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sue g
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posted September 19, 2005 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
To any parents out there....

What do you think of young children getting homework, or youngsters of any age...

And where you live do you kids get much and if so do you find it an effort at times like when they are tired or want to go to friends to play etc?

Thanks guys

Love

Sue xx

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Bluemoon
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posted September 19, 2005 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bluemoon     Edit/Delete Message
My daughter gets a homework package on Monday that has to be turned in by friday. She is in the 2nd grade. She can be quite a pain about doing it. She is too bizzy. And she has such a mouth on her. Not at school, only to me. DISRESPECTFUL!!!!!!!!! We are working on that!

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LibraSparkle
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posted September 19, 2005 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LibraSparkle     Edit/Delete Message
We live in Washington state.

I think homework is important. Personally, I don't think my kids get enough. They get a packet like BlueMoon's too. They are in 2nd and 3rd grade. The homework they get usually only takes a couple days (at 20 minute intervals) after school to complete.

On days they don't have any homework, I have grade appropriate workbooks for them to work in.

They can work in their workbooks, or read a chapter book for 20 minutes after school each day.

It isn't really an effort to get them to do it. They know it has to be done. It isn't an option. It doesn't take that much of their time, and I NEVER hear, "Mom, I'm bored!" anymore. They know what my response will be. They find clever ways of entertaining themselves. Sometimes they even choose to work in their workbooks out of boredom.

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The Mutable Night Force
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posted September 19, 2005 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Mutable Night Force     Edit/Delete Message
EDIT: Oh wait, sorry, just read it said for parents only.
Sorry Sue...

Ok, well, um, no one shoot me down for my views here. I mean, it's a free speaking forum and opinions are encouraged....
So IMO, I think children in general (not just me, younger kids too) get too much pressure from school. It consumes the first whole chunk of your life anyway, and pupils are forced to do far too many unnecessary tests, which has got to be unhealthy. As for homework, it either ranges from being piled on like crazy (beginning of year) to hardly any (end of year).
Good thing I have to stop now otherwise I might have gone on a time-consuming rant about how cr*p and condecending most teachers are nowadays, (esp. to little kids).
Sorry. I'll shut up now.

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AcousticGod
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posted September 19, 2005 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
My mom (Leo) believes that my early overload of homework (in grades 4-6 mostly), which I was very diligent with, contributed to my stopping doing homework later in high school. Don't know if she's right or not.

Educational psychologists my parents took me to found my IQ to be high, but suggested I write too slow. That was very true. Homework would take me forever if I did it.

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Is it still true in Ireland that kids who don't get good grades/marks are looked down upon by their peers? My Dublinner friend said that that was how it was there.

In America a lot of kids are lazy, and neither the other kids nor the parents seem to care enough. My parents would just punish me for bad grades, but they never sought to help correct the problem or reinforce good things. I guess I only say this in hopes that you parents out there do seek to assist your kids on your kid's terms. My parents are both fire signs, and still largely don't understand me or my motivations.

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Touchstone
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posted September 19, 2005 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Touchstone     Edit/Delete Message
Josh being the way he is, homework is a REAL uphill struggle. He gets 10 spellings to learn a week, one piece of numeracy and literacy homework plus his reading book.

I think he's too young (emotionally at least) for spellings! I never got spelling tests that young.

He finds it very tiring, trying to write down his homework (he struggles with handwriting) but he does like to read so I'm not putting too much pressure on him at this stage. I think he gets enough handwriting practice at school.

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sue g
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posted September 19, 2005 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks guys......just wanna add......would appreciate anyones' response, whether you be parents or kids that struggled/enjoyed homework......so this thread is open to

E V E R Y B O D Y

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future_uncertain
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posted September 20, 2005 08:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message
Touchstone~ how old is your son?

Sue~ My little guy just started kindergarten and they have homework every night except Friday and their birthday. The assignments take from 5-30 minutes and they're designed to involve parental interaction with the days' lessons. Some of them are more fun and some are more work:

EX~ one day the assignment was to play "I Spy" with colors; another day we would work on writing his name, or reciting his address and telephone number.

