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Topic: British or American Football
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lalalinda
Moderator Posts: 3291
From: nevada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted January 13, 2007 03:21 AM
 
I have a question.
I've been reading about David Beckham's impending arrival here in the US and I was wondering if you think this will put British Football on the map here in America? 
Do you think it will ever dominate American Football?
I'm also wondering why Soccor never took off here in the US like it did in other countries? And do other Countries play American Football or is it just called Football? I'm totally confused but really curious.
One more Question Please
Why doesn't David Beckham play for England?
Do Countries trade athletes? Sorry I don't know very much about this subject 
but I did like the movie "Bend it Like Beckham" IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna
Knowflake Posts: 4598
From: The Asylum
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted January 13, 2007 03:43 AM
Honestly, what the hell was he thinking? He should've stayed in Madrid. This is like career suicide for himIf Pele couldn't help American Soccer, then neither can he.
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Dulce Luna
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posted January 13, 2007 03:55 AM
Oh and about the teams thingy; there are national teams and Clubs in futbol. The national teams play in the World Cup and against eachother in Friendly Matches. People play in clubs during the regular season...and across countries,continents,etc. Players can traded between clubs but NEVER the national teams. Like for instance, Beckham *used* to play for him National team of England before he was removed from the roster. Now he's basically been forced into retirement from national football. Now as for Club football, Beckham first arrived on the scene in, I think, the mid 90's when he played for the English Premier team called Manchester United. Somewhere in the new millenium, he moved to Real Madrid...a Big (but not always good IMO) Spanish football team. And now, I guess he's moved to the U.S.
So yes, countries can trade althetes but only for club football...not the National team.
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lalalinda
Moderator Posts: 3291
From: nevada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted January 13, 2007 04:09 AM
thanks Dulce  if you're in a football club, you can be traded to another club and different countries have football clubs. is that right? If you're in the National League you can not be traded to another Country. Right? Now can David Beckham ever go back to the National League? And why was he removed? Is it like college football where once you graduate you go to the next level?
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Dulce Luna
Knowflake Posts: 4598
From: The Asylum
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted January 13, 2007 04:22 AM
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if you're in a football club, you can be traded to another club and different countries have football clubs. is that right?
Yup!
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If you're in the National League you can not be traded to another Country. Right?
Basically, but I *think* you can switch if you happen to be a citizen of two different countries, I think. You see, the requirement for you to play on any national team is that you're a citizen of that country. quote:
Now can David Beckham ever go back to the National League? And why was he removed? Is it like college football where once you graduate you go to the next level?
Coaches can remove you from the official roster if they feel like it. (ie. they get tired of you...which was the case with Beckham). They can put you back on if they want too. Sometimes they just feelin' the player's footy-ball work at the moment.
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lalalinda
Moderator Posts: 3291
From: nevada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted January 13, 2007 04:33 AM
I'm trying Dulce Isn't David Beckham like the best? or one of the best? Why wouldn't a coach want a winner? And is it only up to one coach? Thanks Sweetie IP: Logged |
Rob_W
Knowflake Posts: 83
From: Dublin, Ireland
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted January 13, 2007 11:17 AM
Beckham was never a great player to start with. He's a good midfielder, who's great with a free-kick but has a great agent who has done an amazing job of selling the Beckham brand. So much so that LA Galaxy are willing to pay him a reported $600,000 a week. This move isn't about Beckham as a footballer - he's 31, past his best and no longer considered good enough to play for the Englad team - it's about raising the profile of the MSL, something he will definately do.Don't think anywhere else in the world plays American football to any serious level. There's a European American Football league, but no-one really ever pays it any interest and the players are mostly failed NFL and college players - they struggle to get crowds of more than 2000. IP: Logged |
lalalinda
Moderator Posts: 3291
From: nevada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted January 13, 2007 11:30 AM
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Dulce Luna
Knowflake Posts: 4598
From: The Asylum
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted January 13, 2007 11:38 AM
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Isn't David Beckham like the best? or one of the best? Why wouldn't a coach want a winner? And is it only up to one coach?
I will give credit where he's due....he's good, but always been a bit overrated. He's getting old (by football standards...errr sports standards in general), that I believe is a major factor in his departure.
