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Topic: I never thought I would say this......
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Yang
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From: A temporary home
Registered: May 2004
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posted November 11, 2005 01:25 PM
 
Manners maketh a man (and a woman)IP: Logged |
Aphrodite
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Registered: Feb 2002
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posted November 11, 2005 02:10 PM
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fayte.m
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted November 11, 2005 02:59 PM
This brings up a subject of why people have children.
I would never expect or want my child to have to take care of me! That is disgusting to me! I did not give birth to him to obligate him to me or to force or expect him to take care of me! He has his own life and family to care for. To have children and think that they are supposed to take care of you... feels just so very wrong. Very selfish reason for having children to me.
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fayte.m
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted November 11, 2005 03:08 PM
Please..Thank You..You are Welcome..May I help?..Excuse me..
Common courtesy shown to any age persons is a good thing. Too many kids do not know or practice these. Not many adults do either. Hippie or not...Ma'am...Sir..Miss..Pardon me..all these I feel still have much merit.
And in this rapidly changing global community...we need to show proper ettiquitte and adjust and adapt to further diplomatic relations.
Our own president fails miserably at proper manners of the general type and the cross cultural type!
It is very embarrassing to see a leader or diplomat behave disrespectfully out of sheer cultural/cross cultural, ignorance!
Disgusting....
Worse yet..such ignorance of custom and manners can be disasterous in the political arena on the world stage.........IP: Logged |
geminstone
Knowflake Posts: 1007
From: Golden, CO
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted November 11, 2005 06:31 PM
Sue, I do hope that you do not invest more energy in this incident, than it is worth. I understand why there is frustration and, that you hold your Dad in heart. That is something that I, personally, respect.
However, this respect is of empathy. Life itself should be considered sacred... it is so, incredibly fragile and, yet, so resiliant. When we are hurt or, a loved one is given pain, we tend to forget that, every life has it's past.... no matter if the Life is 15 or, 115 years old, young or, otherwise. As far as respect, respect is felt through tolerance and acceptance of differences. Respect is not some rite of passage into the Golden Years or, some cracker jack prize that is handed out in badges. Respect is something I give when it is felt. No expectations,.... no judgements. If another does not give this to me, eh... who am I to think that I should somehow demand it. I see no empathy, tolerance or, holding of something so sacred, in the tagging of a young child, with ' Biitch '. I cannot help the curiousity I have, wondering how it is that there is given the name of an entertainer to which this child has been compared.... Tone Loc is welcomed into the home? I fail to see where this 'disrespectful Biitch' has shown such... as far as I can tell, she said ' Hi, how are you?' but, she's not Tone Loc in reality I suppose....? In our 'elders', we accept and 'respect' rigidity.... yet, we expect the 'Young' to bend. I believe that when Life is given it's Sacredness, respect just is. This, however, is only my own opinion and, I demand no respect of it. I find a whole lot of hypocracy in this string but, then I am a living one, just like all the rest. Not above anyone and, not below. I try to guide my own children not, by what is going to bring them 'popularity' that's a bit shallow in my opinion... do you want them to be who they are or just what will make them liked. You cannot say that name calling shows a lack of intelligence and, then turn around and post your seeming, lack of intelligence... unless of course that is where popularity may be yours... or, unless you are just plain human... I'm going to guess it be the latter. Love n Light ..... blah, blah, blah.... ~ geminstone IP: Logged |
juniperb
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From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted November 11, 2005 06:54 PM
Interestingly, elder does not necessarily mean old.ETYMOLOGY:
Middle English eldre, from Old English eldra; see al- 2 in Indo-European roots OTHER FORMS:
elder·ship (Noun)
Usage Note:
The adjective elder is not a synonym for elderly. In comparisons between two persons, elder means "older" but not necessarily "old": My elder sister is sixteen; my younger, twelve. (Eldest is used when three or more persons are compared: He is the eldest of four brothers.) In other contexts elder does denote relatively advanced age but with the added component of respect for a person's achievement, as in an elder statesman. If age alone is to be expressed, one should use older or elderly rather than elder: A survey of older Americans; an elderly waiter.·Unlike elder and its related forms, the adjectives old, older, and oldest are applied to things as well as to persons. 