The only thing I don't like is that from the time I get off work until he has to go to bed we only have four hours. If anything at all has to be done (grocery shopping, visiting a friend or relative) that makes it necessary to crunch homework in, and I don't like to rush through it. I want him to have a healthy attitude toward homework, not to look at it as a chore that has to hurry up and get done.

When he's older this won't be as much of a problem, but since he's only five he still needs a lot of sleep, so our after-school time is pretty short!

Overall I think homework is a good thing, especially for the parent who wants to be involved in their child's education. It's a great way to be involved, especially during the younger years. I also think that it's important for children to have unstructured time, like MNF was saying-- there is more to life than school!

Belated best wishes on everyone's new school year, by the way!

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Stargazer
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posted September 20, 2005 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message
What a great topic! Homework is piled on thick here! 3rd-grader has 1-1.5 hours 4 days a week plus reading 20 min. She is a taurus and loves school which makes things easier. All day KG for my son (Scorpio) -packet sent home on Mon.-due Fri. plus 20 min. reading. They really push them hard.
I am Old Scool- (early 70's for elementary). Long gone are the days of "Dick and Jane". In fact, the School District recommends that if your child turns five over the summer before KG, hold them back. They are often not ready for the structure.
Add 7 hours a week in the studio for dance and 2 karate classes. Mix in the bed, bath and beyond routine and it makes for a very full week.
My b-day is 8/24. School would start on my b-day. Youngest in my class. Did fine! I think that if the expectations are met by the student, there is not a whole lot we parents can say.

btw- anyone have any suggestions for constructive free time stuff for the scorpio (male- 5)? A loner of sorts. Has always entertained himself and likes it. No real interest in any sports. Likes to fish???

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Bluemoon
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posted September 20, 2005 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bluemoon     Edit/Delete Message
Help him make a fishing game with a stick, paper fish, magnets, glue, string and a paper clip. Or play match the fish. You can put numbers or letters on them or make them differnt colors.

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Devilfish
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posted September 20, 2005 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Devilfish     Edit/Delete Message

i started homeschooling my kids after i discovered the truth about homework
my kids were outta school for a month due to a measles outbreak(they are un vaccinated)
during that time they had about thirty minutes total of worksheets 5 days a week. after this 30 days ended we found out there grades shot up by entire grade levels (Cs and Bs to As and Bs)that was 2nd and 3rd grade.
the years following i homeschooled all four of our kids.i really was / am an easy going teacher no pressure very casual pace.
this year we decided to put our two oldest in junior high (6th and 7th)to get adjusted to school structure for high school college ect.
they both scored high on there entry test.
now they are bringing home As and Bs but they have tons of homework, some nights we are up until 11:00 , if i had one child it wouldnt be so bad with two its hard and if i had all four in school(still homeschool my six and nine year old) i would be exhausted.
i think alot of a childs public school education comes from homework and parental help.sometimes i really wonder what they do in class.

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future_uncertain
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posted September 20, 2005 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message
Wow, Stargazer. That sounds pretty rough. (You aren't too far away from me, BTW... about an hour and a half.) My son also goes all day every day. What are your thoughts on this?

Bluemoon... I loved your fishing game idea. Cute!

Devilfish... I like your method~ homeschool until jr. high, then adjust for HS and college. Very cool. I had always thought of homeschooling as all or nothing. I wish I could homeschool, but it's not feasible for me. Congrats on your kids' grades!

*Good job to all the mommies and daddies who are active in their child/ren's education!*

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Aphrodite
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posted September 20, 2005 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aphrodite     Edit/Delete Message
Hmm, I liked homework because it was interesting and . . .

Got me out of doing boring stuff like chores around the house or eating dinners I didn't feel like eating . . .

"Oh, I'm busy with schoolwork . . . "
"Hmm, I am reading a book . . ."

After avoiding housework, as long as I diligently took my shower and put away the laundry and clean dishes, I got to watch TV . . . even got nice snacks.

Clever, eh?

