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Topic: Has Anyone Used The "SECRET"?
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Johnny
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From: Colorado, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted March 07, 2007 01:15 AM
 
What's your definition of a master?In my understanding, it is not possible to 'manipulate' Universal laws for 'one's own good.' Everything that happens follows Universal plan. It sounds to me like you're trying to scare others away from this, for whatever reason. I'm sure you believe that you're doing it for their own good, but remember what Lactantius (I think) said: "Where fear is present, wisdom cannot be." Very apt, imo.
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lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 238
From: MOther & Father GOd
Registered: Feb 2008
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posted March 07, 2007 01:21 AM
As you long as you know God..there is no fear..
and there, is where you will find mastership..there is no other truth..
than the one of our creator not what man wishes and makes up. ... IP: Logged |
SunChild
Moderator Posts: 4032
From: Australia
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted March 07, 2007 01:22 AM
Good points Johnny.The Law of Attraction is about taking responsibility of what you have created for yourself, if you are in a negative position, say... overweight, depressed, in debt, family hates you, ect...then for you it's about trying to STOP worrying about what's going on and start LIVING and vision a brighter future for yourself so that things start to change, you begin to take quantum leaps and head into a new direction, instead of spiralling around in the one you already have created. Linda Goodman mentioned 'the secret' thousands of times, like imagining the car space you want, the goals you wish to achieve...EVEN IMMORTALITY! If you believe you will never have any money you wont, if you believe you will, you will. It's not about greed or being selfish it's about using the Law of Attraction to create positive events instead of negative events ALL THE TIME. When you speak you are using the law of attraction. When you think you are using the law of attraction. When you feel you are using the law of attraction. When you imagine you are using the law of attraction. You cannot pretend it's not there. Period. IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 238
From: MOther & Father GOd
Registered: Feb 2008
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posted March 07, 2007 01:28 AM
SunChild, how dare you misquote Linda. ...IP: Logged |
SunChild
Moderator Posts: 4032
From: Australia
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted March 07, 2007 01:31 AM
Have you watched "The Law Of Attraction", Lotus???If your answer is no (which I'm certain it is)...then how do you know I'm mis-quoting Linda? Did she not hold the belief that "all you have to do is believe in a wish for it to come true? IP: Logged |
SunChild
Moderator Posts: 4032
From: Australia
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted March 07, 2007 01:33 AM
Would you like me to write out the paragraph from star signs where Linda gives instructions on how to visualize are car space before you enter a car park? That is using the Law of Attraction. IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 238
From: MOther & Father GOd
Registered: Feb 2008
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posted March 07, 2007 01:33 AM
please just put her written words on the page and prove me wrong...
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SunChild
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From: Australia
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posted March 07, 2007 01:34 AM
Easily done Lotus! Have you read Star Signs, do you recall the Car Park Visualizaton?IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 238
From: MOther & Father GOd
Registered: Feb 2008
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posted March 07, 2007 01:35 AM
the book is copyrighted 1987, 20 years ago...Linda would know now, that for self, is not for all. ... IP: Logged |
Johnny
Knowflake Posts: 2056
From: Colorado, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted March 07, 2007 01:35 AM
quote:
please just put her written words on the page and prove me wrong...
So wait, not only have you not researched the Secret, you've also not read Star Signs? quote:
the book is copyrighted 1987, 20 years ago...Linda would know now, that for self, is not for all. ...
Yes, very contrary to Universal law to get a decent parking spot.  IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 238
From: MOther & Father GOd
Registered: Feb 2008
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posted March 07, 2007 01:35 AM
Don't you think, Linda made a few mistakes?IP: Logged |
Johnny
Knowflake Posts: 2056
From: Colorado, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted March 07, 2007 01:38 AM
quote:
Don't you think, Linda made a few mistakes?
