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Topic: Victorian Erotic Literature
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future_uncertain
Knowflake Posts: 2681
From: ohio
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted October 25, 2005 11:14 PM
 
Has anyone read this stuff??Wow! What a unique view of the people who covered up the legs of tables in fear that they may be too suggestive! IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
Knowflake Posts: 5301
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 26, 2005 05:43 PM
What do you recommend???  IP: Logged |
TINK
Knowflake Posts: 3831
From: New England
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted October 26, 2005 07:25 PM
The Victorian age was so strange like that,wasn't it? So uptight and repressed on the one hand, but on the other hand you could you could easily buy a 15 year old prostitute for an hour for the equivalent of $5 or $10 dollars. Talk about a Madonna/***** complex! Incest was also unbelievably common. Very odd.IP: Logged |
TINK
Knowflake Posts: 3831
From: New England
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted October 26, 2005 07:27 PM
Oh for God's sake! I can't say wh*re!!Randall!!??
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pixelpixie
Knowflake Posts: 5301
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 26, 2005 10:42 PM
You also can't say **** or **** or **** or ****.
Try it!
But you can say ass.Incest ...... ick. IP: Logged |
Lemingtyne
Knowflake Posts: 185
From: U.S.
Registered: May 2005
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posted October 26, 2005 10:54 PM
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future_uncertain
Knowflake Posts: 2681
From: ohio
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted October 27, 2005 12:13 AM
OMG, Pix... you and Tink have me cracking up!I have a book on this stuff... borrowed it from a classmate when we took a women's victorian lit class together. I can't post it because it's pretty explicit. Kind of intriguing, though. That was a very odd era. I have a bit of knowledge just because of some classes I have taken, but they were pretty in-depth courses. If anyone wants to discuss this era, I'd love to hear your thoughts. *I'll see if I can find something postable. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
Knowflake Posts: 11943
From: Pleasanton, CA, USA
Registered: May 2005
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posted October 27, 2005 12:15 AM
I've never read any.IP: Logged |
Johnny
Knowflake Posts: 2056
From: Colorado, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted October 27, 2005 03:32 AM
The Victorians covered up the legs of tables because they thought they were suggestive?? Rofl!!On a somewhat darker note, did you know that routine infant circumcision in America started as a result of Victorian doctors trying to "cure" masturbation? I wish I had a time machine... IP: Logged |
aqua
Knowflake Posts: 2805
From: dreamland
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted October 27, 2005 05:27 AM
neither have i .sounds good to me!  IP: Logged |
maklhouf
Knowflake Posts: 1392
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Registered: Nov 2003
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posted October 27, 2005 08:26 AM
start with Fanny Hill by John Clelan. If you like bondage and pain, the story of O is good. And yes, it is totally ridiculous about wh0re. I've said it before.------------------
'The stone which the builders rejected, the same was made the head of the corner. ... Matthew 21:42 IP: Logged |
trillian
Knowflake Posts: 4050
From: The Boundless
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted October 27, 2005 09:21 AM
The Story of O isn't Victorian, though, is it? It's been so long since I read it, but it seems to me it's far more modern than that. Like 1940's or 1950's. Maybe I still have the book around at home somewhere. In O, the physical S/m was far less telling than the emotional bondage. I do have a reprint of an alleged erotic autobiography of a Victorian gentleman somewhere, but it was published anonymously. Also striking is that plump women were generally considered to be more attractive than thin. Interesting subject. ------------------
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pixelpixie
Knowflake Posts: 5301
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 27, 2005 01:44 PM
Haha. I read the story of O, and I see Trillian's beat me to debunking the victorian thing. I'm sure it wasn't.Re, that whole circumcision/masturbation thing? Ugh.
I didn't do it to my boy, and wouldn't if I had another, no matter how muh the dad wanted it..
It's a matter of social convention, and well.. more uncut men than ever around north America now. So normal is subjective. IP: Logged |
future_uncertain
Knowflake Posts: 2681
From: ohio
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted October 27, 2005 01:44 PM
The collection of stories I have is quite graphic! And, yes, they really did cover furniture legs for that reason. Some of you have talked about incest and prostitution... see what happens when natural drives are repressed? Now, of course it's different if someone were to choose a celibate lifestyle, but when society dictates it, that's a whole 'nother story. I also love the period right after the Victorian era, at the turn of the century, when women were coming into their own. Has anyone read The Awakening by Kate Chopin? Wonderful story. There is so much great literature from that period. It's interesting to read the thoughts these women had, how sensual and erotic their words are. Very exciting, really, to see these things expressed in a newly liberated fashion (even though many of these works were banned during the period.) Goes to show how very far we've come, ladies! IP: Logged |
future_uncertain
Knowflake Posts: 2681
From: ohio
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted October 27, 2005 01:49 PM
Pix... props to you for foregoing the circumcision. Sadly, I had my son circumcised (his father's choice, although I would have preferred not to do it.) I see it as senseless mutilation.What p*ssed me off the most about it is that the doctors didn't even tell me when they were doing it. THEY LIED TO ME! I asked where they were taking my baby and they said they were checking his temp, etc. They had just taken him a half hour before for that. They said they had to check again. Half an hour later I asked where my baby was and that's when they told me. I was terribly, terribly sad. It still breaks my heart to this day. They said they didn't tell me the truth because they didn't want me to worry. B*LLSHIT! Aggghhhh... just one more reason I hate most things about the medical profession. IP: Logged |
TINK
Knowflake Posts: 3831
From: New England
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted October 27, 2005 03:48 PM
I adore The Awakening. "Some of you have talked about incest and prostitution... see what happens when natural drives are repressed?" My thoughts exactly. One extreme always leads to another. Although, I think the rampant incest was basically found among the rural lower classes and they weren't really held up to the Victorian moral code they way the upper classes were. There were some good things about the Victorian Age, but I think you're right, Future, that the Edwardian Age was much nicer on the whole. The Edwardians were really just the Victorians loosened up and given a sense of humor, weren't they? Hey, I'm a sucker for a Merchant Ivory film.  Have you read Young's Portrait of an Age? It's a nice little essay with some interesting things to say about the basic dichotomy in Victorian thought.
