more clearly than before.Uh, er, or something. But what do I know?
Libra or not, I'm just a pansy blonde man.
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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted February 25, 2005 12:40 PM
I have a movie pass....
maybe i'll go see this movie today.IP: Logged |
maya-v
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posted February 25, 2005 02:12 PM
How infinitely evil of you to get just one ... dont you know I just LOOOOOOVE this movie? And it is NEVER to be watched alone.Yeah, I know - but it is so beautifully painful to see him struggle to let her go, yet fight harder to hold on, like a drowning man going under. But what do I know?
Libra or not, I'm just a pansy blonde man.
Sure, Steve, we believe you ... IP: Logged |
trillian
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posted February 26, 2005 07:03 AM
Here comes me, with an opposing opinion. What a surprise!I hated the film, except for some of the music and the hot looking guys. And I simply can't relate to weak women on screen. I much preferred Virginia Madsen's character in Sideways, and Hillary Swank's in Million Dollar Baby. Smart, savvy strong women who knew their minds. But to each her own.  IP: Logged |
maya-v
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posted February 26, 2005 07:37 AM
The stereotype of a woman trying so much to fit and compete with men by being like them - what is so wrong with a strongly powerfully emotional person - man or woman? Why does a woman have to be masculine and unemotional to be 'strong'?True strength lies in recognising your inner power and beauty, accepting and celebrating who you are and working towards enhancing those beautiful gifts in you. Then be it a man or woman, boxer or opera singer - who can stop you from achieving the Zenith of your potential if you recognise and decide on who you really are? The universe created all creatures in a particular way, setting a harmonious symphony in motion. People who try to deny who they are just to appear to be 'strong' and try to live up to someone else's expectations just to prove them wrong are not 'strong'. They need to reexamine their priorities. I am sorry, I am not denigrating Hillary Swank, I myself like movies abt individuals trying hard to achieve their goals. But why do the bra-burning liberals, promoted by men looking for free sex, have to convert every story abt a woman struggling to achieve her goal into a 'Story abt a strong woman trying to make her mark in a Man's world?'???
I dont think you got the crux of the Phantom if you just see some weak mealy mouthed women running around folowing men like headless turkeys. For me, the true beauty lies in the complex emotions that go into two strong individuals trying to solve the mysteries of love and relationships. Christine is no way an imbecile, she is just trying to separate her dual lives into one non-chaotic stream. And the Phantom is a strong protagonist, with strong passions and very human weaknesses.
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trillian
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posted February 26, 2005 07:45 AM
Who said a woman has to be masculine to be strong?Bra burning liberals are promoted by men? I think you're way off the mark on that one. I also don't think you're in the position to tell me what I get, or don't get in a film. Interesting that you would use an opinion expressed about a movie, to critique and attack me. But I'm a tough-@ss bra burning liberal who doesn't need a man, and who knows her own mind, and I can take it. IP: Logged |
maya-v
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posted February 26, 2005 07:56 AM
Well, good for you.I am sorry, trillian, I was not using the movie to attack you. I dont even know you that well. I was just stating a contrary opinion as to how emotional feminine women are often painted as weak women who dont know their minds. It is possible to be very feminine, very emotional and nurturing and still know your mind. The choices you make in life do not govern who you are, but they sometimes do govern how people choose to see you. I personally relate to Christine very well, because I can understand her torment to be torn between the life she lives and the concern and love she has for her mentor. I can understand the anguish and therefore felt personally attacked when you labelled her 'weak'. No hard feelings, I was happy to read your candid opinion and this is a great way to meet different people with varied point of views and make new friends. Can I know your placements please? IP: Logged |
trillian
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posted February 26, 2005 08:08 AM
Of course no hard feelings. My placements...You'll say "Ahhhh, I get it!" Leo rising with Uranus and Pluto both conjunct the Asc....Sun in Aries, Moon in Cappy...Venus and Merc in Aries... IP: Logged |
maya-v
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posted February 26, 2005 08:10 AM
And so will you - Uranus in Scorpio, a very BIG MOON in Pisces, Sun in Taurus, Mars Venus Conjunct in Aries(8th) and that lousy Jupiter in Gemini Nice meeting you Trill - you remind me so much of who I used to be IP: Logged |
proxieme
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posted February 26, 2005 09:31 AM
trillian - Ya know?