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If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged |
sue g
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From: former land of the leprechaun
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted November 11, 2005 07:55 PM
My father happens to be a very giving and kind person, and I believe what ever age he was, he always acted kindly to others.......I just happened to believe he didnt deserve this treatment......thats all.....I didnt get these two last posts .....at all ???? What is the problem with that?And geminstone I can say what I like really, and if you cant tell by now that I come from the heart.....I would really look back at yerself girl.......you feel as tho you are coming from the head.....and not the heart.....blah blah blah !!! And I apologise for my seeming lack of intelligence.....hahaha !! I found that an odd comment too about popularity and shallowness.....hey.....how do you work that out....doesnt everyone who loves their family want them to be treated well....are you for real girl??????? IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 238
From: MOther & Father GOd
Registered: Feb 2008
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posted November 11, 2005 08:08 PM
the bottom line is
to respect everyone, no matter what
turn the other cheek
do not seek to keep the karmic circle going
end it, full serpent circle
and give it no energyeasier said then done
we can all agree
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sue g
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From: former land of the leprechaun
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted November 11, 2005 08:27 PM
No we cant all agree at all......I cant agree with those comments that were just passed....they feel cold and nitpicking to me......so no I wont agree on this occasion.Thanks anyway ! IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 238
From: MOther & Father GOd
Registered: Feb 2008
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posted November 11, 2005 08:39 PM
LOLI almost changed what I wrote, But I had hope
ah, let it roll off your back
Sue, The Queen of Love
Violet-Love Evil I love that bumper sticker
"Mean People Suck" Love and Light to ALL IP: Logged |
geminstone
Knowflake Posts: 1007
From: Golden, CO
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted November 11, 2005 09:03 PM
Thank You Lotus. Just remember what is said of beautiful words ... ~ Sue,
Somehow you have taken my post as an attack on your Dad and, of his integrity. I was doing no such thing. Also, I was not insulting your intelligence, I merely give an example to the fact that we are all human. As I stated, I am niether above or, below, any other. I try to let my heart be my guiding light however, in my head is where that 'human-ness' runs rampant.... as in yours. Please, re-read this string, from it's beginning.... and, if you do so, without defensiveness, I have no doubt that you will feel what intentions I have. Yes, actually, I am for 'real'.... what most don't get is that, I don't need the approval of anyone else to be it. Being liked for who I really am....? Yeah, that is the only way I would be comfortable with it. Letting something false about me bring me popularity....? I guess I see that as hiding me. If that makes me likable, I definitly don't want it. There is a difference between being treated well and being popular, in my own opinion and, that is where I am coming from. Hence, why tolerance is so very important... I do agree that ALL life deserves to be treated as WE OURSELVES, wish to be treated. When this does'nt happen, it is only the energy I direct, that will either move on without another glance or, defend with my heart's every breath. If it were me and my own Dad, I would feel the same but, I would also try to see beyond a young, punka$$ or, at least see, that this is only my perception and, not in truth, what that boy is. As I said though... my own way of seeing things... not right by all but, not necessarily wrong .... just how I feel.... just like you, I am entitled. ~ geminstone IP: Logged |
Aphrodite
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Registered: Feb 2002
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posted November 11, 2005 09:59 PM
Nevermind.IP: Logged |
sue g
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From: former land of the leprechaun
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted November 12, 2005 03:40 AM
Nevermind.....indeed.....agree to differ hey?Will practise turn the other cheek, although at times its very hard for a hot and passionate Scorpio not to become I N T E N S E.........at times.........  love Sue xxx IP: Logged |
CancerianMoon
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From: Sydney, Australia. Cancer Sun.....Gemini Moon.....Aqua Rising
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted November 12, 2005 04:07 AM
I agree with respect for elders too, however i feel its larger problem than just elders..children are growing up without respect for elderly..teachers..police.. fathers..mothers..sisters..brothers..they have not been given boundaries and so see everyone at the same level as themselves..and when alot of children dont even respect themselves..what can we expect from them?
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geminstone
Knowflake Posts: 1007
From: Golden, CO
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted November 12, 2005 05:20 AM
... I'm so, incredibly curious to know, just what level kids are truely on...? I believe that it is not youth who have lost respect for teachers, police, parents, etc... as Fayte pointed out in a post on this string, the abuse and misuse of people in these positions, has had an incredible impact. I would venture to bet that, in all those expectations, is found the perfect setup to failures. How is one to obtain self respect, when they are told in round about ways, that what they are really does not matter? ~ Sue, I do hope that you understand that, I relate completely, to how this incident affected you. My own Father is also, one of my dearest friends and, I would take this kind of blow of words as my own injury, as well. Turning the other cheek is tremendously difficult and, if I came off as being above this, believe me when I tell you, it is just as hard for me. It is only due to my own up-bringing and, being told to respect my elders, only to experience in my adulthood events that left me to wonder why... This is where my own issues around this come from.... and, again, the issues are only mine.... My apologies, if I came off as threatening anyone's integrity. It was not my intention.... ~ geminstone IP: Logged |
lioneye68
Knowflake Posts: 6062
From: Canada
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted November 12, 2005 05:40 AM
Hey, Sue