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Swerve
Knowflake Posts: 1249
From: London
Registered: Nov 2002
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posted January 13, 2007 01:47 PM
Victoria wants to schmooze in Hollywood.David just does as he's told. Americans aren't stupid when it comes to merchandising and this guy is the most marketable figure in the sport whether he is still a great player or not. However, the Far East and the US are better bets when getting a bang for your dollar these days as there are other superstars around in football, and that only happens if you are on top of your game. International football is seperate from club footbal lala. Club football is professional and they pay the wages. They compete week in week out and there are competitions across Europe and the like where they compete against each other. The players can be from any country because it's irrelevant and the best players from around the world play together in the biggest teams. International footbal is basically amateur and the same players are invloved but represent their country. The countries compete against each other and this is seen as the highest level of football historically, and this is what happens in the World Cup. International games happen during breaks in the club football and take place no more than 10 times or so a year. The tournaments such as the World Cup take place when the club season is over in the Summer. So Beckham can play in Spain but represent England when they play an international game. Hope this clears things up. Let me know if you have any questions. p.s. Football will never dominate US Football in the States because it just doesn't have the history and emotional resonance with the fans that it does over her or around the world. Football is life to everyone from Brazilian street kids to overweight English middle-aged men and Italian romeos with a passion for a goal as much as a beautiful woman. Sports become great and loved for one thing - history. Swerve IP: Logged |
Rob_W
Knowflake Posts: 83
From: Dublin, Ireland
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted January 13, 2007 07:13 PM
Well put Swerve. Think you're right about the history part, that's why so few people have any respect for Chelsea. IP: Logged |
Everlong
Knowflake Posts: 931
From: Southeast Florida
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted January 14, 2007 08:39 PM
I really don't like Beckham. I'm a pretty big Real Madrid fan, being as it is my city and all, but he's always seemed like a mediocre pretty boy player to me. Real Madrid's had a rough season. Their players are too spoiled. I've started leaning more towards Atletico Madrid. But, I digress.Soccer players have a tendency to play for clubs in different countries. Real Madrid, for instance, has Beckham, van Nistelrooy, Ronaldo, Roberto Carlos, Cannavaro... players from all over the world. Many of the top football clubs have a wide variety of nationalities on their teams. Like Dulce Luna said- if Pele couldn't make American soccer popular, I don't know how in the hell Beckham expects to. Although, he might just do so by being photogenic, not on his athletic merit. Ugh. IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna
Knowflake Posts: 4598
From: The Asylum
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted January 14, 2007 09:25 PM
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Real Madrid's had a rough season. Their players are too spoiled
Of course, they act like a bunch of primadonnas. I think that the owner thought, "I know,lets have a team of all-stars!". Its sounds good on paper, but in real life a bunch of alphas cannot work together as a team. (This is what me and sis think) I'll take Barcelona anyday.
Anyways, Portugal's Premiership kicks a$$ over England's anyday.  I just wish there was a channel devoted to it. The only Portuguese channel we get here only plays games like three times a week. I think on either Benfica or FC Porto some guy from our tribe is there.
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Swerve
Knowflake Posts: 1249
From: London
Registered: Nov 2002
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posted January 15, 2007 04:32 AM
"Portugal's Premiership kicks a$$ over England's anyday."LOL! I had written a big response to this but edited because you must be joking. Cristiano Ronaldo is the best player in Portugal and chooses to play in England. Deco, the other, plays in Spain, and your best coach, Mourinho manages in England after leaving Porto for here. I think that in itself says enough. I'm proud of English football, we've earned our way back to the top after the fall from grace in the 80's. Swerve IP: Logged |
Moon666Child
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Registered: Jul 2004
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posted January 15, 2007 09:31 AM
Spanish la Liga rules, and Beckham is not a great player, just that he is a celebrity in his own terms. He has messed up after coming to Real Madrid, now get out.IP: Logged |
Yang
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From: A temporary home
Registered: May 2004
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posted January 15, 2007 09:38 AM
* Soccer* is the term I was brought up with, and will live with til I die!But honestly, it doesn't matter what people call it, it is the same game at the end of the day! IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna
Knowflake Posts: 4598
From: The Asylum