That whole, "Let me take care of you, guide you, protect you..." blardeblardeblar seemed a little over the top. The fact that Christine went woozy over that cued me into her being a Pisces.
I can honestly say that I recognize some of that impulse in myself - it can even hold sway for a time...but then my other placements, especially my Aqua Moon, start to itch.
"You're taking care of me?
Lovely...now, I'm going to drive off to be alone for about a month...crap, I'm breastfeeding. OK, I'm going to drive off with Meg for about a month...crap...you'd cry if I did that. OK, I'm going to...what? Yes, of course I love you - I just need to be in my own head for a bit." The Phantom, though - he's what gave me the shivers.
I gotta admit that that Scorpio schtick gets me every time. Or maybe it had something to do with Jase sitting beside me singing all of the songs at just a notch below what'd get him thrown out of the theatre.
My husband's very special.
I love him very much. On that, maya - As a fan of the story itself, perhaps you can answer this question:
My husband's seen - and loved - the stage version with the broadway cast. He was disappointed in this Phantom; he said that this actor brought out too much of the character's vulnerability and didn't show enough of his feeling of superiority and disdain for others (takes an Aqua w/ a Scorp Asc to miss those qualities...).
What do you think of this Phantom's performance in relation to the broadway version's? IP: Logged |
maya-v
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posted February 26, 2005 03:00 PM
Sorry, sweets, I was a little pre-occupied and could not answer before. When has Hollywood ever made a movie out of a classic piece of literature and not butchered it a bit? I feel especially wounded when the actors are not committed enough to actually try and grasp the entire prismatic range of colors a very loved character has. Still, its a good idea for them to make the movie, as I can now have my favorite tunes from the show at my fingertips and revisit the beautiful sets whenever I want. IP: Logged |
trillian
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posted February 28, 2005 09:50 AM
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Nice meeting you Trill - you remind me so much of who I used to be
Perhaps an interesting way of suggesting that you have surpassed who and what you presume that I am? You're entitled to your perspective, of course. Proxie , I have known you through your first meeting with Jason at Rocky Horror, that beautiful photo of the two of you hiking (which I hope you have framed somewhere, it just shows the love so well), your pregnancy difficulties, your marriage, your move to 'Bama...and never ever once have I ever perceived you to be weak in any way. In fact, I have watched some men wrongly perceive Pisces women, who can be yielding for a time (so long as it serves their purpose), as weak. I've been surprised at times when male friends think their Pisces women need protection, as I see these women completely differently. Those men are then shocked when the slippery, clever Pisces girls turn their own tides and move on or away, if even for a time. Those seemingly still waters run deep and sometimes rage...it's fascinating. IP: Logged |
maya-v
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posted February 28, 2005 04:18 PM
No, just that I remember how exciting it was to be fighting for something you so strongly believe in ... God that fire just never gives up!And with that fish girl reference, you might have just described me! In fact, I started a thread abt how my BIG WATERY FISH MOON seems to overshadow my sun so many times. IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
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posted February 28, 2005 05:21 PM
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Nice meeting you Trill - you remind me so much of who I used to be
Funny that this was commented on, as I saw it yesterday, but I had to go..... and I KNEW something would be said about it.
And here's my piece. I can't help it.
I feel that this is a slight.. maybe a carefully disguised one, but man oh man, I don't like when people ( whoever they may be.. friend or foe) project their perception in such a way as to imply their opinion is more advanced than anothers'. I mean, we all know sometimes, when one is blatently obvious, like some characters we get around here... but the subtle nuances of our differentness..... and someone claiming.. "Oh, I know the answer..."
Like children in a classroom claiming superiority as the teacher chose their hand above all others.. when the teacher just saw a hand raised, and chose it....
Trill is a strong woman, and I absolutly love every strongly said opinion. Just because she sees it differently than you ,Maya, doesn't mean you can defend what needs no defending ( much like I am doing, I realize the irony).