Get this. About 5 years ago, my father was mugged while jogging. He was accosted by 2 teens, punched to the ground, and had all of $5 stollen from his wallet (all he had on him). Yes, it infuriated me, and my siblings as well. Yes, we wanted to put a price tag on those 2 thugs heads'. We also wondered where is the world going - to hell in a hand-basket? Sometimes bad things happen to good people. That's the only rational we could come up with. So, are we all doomed? No. Maybe life is just sh!t sometimes. All we can do is control ourselves, and NOT be a part of it. There's nothing more you can do, other than raise your kids right, and conduct yourself accordingly.Let it go, my girl.  IP: Logged |
sue g
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From: former land of the leprechaun
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted November 12, 2005 07:14 AM
Thanks ladies.....for your posts.Dont worry geminstone,,,I am ultra sensitive around the ones I love and at times find it hard to be objective...just ask my hubbie...oh dear I still shock him with my passion..even after 16 yrs. Apologies to you too if I went "off on one"......and maybe I DID misunderstand you girl, so sorry for that... Lioneye So sorry to her about yer dad....no I am not gonna get into that name calling again and I will indeed try to let it go. You guys are a God send at times...did you know... Sending you love and thanks.....  xxx IP: Logged |
geminstone
Knowflake Posts: 1007
From: Golden, CO
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted November 12, 2005 07:40 AM
Ah, Sue... so are You!  ~ geminstone IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted November 12, 2005 10:22 AM
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nove731
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From: Antioch, Tennessee, USA
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted November 12, 2005 10:54 AM
I don't believe in treating anyone differently for any reason. I don't respect people at all who believe that their age or their gender or whatever else is a reason to get special treatment.I hate it when girls expect special treatment just because they were born with different genetalia. And I hate it when people who are younger than me expect to be better than me at something I've been doing for years longer than them, and I hate it when older people expect me to bow down to them and treat them like they're kings and queens just because they're older. I treat everyone I meet the same. I disagree with treating anyone differently for any reason, and I honestly won't do it. IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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From: MOther & Father GOd
Registered: Feb 2008
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posted November 12, 2005 10:55 AM
WOW! there is so much love and light here, pouring out of all of your words, it's beautiful, and it feels good too!Love and Light to ALL IP: Logged |
BlueTopaz124
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From: Portland, OR
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted November 12, 2005 01:19 PM
Another great topic, Sue ... and tend to agree that people these days are more focused on knocking the other person down and making them appear bad, rather than building each other up and seeing (or understanding) the good they might be trying to accomplish...I see this A LOT where I work. Being ego-driven and competitive (fear) rather than letting the heart rule.That kid on the bike (I had a funny visual about the bull whip...have been there myself) a prime example of how abrupt/unkind people can be. I tend to be more harmony-loving and wish for people to get along rather than not, respecting each other more, no matter the age of each. These days I'm all about promoting love Laura I have to work very hard myself to not be judgemental IP: Logged |
SecretGardenAgain
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Registered: Jun 2005
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posted November 12, 2005 02:14 PM
yes nove i agree with you, respect goes to all people except those who by their own words or actions prove themselves not worthy of it (that can be older or younger ppl). and i do believe that as long as someone has the intellectual faculty to stay together mentally they dont deserve any pity for being old. they deserve respect yes like anyone else. in sues example if that kid did that to anyone, even a four year old, or myself , i would have been angry. the age has nothing to do with it. and taking care of elders is very important part of our culture also but its something i dont think of in isolation (older people only). older people are people who have lived longer yes, but that doesnt mean they have the right to use that to make us feel guilty or something. we should respect them out of the goodwill of our heart as we do everyone. and just a point, that mostly elderly have lived in times different than today. for example, i respect my moms advice and opinion a lot, but she just doesnt know how it is to live between two cultures, to compete in the american corporate cutthroat environment, to have divorced parents or to travel half the world by the time ur 20. coz that is my life, not hers. when she was 20, she had not left her village in kashmir except to go to medical college, had never seen devastation, had never been married, and had never been in the working world. Love
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26taurus
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Registered: Jun 2004
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posted November 12, 2005 03:32 PM
Sorry, didnt have time to read all of this. But I was just thinking on it......And if more 'elders' respected the 'youngers', I think the youngers would grow up to do the same. Children can be so much wiser than us 'adults' and deserve alot more respect than they get. We have alot to learn from them. And what is younger or older? Age. A number. It's nothing. In the big picture at least. There are alot of old people in little bodies. *and young people in old bodies. lol ...for better and worse.  Everyone deserves the same amount of respect. If an elder doesnt respect me - just because he/she's older doesnt mean I have to give them respect. Treat me nicely and I'll do the same. We are equal. Just because you are up there in age, doesnt mean I owe you anything. If I dont know you and you dont treat me nicely, oh well. Smile and move along. Try not to let others define your experience, or control your moods. Maybe that person had something horrible happen to them that day. You get what you give. In some form or another, it's all coming back. Whether you realize it or not. IP: Logged |
26taurus
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Registered: Jun 2004
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posted November 12, 2005 03:37 PM
ahhh....that damn strong Uranus in my chart will get me everytime....  IP: Logged | |
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