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I really like the book The Fountainhead. Even more than Atlas Shrugged.

Haven't seen the movie.

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posted May 16, 2007 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Do you want to know right now, or wait until you start reading her?

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Well Ayn Rand is a brilliant woman, and she really nailed the creation of her own philosophy. I think she did a wise thing by articulating it through a couple novels.

The Fountainhead was her first (I think) good attempt at putting her philosophy out there in an engaging book. I preferred it, in the end, to Atlas Shrugged, because it stayed simple, whereas Atlas Shrugged has quite a lot of characters to manage and a more in-depth storyline, which caused it to be a more laborious read. Both books share the message of her philosophy, but Atlas Shrugged allowed her to expand upon her views a bit more.

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Gregory, the beloved webmaster of Conscious Evolution, loved Ayn Rand also. in fact he was friend of hers and would spend time with her circle of friends in New York discussing philosophy and life.

he was a big advocate of obejectivism....i think it was a result of her influence.

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i spent a considerable amount of time pondering the idea of objecitvism when Gregory discussed it. it was quite mind-expanding. i'll try to find some of his discussions at CU. i think it means that we as humans, all our actions, our motivations, stem from the desire to be happy. but that's way simplified.

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posted May 16, 2007 01:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
I saw the movie. The performances were wonderful, but I wasn't very impressed with the story line.

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Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year....
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost

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I was introduced to Ayn Rand and Objectivism when I was 14 and I still have most of her books. She was such a dramatic and romantic person that it's no wonder my teenage angsty self adored her. I like Atlas Shrugged slightly more than The Fountainhead. The last I read, Angelina Jolie was going to play Dagny in a movie version with Brad Pitt as John Galt. They are both Rand fans.

Objectivism can be summed up as: Reason, Self-Interest (Rationalism), Objective Reality (things exist outside of our consciousness, A = A), and Capitalism.

My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute.
~ Ayn Rand

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Her philosophy doesn't work for me personally on a practical level, but I loved reading it, and I related to much of it.

The movie The Fountainhead was a bit clunky. It wasn't as fluid as we're used to seeing on screen these days.

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My first thoughts were about how my dog lives to please everyone, that seems to be his number one desire.

i suppose that i am not far different from your dog then, in that respect.

sounds unflattering, maybe, but it's true....it is my dearest desire that each and every person on this planet be happy, according to our most innocent drives for happiness. that would mean no more dead children in the pursuit of war...no more hunger....or starvation....no more hatred.

of course i know that sounds naive...some will say that it is power, control, vice, et al that renders happiness upon some. but those do not derive from our sense of innocence, but from hurt, pain and fear.

haha...my puppy's happiness arises from the chance to run free, unfettered by boundaries or restraint.

funny how we so identify with our pets.

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I absolutely loved this movie. My Mars/Neptune conjunction felt like I could live in it lol.. I checked Darren Aronofsky's chart and he has the Mars/Nept conjunction as well.. waddaya know? lol

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Funny, I just finished watching this movie a few minutes ago, and hadn't heard a thing of it before.. I saw it at the video store, and went; "Cool, that looks good."
I didn't know people were discussing it or that it was a bigger movie than I realized in the spiritual circles.
I quite enjoyed it. I don't know that I can discuss with intelligence the deeper ideas of it. But I do think it deserves another watch. I'm still watching the extras on DVD, but my baby fell asleep so it's a rare opportunity to go online to catch up.

(naiad, I like your idea of you as puppy, I feel similarily.... I mean, sometimes I'm pit bull like, but I find less and less of that as the years go by and my jaws are less likely to yap or bite and more likely to cradle and nurture and keep others safe.)

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