I think you read too much into Trill's character or perceptions, based upon a small scope, a small post.
I know she is a very open minded sort....And No Maya, I am not attacking you at all... I know you are always saying ( for some reason) you are trying to woo me or something.. So don't think I am poking at you or anything,
What I am saying is... I believe you used Trillian's post as an in to throw some of your intellectual reasoning and social beliefs, which , right or wrong, are yours, and you are more than entitled to have them, as Trillian is hers.. I enjoy reading both, and I see where everyone comes from, and feel the passion from that knowledge.
But be careful who you lash out at because of your convictions, as Trillian is a strong force, very much loved, who always has a kind word to say to anyone. Including you........ so don't slight her opinions.. Go ahead and say yours, but don't say them OVER hers... you know what I am saying?
I know you are about as sensitive as me.... and that's quite a bit.
So anyway..... I just know that she is being diplomatic, and letting it slide, and I can feel her argument rising.. in a political way of course, with no hurt thrown.
I just wanted my two cents in here...
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maya-v
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posted February 28, 2005 06:14 PM
Point taken, pix ... I never meant to slight her, just that she reminds me so much of so many people I know, including me. I have missed those people and it feels nice to meet someone like her again. Honestly, I wish sometimes I too had the kind of faith she has and the strength she reflects. But life sometimes deals cards you dont know what to do with and the choices you make can change so much of who you are. Its so wonderful and amazing to see that fire in someone you meet and thats exactly what I meant when I said its great to meet someone of opposing opinions. I am not a fighter, I am not trying to slight Trillian (beautiful name btw) or anyone. It just feels good to see that fire and enthusiasm and makes me smile to remember all the causes I believed in and see someone still holding the flag of their beliefs so high and strong. I meant all of this as a compliment, if you can believe me. I admire all of you, pix and the reason I say I am wooing you is because I really admire your strength and your capabilit to rise above petty stuff and find the humor in everything. I wish I could do that sometimes. I am very sorry if I caused any kind of intended or misintended disrespect to anyone. I never come here for that purpose and also, it felt great to have a discussion with someone that strong minded and opinionated(like Linda, a true Aries). Love to all Maya IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross
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From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
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posted February 28, 2005 06:24 PM
Hey pix -I thought somebody would object to that. I agree it is likely to come across as supercillious, but, knowing maya as I believe I do, I'm inclined to think that she was unaware of this interpretation when she expressed her diagnosis. Her plodding mercury in taurus was easily overtaken by her mars/venus conjunction in aries. This is what I believe. Granted, it may very well reflect an unconscious attitude, but I am positive maya did not consciously intend for her remark to reflect the emotional force which may have been behind it. There is an innocence and passion about this person which would be highly likely to cause her to overlook what may appear to us a relatively obvious (mis)interpretation. Anyway, how are you doing today, pix? hsc ------------------
Judgement is the antithesis of understanding. IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted February 28, 2005 06:28 PM
oh, hi maya, didnt see you there.IP: Logged |
maya-v
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posted February 28, 2005 06:44 PM
Thanks Steve, you are an  I hope I didnt offend anyone, I merely wanted to discuss the love shared by the characters in the story and ended up causing an argument. I apologise to everyone and will try not to ruffle too many feathers in the future. Peace Maya IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
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posted February 28, 2005 06:54 PM
ack, my feathers are just pokey. Need a good feather conditioner.
No offense taken or implied.
I just wanted to let you know if you were being ... <shite, what's that word>... supercillious.... that you should consider that Trillian is a loved and loving force who powers her convictions with care and respect..... that's all I meant.... Pointing it out, as I think through her respect, she chose not to jump much on the words which I have taken cause to.
But I believe you, it's all good.. no matter anyhow.
I am only ASSuming everything anyway, from an outside point of view. Pix is good today, how's Heart Shaped diogenes.. er whatever...? IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
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posted February 28, 2005 06:57 PM
What the hay do I know? I am so fu%&ing depressed I can't even rub too sentances together.IP: Logged | |
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