posted July 15, 2005 07:01 AM         

Would it be possible to warn the people who are causing problems for others here, using offensive language and generally being abusive. I feel if this isnt dealt with, we shall lose good people who have a lot to contribute here.

I am thinking of stepping back from LL because of what has happened this week and in the past. If I remember rightly, this is the second request I have made. It seems such a shame for the ones who are genuinely here to learn and contribute wisely.

Am sorry to have to bring this to your attention, but felt strongly for others who may have been hurt, and for new ones coming in............what must they think.

As I mentioned in another thread, my hubbie says the forums he is involved in BAN anyone who uses offensive language to others or who are abusive.

Thanks Randall

Love and light

posted July 15, 2005 08:10 AM         

I know LL has been through some pretty tough debates/disagreements/strong banter before, and whatever it is that you speak of now, I'm sure this can be resolved also.

posted July 15, 2005 08:51 AM         

I'm afraid I'm not aware of the strings where any abuse is occurring.

I know both Linda and Randall are champions of free speech, which I too support. It takes a lot for anyone to be banned from LL.

Could you point us in the direction? This might be up to the moderator of the forum to which you refer.

posted July 15, 2005 09:16 AM         

On a forum where most of us just want to get along and be accepted, it's very off-putting.

I'm not going to name and shame because I don't believe in doing that. I don't believe in hurting others. But I do feel deeply hurt myself, right now.

posted July 15, 2005 09:40 AM         

This is something different guys, I LOVE freedom of speech and people getting passionate over what they believe in, but this is abusive and cruelty to other members on the forum, and as yet I am not aware that anything has been done (could be wrong). If it takes a lot for someone to be banned here, and this childish stuff is allowed to continue then I am outta here. I am not an advocate of this sort of behaviour, never was and never will be............anyone who chooses to put someone else down in this vain, in my opinion shouldnt be allowed to post. I know people wont agree with me and thats fine, but I think its unfair for the person on the receiving end.

Love to all

posted July 15, 2005 10:09 AM         

Have you directly asked the moderator(s) of the forum? I'm guessing Randall is aware of it if it's that serious?

posted July 15, 2005 10:29 AM         

You brought up a very important issue. I feel that the moderators should do their part in moderating their assigned forums.

Moderators can also step into other forums if they feel the need be.

If there is an issue that the moderator is uncomfortable dealing with, they need to get Randall's advice/input.

If anyone here is uncomfortable with a posting, thread, or feels abused by another Knowflake, they should notify the moderator of that forum, AND/OR Randall immediately.

I feel that people should be advised and warned as you mentioned.

posted July 15, 2005 11:30 AM         

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Everyone knows who they are

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Sorry, but I've no idea to whom you refer. If it's not a question of what someone believes is free speech, then someone here needs to point those of us who are mods to the problem.

Free speech can be perceived as a sticky wicket, but until we know the problem here, nothing can be done.

posted July 15, 2005 11:54 AM         

I dont like to name names but in this case I think its neccesary so that Trillian (hi! ) and the other Mods can check it out to see what they make of it.

This topic in Free for All- had a lot of angry posts but I found these ones by Tranquil Poet very rude and unnecesary-

'Tranquil Poet
Knowflake

Posts: 1360
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posted July 13, 2005 09:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Tranquil Poet Edit/Delete Message

Pidua. I honestly don't know how anyone in your life can even stand you.

You look like a man.

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posted July 13, 2005 10:01 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Tranquil Poet Edit/Delete Message

Lovely go f*** yourself. Stupid b****.
Starting stuff with leoelf for no reason.

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posted July 13, 2005 10:03 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Tranquil Poet Edit/Delete Message

Angel_of_hell. Another dumb immature b****.

Grow up little girl.

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posted July 13, 2005 10:50 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Tranquil Poet Edit/Delete Message

Pixie. Those b****** started first. So don't give me that.

If you are rude then I'm gonna be rude back. That's the way it goes. I've said this before.

I know they are your friends but that doesn't mean you have to stand up for them even when they are being rude.

You are playing favorites. And that isn't good at all....especially when you are a moderator.

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posted July 13, 2005 11:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Tranquil Poet Edit/Delete Message

quote:Pix & Pid - very well said, both of you!!

Can we say a$$ licker? Make it more obvious why don't you.

You say ridiculous as if the name of the thread was Hi I am a poop head. Quit exagerating already.

quote:Cause i laugh at this obviously ridiculous thread

Yet the dumb f**** is still here.

F***** retard.'

From here so you all can get the context and the replys ect- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/005942.html

posted July 15, 2005 12:16 PM         

I don't have control over that forum.. other than posting and moderating in a basic humanistic way....
I understand what you are saying, I see it too.. but I am not too woried about LL's future....
It takes all kinds, and sometimes negativiety just reaffirms our belief in the positive.. it makes us think whats worth defending and what moves us to do so.
The offending party has been banned before for the same thing. I thought it was improving, and it is.. but everyonce and a while when she has a bad day, it's there... I think tolerance is needed, for LindaLand is like real life. I have bad days too... and despite the negativity sometimes, there is always someone to lend a hand and help or share.
ALWAYS.

