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Sheaa Olein
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posted July 22, 2005 09:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sheaa Olein     Edit/Delete Message
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm

A man has been shot dead by armed officers at Stockwell Tube station, as police hunt four would-be bombers.
Passenger Mark Whitby told BBC News he had seen a man of Asian appearance shot five times by "plain-clothes police officers" with a handgun.

"I saw the gun being fired five times into the guy - he is dead," he said.

Passengers were evacuated from the Northern Line station in south London. The incident followed four attempted bombings in the capital on Thursday
Police have cordoned off a 200-metre area around Stockwell station.

Services on the Victoria and Northern lines were suspended following a request by the police.

Ambulances, including an air ambulance, have been sent to the scene at Stockwell.

Mr Whitby, told BBC News: "I was sitting on the train reading my paper.

"I heard a load of noise, people saying, 'Get out, get down!'

"I saw an Asian guy run onto the train hotly pursued by three plain-clothes police officers.

'Bomb belt'

"One of them was carrying a black handgun - it looked like an automatic - they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him."

BBC Home affairs correspondent Margaret Gilmore said officers had challenged a known suspect they had been following.

"He ran, they followed him. They say they gave him a warning, they then shot him.

"They brought in the air ambulance. They did everything they can to revive him. He died at the scene."

Police had warned they would shoot to kill if they believed somebody to be a threat, she added.

BBC crime correspondent Neil Bennett said the suspect was being followed as a result of CCTV footage seen by officers investigating Thursday's explosions.

The Muslim Council of Britain said Muslims were concerned about a possible "shoot to kill" policy.

Spokesman Inayat Bunglawala said "There may well be reasons why the police felt it necessary to unload five shots into the man and shoot him dead, but they need to make those reasons clear.

"It's vital the police give a statement about what occurred and explain why the man was shot dead."

Another passenger on the train, Anthony Larkin, told BBC News the man had been wearing a "bomb belt with wires coming out".

"I've seen these police officers shouting, 'Get down, get down!', and I've seen this guy who appears to have a bomb belt and wires coming out.

"People were panicking and I heard shots being fired."

Former Flying Squad officer, John O'Connor, told BBC News: "The man shot must either be one of the bombers or a potential suicide bomber."

Bombers "don't always carry sports bags" and the man could easily have been wearing a bomb belt, he added.

If he had been challenged by police and failed to stop they "have not got a lot of alternative", Mr O'Connor told BBC News.

Officers would be trained to aim for the head as shots to the torso could trigger a hidden explosive device, he added.

Londoner Dan Copeland was in the carriage in which the man was shot.

He told BBC News: "We were sitting for a few minutes on the platform, then we heard shouting from the concourse between the two platforms.

'Dull bangs'

"Then the man burst in through the door to my right and grabbed hold of the pole and a person by the glass partition near the door, diagonally opposite me.

"An officer jumped on the door to my left and screamed, 'Everybody out!'

"People just froze in their seats cowering for a few seconds and then leapt up.

"As I turned out the door onto the platform, I heard four dull bangs.

"I ran past an armed officer who was standing on the platform and ran up the stairs."

After Thursday's London blasts, the bombers fled when detonators went off, causing small blasts, but failed to detonate the bombs themselves.

A massive hunt is under way for the men. Analysts believe evidence from the four scenes - at Oval, Shepherd's Bush, Warren Street and on a bus in Shoreditch in east London - could throw light onto the bomb attacks carried out on 7 July.

On Thursday, it is thought detonators went off, causing small blasts, but failed to detonate the bombs themselves.

The attempted attacks caused travel chaos across the capital, with several lines closed and Tube stations evacuated.

Scotland Yard commissioner Sir Ian Blair said the attacks had been intended to kill people.


How long will this type of nonsensical terror continue for??

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ariestiger
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posted July 22, 2005 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariestiger     Edit/Delete Message
Wow, yeah, I just read that as well. Good to know the police are on to something & are taking it in hand.

BTW Sheaa - thanks for your email yesterday

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Sheaa Olein
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posted July 22, 2005 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sheaa Olein     Edit/Delete Message
No problem hon Yeah, police are really on the ball nowadays, I wondered why there was so much security around the town centre today.