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted January 15, 2007 01:50 PM
Actually Swerve, that was bit toungue in cheek...mostly because I'm sick of the English complaining about the Portuguese (they're diving w@nkers!!!). But I still think its true and maybe because alot of my countrymen play in Portgual...heehee . The fact that the best player in the English premier league is a Portugue basically proves my point.IP: Logged |
Rob_W
Knowflake Posts: 83
From: Dublin, Ireland
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted January 15, 2007 02:59 PM
Ronaldo's not even one of the best five Premiership players. Henry, Scholes, Gerrard, Lampard and Drogba are all better players. Anyway, you can take your posh Premiership and fancy-dan La Lige, for me nothing touches the passion of the Irish eircom League  . So we only get gates of 3,000 to 7,000, it's an experience you just can't replicate - kinda like English football in the 70s minus all the agro. Can't wait for the new season next month, with Shamrock Rovers back were we belong in the top flight. IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna
Knowflake Posts: 4598
From: The Asylum
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted January 15, 2007 03:22 PM
Ok, maybe Drogba and Henry....but Gerrard and Lampard??? Yeah right.(Oh, and Idk who Scholes is so I won't comment on him) IP: Logged |
Swerve
Knowflake Posts: 1249
From: London
Registered: Nov 2002
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posted January 15, 2007 04:05 PM
I thought you might be Dulce so I had to rein myself in.I am an Arsenal fan so I am biased but how could you leave Fabgregas out of the top 5 , along with the great Henry? "mostly because I'm sick of the English complaining about the Portuguese (they're diving w@nkers!!!). " How is it you know this from the US? And then don't know who Scholes is? I was surprised you were so in the loop on the former, quite impressive, do you have English friends? They are a bit light on their feet though. Swerve IP: Logged |
Xodian
Moderator Posts: 1699
From: Canada
Registered: Dec 2006
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posted January 15, 2007 05:32 PM
Welll... here is the thing. Compared to American Football, Soccer isn't that exciting to watch Lol! (fair analysis people .)Most of time, the strategy in soccer mostly depends upon targeted passing but with American Football, every play the quaterback makes is a controlled risk on its own. Right now, the NFL playoffs have me pumped! (even though my fav. team didn't make it... Maybe next eyar Broncos.) Beckhem by no means will be a tide turner towards anything. He is less about soccer and more about fashion Lol! IP: Logged |
Swerve
Knowflake Posts: 1249
From: London
Registered: Nov 2002
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posted January 15, 2007 05:52 PM
Xodian! I beg to differ, as do the majority of the people around the world!American Football is like human chess, only less intellectual and more pointless! Football is free-flowing and less orchestrated. Much more the creative game or "beautiful game" as it is known. Still, each to their own of course. Swerve IP: Logged |
eatbooks
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Registered: Dec 2006
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posted January 15, 2007 05:57 PM
i am completely clueless about sports but for some reason reading this was interesting...IP: Logged |
Xodian
Moderator Posts: 1699
From: Canada
Registered: Dec 2006
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posted January 15, 2007 05:57 PM
Well again, its each to their own but you have to look at the Quaterback's playbook to get a sense as to how complex and stategic the game really can get .Even deception plays such an important role as was the case with the Last minuite conversion drive by the New England Patriots against the LA Chargers  (BTW: Who else saw that game? Lol!) IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna
Knowflake Posts: 4598
From: The Asylum
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted January 15, 2007 06:12 PM
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How is it you know this from the US? And then don't know who Scholes is? I was surprised you were so in the loop on the former, quite impressive, do you have English friends?
The internet is the greatest thing ever invented. I remember as soon as they lost to Portugal in the World Cup they dedicated a site specifically to Cristiano (IhateRonaldo.com) where a bunch of people just went on to bash him...and the Portguese, and then had the nerve to call the Portuguese racist.  There was even a blog I saw, that bashed the Portuguese. And of course, I cannot forget FoxSoccerChannel which is a channel dedicated to mostly English Soccer...Omg, I couldn't believe what some of the commentators were saying on this one show. I mean of course as A Mozambiquan we have rivalry with the Portuguese but this was just getting ridiculous. Sore losers. quote:
Welll... here is the thing. Compared to American Football, Soccer isn't that exciting to watch Lol!
*Gasp* Xodian, how could you??? quote:
Even deception plays such an important role as was the case with the Last minuite conversion drive by the New England Patriots against the LA Chargers (BTW: Who else saw that game? Lol!)
My aunt probably did (We live in New England). She actually feels the same way you do...she doesn't think Soccer is that exciting.
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