Here is my post, just so you know ( it was in the 'why noone wants to help me' thread...)

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From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
posted July 14, 2005 02:47 AM
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I think the point was he was banned for abusing people verbally.. like calling them names, because in the 'rules' it states to be respectful.
I don't think I have to explain it though, as you know.
Riiiiiggggghtttt???????
And as an aside.. I liked Carlo. But he knew you can't just keep offending people with no recourse..
If it happened at your job, then more than likely you'd be reprimanded, and then fired, if the warnings didn't help.
If you started a fight in a club, you'd more than likely be kicked out.
It's societal to be repectful.. I mean, disagree all you want.. but resorting to name calling is counter productive to the cause of being heard.
It certainly gets attention though.

*So does a nipple piercing.. ie;Janet Jackson.. just saying....

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posted July 15, 2005 12:29 PM         

So, I was there, in my own way, trying to clarify and not drag it down....

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pixelpixie
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From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
posted July 13, 2005 10:23 PM
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Hey, pretend we are playing a version of Rocks, Paper, Scissors...
Are you with me so far?
K, so rocks beats scissors....
Scissors beats Paper
so if you follow the line of thinking then,

PP beats TP.
Get what I'm saying?
I believe the peace was being a'made, people were having their say, and listening, and then TP goes and covers it up with ( well intentioned, in a twisted way, as in defending her friend) but it was still covered with TP.
What's on TP?
PP.
That's me.
I'm on it.
I'm on to the idea also, that Leoelf could handle it, and was doing just fine, and didn't need you to come on in and blast everyone with those words.
Highly unneccesary and unreasonable.
Defend her in other ways.

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posted July 15, 2005 01:00 PM         

frankly i don't care who you love or whose butt you choose to lick

you're a clueless dolt
POST meaning AFTER, you dum-dum"

So, what? It all depends on how long you've been here and how many "friends" you have?
That warrants behavior like this, right?
Towards me? A person who NEVER SAID ANYTHING
to this woman?

Yeah, TP may have used alot of foul language, but she didn't go out of her way to create problems.

This place just isn't what it used to be and I've accepted that.
God, I don't even feel comfortable asking for love or prayer here (which I need now more than ever) anymore in fear of someone making a hurtful comment towards me.

Point blank, if I asked someone to stop addressing me in a thread, and they continue to do it ON TOP of being negative, why wasn't that moderated?

posted July 15, 2005 01:59 PM         

and leoelf, look around, no one here has ever seen me use foul language. calling someone ignorant, a dolt, dum-dum, idiot are about as low as i go. by the way, i don't necessarily believe this is a matter of me having more friends here than you. but more about people sharing an opinion with me or you. i don't care who has more votes. you have plenty of support here, why not just sit still and know that perhaps you belong just like any other person, including old-timers.

also, you really need to look at a knowflake's behaviour over a period of time. you cannot take someone like me who has been here over 3 years (i changed my name due to lost password from 02') and judge them in the same way you'd judge a knowflake whose been here for a few months and has 1) been thrown off the boards repeatedly and 2) repeats the same offenses for which she was thrown off in those other instances.

i generally don't fly off the handle, i honestly don't think i ever have. and only when i am attacked or provoked do i retaliate with words.

again people, i'm sorry for causing trouble

posted July 15, 2005 02:32 PM         

leoelf~ my thoughts are with you. ok?

posted July 15, 2005 03:14 PM         

This is a very big family and this is a very large house. Everything is not always going to be peace and light...big family but on balance it's pretty peaceful. There were times when there have been incidents and people who divided the membership. I remember Ace Yellow and some others who seemed to be here only to start arguments or who at some point fell into that mode. But on balance there have been few.

The main thing I look for is that when the dust settles, the love is still here...like you would expect in a family, even a family as large as LindaLand. It seems a shame anyone would deprive themselves of such a nice place to share their thoughts and opinions, learn from a range of forums and also share their own knowledge. It's also seems a shame to me they would deprive us of the benefits the rest of us derive from their presence here.

There have been more than two hundred and seventy-five thousand posts..275,000, spread over more than 19,000 topics, the overwhelming majority of them quite peaceful.

posted July 15, 2005 03:24 PM         

mods - I know you can ban names. But is there a way to block IP Address so this behavior wont happen again under another name?

Leoelf - I'm sorry but i have to disagee with you on that TP didnt go out of her way to creat problems. Thats false. SHe attcked me for absolutly no reason at all. You said your self you werent offended or upset by anything i posted - yet she attacked me. I got the "Angel_of_Hell" yet again from her. Along with a few other hurtful word. I may cuse at times, but i never direct my cuse words in hurtful ways toward anyone. Not even my closest firends joking around. Not my style. That i dont appreciate and it hurt. It really did. In other posts she had been friendly and fair with me and then this for no obvious reason. so again, i disagree.

nice words Jwhop!!

ang-