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future_uncertain
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posted September 20, 2005 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message
Bad Aphrodite! No more nice snacks for you!

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ILove
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posted September 20, 2005 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ILove     Edit/Delete Message
Hi sue g....great topic

I have a scorp boy in the 4th grade. It is and has been a nightmare in regards to homework. We sometimes are still doing it 1.5 later, at which time I say enough is enough! The average day is still one hour! He lugs home his backpack with three and four books, plus papers from other subjects. That is nuts, these are kids and are expected to carry that huge load. We have had broken packs from the weight. I think the class sizes are high and the standards getting tougher and tougher, which leads to more to do at home. Parents are pretty much required to participate and 1.5 hours when I have other kids and dinner too! It is hard, especially when I look over and see this smart, creative, loving kid feeling dumber by the minute. I will share with you that while at school he is easily distracted, so he gets behind. The teachers tell me he uses pencils, torn up paper, erasers for play(he use to sneak "real toys" before the teacher called me, but that didn't stop him, he has pencils! lol So, I may have a more unique situation than some, as he likes school for the social aspect and lunch, but good student(for what they teach) he is not! I have thought about home school, but I don't know, I would be frustrated 24/7. So I think I would be needing some meds first! lol Which I'm not into, so.....what do you think? We both have scorp boys!!

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Devilfish
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posted September 20, 2005 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Devilfish     Edit/Delete Message
thanks future, i am really proud of em,ive recieved so much doubt in my methods over the years that it feels good to brag a bit

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future_uncertain
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posted September 20, 2005 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message
You're welcome, Devilfish! You should be proud!


ILove~ is this your only child? He sounds persistent... good for him! If it doesn't serve him well now, it will later if it's directed. Your situation sounds frustrating though. And all that weight(in the backpacks) isn't good for the kids. The schools around here have discussed the same problem. If his classes are huge, it's no wonder he's not as focused as he could be. I hope Sue has some good advice for you. Good luck!

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sue g
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posted September 21, 2005 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks so much guys for all your posts......generous in heart and spirit as usual!!

Hi ILove,

How are you girl?

Well yes we both have Scorpio boys (phew). our little one will be 7 in November. He knew from an early age that he wanted to be an artist....he paint, paint, paints a LOT and sings and dances and plays instruments sometimes. He struggles with doing homework and always comes from school saying he is bored.His bedroom is like a fairy grotto.........we create magic!!!

He has a very strong imagination and school doesnt really fuel that I am afraid. I just explain to him that the things we learn at school are necessary but I dont put pressure on him all the time. If he is really tired I will write a note to his teacher and explain that he wasnt able to do homework......as a rule I would encourage him to do it, although I am not a believer of homework at such a young age. In Scandinavian countries the kids dont learn to read and write until they are 6 or 7 and tend to learn faster anyway!!

As for your little boy, being a Scorp myself, I ws a late developer, good at English and drama and music and that was about it...couldnt stand the rest.

What I do with our little one is encourage his creativity all the time (after all that is want he WANTS to do)......I think sometimes forcing a child only results in misery and rebellion. My mother was great for encouraging and saying "just do your best that is all you can do", I always found this comforting and fair and it took the pressure off me.

I was with my Scorpio music teacher today, he is a BRILLIANT musician...he felt dumb at school cos he couldnt grasp maths (like me)......he is now an amazing member of the community and everyone loves and respects him. OMG you should hear him play, he is MIGHTY !!!

ILove I would talk with the teacher and say that the reason he is restless is becos he has a highly creative personality....and research proves this type of person may be slower in certain other areas.

I know when our son comes in today from school.....I will give him an hour to rest and do what he wants....paint, play etc and then I will mention the "H" word....he will protest, but I willsay to him "no prob, I will help" and the struggle will be over (for another day)......

Deep in my heart, I know these kids are gonna turn out to be brilliant........after all whenever did an accountant go down in history as a prominent figure.....now Jimmy Hendrix, thats a different matter LOL !!!

