posted June 29, 2007 03:08 AM         

Been thinking about this and I just want to say that regarding the personal things mentioned on that thread about you and this woman from the past I think most people here at LL would see it as I do. The way I see it is that it is one of those "he said/ she said" type of things that happens when a relationship ends. I don't take any of it to heart or seriously enough for it to reflect on your character. Mainly because it it is hearsay.

Pidaua was relating what the woman told her. It wasn't that Pid was lying. She only knows what she was told by the woman. The "she said" half of the story. When couples break it off each one has their version or perception of why it ended and sometimes in the hurt there is blaming the other person. If the woman was crying on Pid's shoulder out of her hurt of course Pid would believe her and why not. The woman was relating to Pid the way she actually saw it to be so she wasn't lying to Pid. It was the way it was to her.

I don't judge your character at all on that, HSC and I seriously doubt that anyone else on that thread or anyone else who may read it in the future would judge you on that. We all know how it is when relationships end. Maybe that doesn't happen in all relationships, but an awful lot of it does. I wouldn't judge the woman on your version of what happened either. Because I know it how you truthfully saw it.

So don't take it so hard. Don't feel that people are judging you on this. I can honestly tell you that I don't. To me it is just a "she said/he said" type of thing. But I don't think that Pidaua was lying about it. I don't think that anyone was lying about it. It is why personal things or things said in private in trust should be kept off of public forums though.

I do want you to think about all of this and consider that Fayte spoke to you as she did because she is feeling the very same things that you are feeling now. I also want you to consider that Lisa was also very, very hurt by what you did and in fact was feeling suicidal over it just like you. Mainly because she felt it caused her to lose Fayte's friendship and most importantly, Fayte's trust. I want you to think about that, HSC. You hurt people too and they feel just as you are feeling right now.

I am not made of stone either and Mystic Melody's words hurt me very much too. Yet you made excuses for her vicious attack on me and justified it. You did not consider how I felt reading those words did you, HSC? So I am telling you now. They hurt very much. I have only had one altercation with MM and I did not start that. Beyond that what MM did not mention is that I apologized to her on the threads here at LL for my part in that. Even though I did not start it. Since that one time I have only tried to be nice to MM. I hardly make her life or anyone else's life here at LL a "living hell." So not only was it all untrue about me what she said, it was vicious beyond belief and it hurt me very badly. Yet you did not care at all how I felt. You never even considered that I too have feelings. I want you to think about these things and learn from this experience. It happened because God is trying to tell you something. He wants you to stop denying and start admitting your faults ( we all have them ) so you can grow spiritually and change and have a much happier life. Sometimes, HSC, people have to hit rock bottom before they can see things as they really are and admit I need God's help to have a happier life and I will only have that if stop blaming others and everything else but myself. Only if I realize that the problem is not in others, the problem is not out there in the world , the problem is me.

God does not make these things in life happen to us. He allows us the freedom to mess up our own lives. But he is there waiting for you to ask him to help you fix it and be a happier person and have a happier life. It is what he wants for all of us you know. He wants us to be happy. Trust me. It will happen if you allow it to happen.

I will make judgments about your character based only on your words and your actions, HSC. Not on hearsay on some thread. I think most people here at LL feel the same way about that.

So don't take it so hard. Don't let it get you down or make you do something really stupid. And yes, I agree, you should breathe, and take a break from the internet for awhile. Go out and enjoy the summer while it lasts before the snows come again.

posted June 29, 2007 03:23 AM         

It certainly was not I if that is your unfounded accusation.

No one has touched that thread since it was closed and no one is going to touch it.

posted June 29, 2007 03:24 AM         

However, i agree with Petron.

HSC's personal life is personal and intimate. How dare anyOne use something personal and intimate as ammunition

Please have some compassion!

I have NO ill feeling towards Pidaua. I feel she is a very warm-hearted and passionate, loving woman. I hope I never have to argue like this again with her or anyOne else. I am just speaking out rather than keeping SILENT and doing NOTHING, ignoring my HEART......to say that I strongly disagree with Pidaua on this issue...the ISSUE of using HSC's personal life, a past relationship which STILL HURTS HIM.....in an attempt to drag his name through the mud on a thread which isn't about dragging people through the mud (by picking on them where they are most vulnerable- a matter of the HEART)....it was about freakin' political pictures for goodness sake.

I am not going to stand by and watch anyOne being bullied like this. Criticize, by all means but not like this, not in this WAY. Don't bring up things in the past, someOne's own personal love life, this hurts. It is distasteful. We should all realize this. I mean,, look at how many people do commit suicide simply over matters of love, and purely love? The Golden Gate Bridge.

I would write more about why this is so wrong if I had Time. I am rushing because I have 2 kids. I want to find the right words to express why we should be sensitive to others when it comes to matters of a BROKEN HEART. WhatEVER went on, by the way is between HSC and 'this woman'.. Meanwhile, at least give the poor guy the benefit of doubt.