Don't you think you might be? IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 238
From: MOther & Father GOd
Registered: Feb 2008
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posted March 07, 2007 01:39 AM
Johnny, that just shows how you do not realize that every thing we do, has a cause and effect...IP: Logged |
SunChild
Moderator Posts: 4032
From: Australia
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted March 07, 2007 01:40 AM
Lotus, I understand where you are coming from. That for someone to go around and visualizing a car, house, money, and material things will eventually lead them down a path that is not of true happiness and would be spiritually unrewarding.You are right Lotus in that sense. For sure! Karma would definitely bite you in the behind if all you do is think about yourself. I believe in using the Law of Attraction for the greater good of the world.
Most spiritually grounded people are that way inclined. For those who aren't, well they'll learn their lessons, in this life or the next. Don't blame the Law Of Attraction. It's not the "energy" that is "evil", it's the user of the energy that can use it for good or for worse. Do you see my point too? IP: Logged |
Johnny
Knowflake Posts: 2056
From: Colorado, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted March 07, 2007 01:41 AM
Wait, what? I'm arguing that there *is* an effect.Oh nevermind. IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 238
From: MOther & Father GOd
Registered: Feb 2008
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posted March 07, 2007 01:42 AM
Exactly sunchild  and one should be a master,
don't you think? for the good of all? IP: Logged |
SunChild
Moderator Posts: 4032
From: Australia
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted March 07, 2007 01:46 AM
Yes certainly. Well I'm glad I got to understand where you were coming from. I came in to give an example of how I've manifested some things, but will have to wait until next time, I have run out of time. Ciao  IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 238
From: MOther & Father GOd
Registered: Feb 2008
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posted March 07, 2007 01:47 AM
Ggod Night...time to rest...LOve to ALL. ... IP: Logged |
Johnny
Knowflake Posts: 2056
From: Colorado, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted March 07, 2007 01:48 AM
quote:
and one should be a master,
don't you think?
But as Sunchild pointed out, you're using the law of attraction constantly, with every thought. Whether or not you're conscious of it doesn't matter - which is why you should learn to consciously create what you want. IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 238
From: MOther & Father GOd
Registered: Feb 2008
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posted March 07, 2007 01:51 AM
As long as it is, for the good of ALL...that is all... Ggod Night IP: Logged |
MysticMelody
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posted March 07, 2007 02:30 AM
SinderLou, this is not a new idea. The movie is basically a collection of quotes from the Masters and genius' throughout history. Anyone who reads on these matters already knows most of the key points in this work because they have all already been thought and taught. This is just a neatly packaged version of a "Metaphysics For Idiots" that can be marketed. I like that (as Linda mentions about communication in the Aquarian Age) the message is being shared.
While it is true that it does not address the "Monkey's Paw" (a.k.a. "Be careful what you wish, be careful what you say... be careful what you wish, you might regret it, be careful what you wish, you just might get it!") issue, a person's ability to manifest solely in the mind will not work for those who don't believe it, and it takes a lot of spiritual work to maintain the faith required to manifest more than the occassional parking space. That is why those who work with low magic are dependant on material symbols and tools as a crutch to belief, which is dangerous because it makes things easier with less responsibility, less knowledge, and less maturity.
True belief in the good of the Universe and determination to follow your heart and dreams, combined with the reminder that The Secret gives... that, yes, all dreams CAN come true and WILL come true, if you BELIEVE... is just the kind of magic that the people living in Cabrini Green need. And those beautiful girls in Africa, most of whom don't HAVE mothers because their mothers have been brutally raped or killed can use a dose of Faith even if it comes in good ol' U.S.A. capitolistic packaging. Oprah is making a difference for them by following her dream and following an urge deep in her heart and soul. The person who wrote that article is very negative and lacking in faith, and probably is speaking from their own personal point of view which for instance is probably hoping to please his boss and make himself money from his inflamatory piece.
The article claims that they are packaging cliche's, so what is the harm in reading or hearing again that you should "Follow Your Dreams" and "Believe In Yourself"?
Those with religious agendas will not like it because it is basically teaching people to pray without a building or finances.