Thanks again friends

Sue xx

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sue g
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posted September 21, 2005 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
My 80 year old Cappy mother said to me the other night......"they shouldnt have homework, they are too young and should have time for fun:.......maybe she wasnt so different to me in some ways !!!!
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LibraSparkle
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posted September 21, 2005 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LibraSparkle     Edit/Delete Message
I think school and homework are important for reasons besides the knowledge children gain.

As parents, one of our jobs is to teach our children to grow into responsible, productive adults that handle their business.

I think daily homework can help children achieve this.

I volunteer in the classroom pretty often. The children that don't always do their homework regularly are the ones who are considered slow, or don't know what's going on in class. They need lots of extra help.

The children that don't regularly do their homework are the ones who get bad marks on their report cards. I also assume the children who don't do their homework regularly are the ones who aren't going to grow into responsible, productive adults that handle their business. How could they grow into that? There is no one at home to help them achieve responsibility.

I don't see anything wrong with being required to do homework along with your children. It is our job as parents to be behind our children in their education. It is not the school's sole responsibility to teach our children. It is OUR responsibility as parents to back the teacher, and help our children learn in any way possible.

It is not our job as parents to be these children's friends. Being their friends doesn't come until later in life, AFTER they have become the responsible, productive adults we have been working so very hard to help them become.

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sue g
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posted September 21, 2005 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
........and then of course there are the "lucky" ones who dont do a scrap of homework and go on to be brilliant anyway......met a few of them in me time.......usually air signs LOL......

Sue xxx

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sue g
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posted September 21, 2005 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
Ooooh would like to hear what people think about being friends with their children.......maybe I got it wrong, but our son, his Da and me are great friends......there is also huge respect between us. He asks when he wants something, always says please and thanks and when he pushes too far he is corrected.....but we are great friends!!

His teacher called his Da over after class yesterday and said to him "Your son is a very polite, quiet and sweet boy but is not afraid to stand in front of the class and speak up".....she is very pleased with his progress!!!

The one thing which saddened me about my own mum was the fact that she was so intent on controlling my sis and I she never was a friend to us........I wished she had of been.......it would have taken away some of my fear

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posted September 21, 2005 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I agree, but often children have a problem with the parent of the same sex. Boys and their fathers don't get along, and girls and their mothers don't get along. The challenges may come later.

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posted September 21, 2005 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LibraSparkle     Edit/Delete Message
Well, Sue... It sounds to me like you have found a healthy balance.

There are many parents that are more friend than parent... and their children behave terribly.

I have a couple friends that I would love to sit down and lecture about the disservice they are doing their children by not having any boundaries, rules, chores, or requirements of them what-so-ever... basically because they are trying to be their friend... the cool parent. IMO, this is just as bad for their development as abuse. Its a whole other kind of abuse, really.

I just bite my tongue with these couple of gals. I have tried suggesting in the past (to one in particular) that maybe what she is doing, or NOT doing with her child creates his behavioral problems... Boy Howdy did she get p!ssed!

So, I learned my lesson there and don't bother to mention that maybe if she were to PARENT her child, he wouldn't behave like such a monster. If she wants to believe that his misbehaving is because he's a bad little boy, then go she can go right ahead. It is unfortunate that she will never know that her child didn't behave well because she wasn't a very good parent.

My sister is also a victim of the Friend/Cool parent. She is 17 years old, doesn't know how to fry an egg... much less unload a dish washer. She hasn't gone to school regularly since she was in 5th grade. She tells dad she doesn't feel like going for whatever reason, and he says, "OK", letting her get away with it to avoid confrontation.

He even pays her $35 a week to (NOT)clean the house. She never does it... he still pays her. Its sickening, really.

She has had three pregnancy scares this year, and to top it off has contracted herself a wonderful STD that cannot be cured. (Nothing life threatening, thankfully!)

The child has no idea how to be responsible for herself.

I blame both of these situations entirely on Parents trying to be Friends and forgetting to be Parents.

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sue g
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posted September 21, 2005 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Libra Sparkly I see where you are coming from girl......but sorry dont like the word "lecture"......it reminds me of shcool LOL :

Sue xx

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