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pixelpixie
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posted July 22, 2005 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message

This whole scene is just sad.

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Yang
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posted July 22, 2005 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yang     Edit/Delete Message
I heard that the guy they shot down wasn't even one of the four suspects.

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maklhouf
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posted July 23, 2005 07:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message

Sheaa, you've really got to stop beleiving everything you read in the paper. Those guys weren't in uniform, so how could he know the people chasing him were policemen?
my feeling is, he had drugs on him.
In that Brixton area there are a lot of drug related killings, not least by the police.
We will all be safer when or if the bloody police put their uniforms on again.

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maklhouf
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posted July 23, 2005 07:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
Plus: the police also menaced the terrified train driver, who ran into a tunnel to escape from them. They held a gun to his head, and now all the Drivers are considering industrial action

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aqua
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posted July 24, 2005 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aqua     Edit/Delete Message
yeah i heard about it too.he guy who was shot was from brazil.

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marcia
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posted July 24, 2005 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for marcia     Edit/Delete Message
I feel so bad but I know the police are on high alert. The guy ran and made himself look even more suspicious. He should of not have ran.

Poor guy.

May he R.I.P

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Sheaa Olein
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posted July 25, 2005 04:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sheaa Olein     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
Sheaa, you've really got to stop beleiving everything you read in the paper
- and a yawn? You think this is boring maklhouf?

maklhouf ~ that was the news reported as it happened on the day. It wasn't hearsay at the time - I took it from the BBC website as it was reported and yes - entrusted that the news was accurate if the BBC had chosen to report it.

If you're frustrated by how the press report things, please refrain from getting 'narky' with me just because the details were inaccurate.

Of course the story changed as the details unfolded over the weekend, I wasn't logged on to change them - yes it turned out he was innocent.

I tend to believe news like that when it's broadcast over all station channels on the day. I felt (and still fell) it's valid news to pass on as it happens - especially in view of the recent bombing here.

quote:
Family mourn for Brazilian victim
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711779.stm

Family interviews
Relatives and friends of Jean Charles de Menezes, the Brazilian man shot by police in London, have expressed their grief, shock and anger at the killing.
His London-based cousin, Alex Pereira, paid tribute to him but sharply criticised authorities for the error.

His grandmother said there was no reason for considering him a terrorist.

The 27-year-old was fatally shot after boarding a train at Stockwell underground station on Friday, a day after failed attacks on the network.





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maklhouf
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posted July 26, 2005 04:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
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Yeah, police are really on the ball nowadays

that's not news, that's opinion. Usually it is the opinion of the lowest common newsrag.
My main prupose in posting is I feel I besmirched the name of an innocent man. The police decided that because he had some extra pockets in his jacket, they must contain a bomb. I thought it more likely he had a little hash on him. But it turns out he was a electrician carrying the tools of his trade.
While shocked and horrified at the fate of the hunted man, I am glad it is an international incident, as that makes it more difficult for the authorities to turn a blind eye, as they usually do.

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Sheaa Olein
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posted July 26, 2005 10:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sheaa Olein     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, and I agree that it's horrific that he was innocent - but I didn't know that at the time, how could I have?

Why are you directing your anger at me? Please don't, because ultimately, we have the same feeling on this maklhouf. I don't think my opinion is of the 'lowest common newsrag', I was just saying how much police are around. Yes I was hurt by you're posts to me, but retaliation on this is pointless. I understand you feel strongly on this - as I do.

I don't have disgreement of any sort with you maklhouf, if you understand how this thread panned out with misinformation - from the press - I don't see how you would with me either.

There's no need for us to argue on something we actually feel the same on. Do you agree?

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maklhouf
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posted July 27, 2005 07:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
You are reading too much emotion into my posts towards yourself. My feelings are about the police. After committing a minor traffic offence, I was once pursued for miles by a casually dressed chap on a motor bike who expected me somehow to have guessed he was a police officer. I am pis$ed off with the way everybody is bigging up the police. These are the people whose mindset is to let a victim bleed to death, because it's not "safe" to let the medics go and help him. Of course they'd only be brave enough to shoot an innocent man.

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