It is NOT crap. I actually WATCHED the movie. And I made a couple dreams come true immediately after. I need to watch it again and get back on track. I would recommend it to anyone. Some serious positive thinking (((without being too attached to results))) never hurt anyone. Here's the link to The Monkey's Paw short story:
http://gaslight.mtroyal.ca/mnkyspaw.htm And the above quote is from the Masters of Metal  Metallica. IP: Logged |
thirteen
Knowflake Posts: 1107
From: Rochester Hills, MI USA
Registered: May 2004
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posted March 07, 2007 08:57 AM
My comment is: why are some to be so afraid of material wealth. I thought if it is a part of the universe than it is meant to be. I use this attraction stuff all the time and have been for years. Probably since reading Linda Goodman. I have asked the universe for more prosperity and it has come. I also give to charity now since i have prosperity so i guess you could say that to ask for my own( selfish) prosperity has helped others. I don't see why people cannot affirm(ordain) for that stuff for themselves. Having prosperity doesn't define your character.Money is simply paper that we use for exchange, nothing more. I think the ones that are afraid think money is somehow more than just exchange. sinderlou, you have to test the theory for yourself. start small. find something you can totally beleive for yourself. somtimes i think people don't really beleive what they are trying to affirm and the universe knows this so it doesn't manifest. in other words sometimes you need strife and struggles in your lifetime to grow on a soul level and your higher self knows this.
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lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 238
From: MOther & Father GOd
Registered: Feb 2008
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posted March 07, 2007 09:00 AM
What about Karma...look how things ended for Linda... we all make mistakes, we are human, AfterALL... not Masters, yet! IP: Logged |
Eleanore
Moderator Posts: 2512
From: Japan
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted March 07, 2007 09:16 AM
I agree with you've said, SunChild. Also, though, I don't think people taking their personal needs into consideration is wrong. If you're unhappy, in poverty, very ill, and feel like you have no purpose in life, odds are that you're not going to give your full attention to making the world a better place for everyone else on this planet. Nor do I think you'd have the resources to help as much as you might like.
Again, that's not for absolutely everyone on Earth but for a lot of people, imo. This world is a physical, material world. One foot on Earth and one in Heaven, right? Your body is your vehicle for operation here. Other people have bodies, too. I don't believe it's a sin to take care of those bodies and to enjoy the pleasures your life here provides you. In fact, I think that's part of our purpose here, to enjoy life and feel the Love in everything. I don't believe in getting lost in your senses but neither do I believe in denying yourself things that make you happy, even if they are materialistic to an extent. If wealth in its many forms hadn't been aspired to in so many cultures worldwide, how would the greatest works of art that inspire us to reach higher have ever come into being? I don't think you (most people and in general) would have the time or the ability to write books, compose music, create art if you spent your life struggling for survival from sun up to sun down without any of the conveniences our modern times allow. And modern times require different homes, modes of transportation, methods of communications, etc. than before. Innovation can also lead to better things for the world ... making new appliances or machines that require less energy, for example. Is it bad to manifest those, too, just because they are things? With quite a bit due to this modernization/materialism is the fact that so many people now have the time and energy to devote to pursuits outside of basic human survival, including spiritual interests above and beyond the "tribal conciousness" of our past. It'd be nice if we required less to live, but sometimes having more is what gives us the choice to help more people in the long run. Really, it's not money or things that are the problem, I think. Rather, it's the value people place on them, how they acquire what they have and what they do with them. A poor person can be just as selfish as a rich person. Wealth and things don't define us for good or bad. Just my thoughts anyway.
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lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 238
From: MOther & Father GOd
Registered: Feb 2008
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posted March 07, 2007 09:21 AM
when is enough...it's always, more more more... how much more can we rape this Earth...
claw, tear, rip, poison, when is it enough... material things are nothing...
they are an illusion, delusion
of what you think makes you happy... a simple life, in harmony with
our world is required... Eleanore, that is very masculine thinking!
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