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Johnny
Knowflake Posts: 2056
From: Colorado, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted October 27, 2005 04:50 PM
God, Future - that's got to be one of the most horrific hospital horror stories I've ever heard. I would bet an outlandish amount of money that you have grounds for a lawsuit, there. Just thinking about it makes me furious. And yeah, Pix (can I call you that? =) ), I'm definetly with Future about the props to you. And I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that your son will be, if he ever discovers what you saved him from. I wish my mom had been as enlightened as you!! God damn those Victorians...  IP: Logged |
maklhouf
Knowflake Posts: 1392
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Registered: Nov 2003
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posted October 28, 2005 08:05 AM
circumcision is a universal code, no more Victorian than the story of O? Its a tribal rite of passage for men. More merciful to do it to a babe than an adolescent methinks.IP: Logged |
trillian
Knowflake Posts: 4050
From: The Boundless
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted October 28, 2005 08:51 AM
Ah, mak, that is a huge can of worms and there is an entire old thread about the subject.I can't understand how anyone could see genital mutilation as merciful, at any age. And as for "rite of passage," well, rite of passage into what? Knowing horrible pain and mutilation? The end (rite of passage) does not justify the means.  ------------------
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maklhouf
Knowflake Posts: 1392
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posted October 28, 2005 09:03 AM
I'd like to read that thread you mention.
The whole thing about pain and mutilation is huge, but it is an undoubted fact that young men all over world are proud of having withstood the pain of circumcision. Pain can be liberating, however I struggle with whether I have a right to inflict pain on any body, including my ownIP: Logged |
pixelpixie
Knowflake Posts: 5301
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 28, 2005 09:58 AM
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/002317.html
Yay search function.Rites of passage or not, I think I'd rather be involved in a show of strength, in a ritualistic way if it involves something of my choice.... many cultures and religions have rites of passage and growing rituals.. Circumcision in this cuture is a propagated myth about cleanliness and religious tradition.. and, as has been mentioned, an unenlightened 'cure'.. much like Kellogg's corn flakes?
Traditional or not, it is body mutilation, and is done too frequently.
I love my husband's circum-vented member, yet if it weren't, I would srill love it. I just think it is a big decision and too many people take it lightly, because 'everyone does it'. Future Uncertain... oh, I think we've talked about this before...
I would feel the same way you did.. but I know the lying part 'to protect me' would result in a need for protection from me.
It isn't a horrible injustice... he's still a wonderful little man, and still 'normal', so no harm done oficially.. the harm is in your feelings not being honoured. *hugs*
To ech their own, but I will have a strong opinion about this from my perspective. Anything that is so flippantly done, yet so painful and frankly unnecessary... it is like everyone endorsing free liposuction... unnecessary! Sometimes helpful, but not needed. IP: Logged |
Johnny
Knowflake Posts: 2056
From: Colorado, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted October 28, 2005 02:06 PM
You are a circumcised man, Maklhouf? Do you have any idea what is lost during circumcision? If you do not, then I highly, highly recommned NEVER looking into it. It will cast a shadow on your entire life. Simply put, no society, no parent, has the right to do that to a child.IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
Knowflake Posts: 5301
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 28, 2005 02:29 PM
Aw, Johnny.. ((((((hugs))))))IP: Logged |
future_uncertain
Knowflake Posts: 2681
From: ohio
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted October 28, 2005 03:22 PM
Agreeing wholeheartedly, Johnny, and hanging my head in shame...IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
Knowflake Posts: 5301
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 28, 2005 03:34 PM
Awwwwwwwwww, future...(((((((hugs))))))Get that head back up and stand tall.
Nothing to be done now, and you tried then, and no harm done. Now stop that.
You are a special person, so don't let that that guilt dim you. Look into your son's eyes for the only assurance you need or that matters.
Then let that little man hug you while his eyes sparkle with love for you.
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