Whatever HSC decides to do with his own life is a matter of his own Free Will. No-one can have responsibility for this. I have read exactly what was written and I feel that all he was saying was 'I am vulnerable, this is how vulnerable...please just show a little compassion'. I think you guys misinterpreted this as simply a threat. This is NOT how I interpreted this.

Please, Mirandee, just edit that ONE particular post where matters of the HEART, broken hearts, have been sickeningly used as ammunition. That is ALL. This ONE post. Last night, I felt peaceful because I thought you had already moved it, I must have overlooked it. I thought this whole episode was going to finish with Petron's absolutely wonderful humor (the last pictures on that thread). I would NOT want the entire thread to be taken off.

But I empathize with matters of the heart, the broken hearts of others. Am I the ONLY one who does here? It makes me want to shout, to cry out.

I AM JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE ISSUE. NEVER MIND THE OTHER ISSUES. It is a matter of principle.

Am I the only one who cares, who can see that THIS issue is wrong?

posted June 29, 2007 03:26 AM         

and lotusheartone there was no need to bump up those past posts of HSC(relating his personal issues) at this time, how insensitive of you to do tht!

also can anyOne EVER discuss something in a rational way without bringing up personal matters, and trying to make a demon of the other person..!!???

posted June 29, 2007 03:33 AM         

who knows what all was removed....i dont.....

so im a liar eh?

i can give my opinion of your shoddy moderatorship right here if i feel like it.....why do i have to go to randall???

in fact i think i'll start a whole new thread on the subject.......

posted June 29, 2007 03:34 AM         

Facts are Facts, and what you post here on a public forum, is for the public.

Be careful what you post, stand behind your words, and don't twist and manipulate things
and everything will be fine.

Play Head Games, expect Head Games

you get what you give. ...

I'm sorry, if I hurt you HSC, and anyOne else that was offended, or hurt!

Learning and Growing... .

Everything happens for a reason. . .

There's two sides to everything. . .

and, honestly, if you don't read all the topics in all the forums, and don't know
what is really going on, it's best to keep
your opinions to yourSelf, for these things
carry into many forums. . .

posted June 29, 2007 03:39 AM         

Mirandee did NOTHING to encourage anything in fact she discouraged us. From the first time she asked us to edit the name, I went back and pulled out the name and links.

HSC brought up the name several times, until Mirandee had to change it to "that woman".

I don't think many read the exact exchange between HSC and I along with his long diatribe about how he did not forgive me and on and on even bringing Bear's name into the thread and stating that he "HSC" was just as noble as Bear and it was his intention for Bear to come home and NOT make me a widow.

He then stated I made him uncomfortable and he had no idea why.

I reminded him why.

It spiraled downhill from there.

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posted June 29, 2007 03:39 AM         

Beyond that everyone who posted there knows what they wrote. They would know what was edited in their posts.

posted June 29, 2007 03:40 AM         

Mirandee and Azalaksh are the moderators of this forum, and there is a reason why they are moderators. As a moderator they have EVERY right to do whatever within their power, so long it falls under the board guidelines and forum rules.

I am sorry I am going to **** of some of my friends in here, but if anyone have any issues you need to take it with the board admin - Randall - and stop whining once and for all.

Moreoever, there are reasons why they are chosen the moderators and learn to respect that.

posted June 29, 2007 03:46 AM         

The EXACT and INTIMATE, personal details of what went on between HSC and 'this woman' are NOT public knowledge. It is only public knowledge that things went on. Not the EXACT details. Not ONE person here has the right to judge on these matters. They are personal and private to HSC and 'this woman'.

Enough chess. Live and let live, avoid those we don't see eye to eye with, let us just stay in a zone where we DO feel comfortable. Whatever wavelength we may be on, I would like to think if we ever experienced the need for food, water or shelter we would be there for each other, that we would also come together in a crisis. Let us get by with our differences. Let us avoid theses confrontations.

posted June 29, 2007 03:47 AM         

I will not delete. I will not censor anyone. It is against Randall's policy to censor. Rarely does Randall delete a whole thread. He simply closes it. That is what I did.

I have contacted Randall. He is "the decider." Not me. If anything is deleted it will be his choice to make.

posted June 29, 2007 03:55 AM         

Everything I posted was also said by her on this site. That is why I posted the links.

I am sorry you can't understand that there was a very public display here at LL. As far as my description of what he "would" be like, his voice etc.. that was in "my opinion" and was in response to his assumption of how I saw him.

I won't explain it again, people can read and decide on their own. Everyone will use their own filter. Those that don't like me will see my words as inflammatory, those that don't like HSC will see his words as inflammatory. We all see truth based on our own bias, it's life, it's human.

I could have told him to go pound sand and one of my usual "hate club" members will state that I am evil and beating up on some poor guy that was just innocently voicing his views about murderous Soldiers.

It all boils down to how we see and feel things doesn't it?

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posted June 29, 2007 03:58 AM         

Petron if you can do a much better job than me then why are you not a moderator?

Thank you, Sattvic and Pidaua. I am in tears because it makes me makes feel good to have at least someone here being nice to me. Love you both. Goodnight.

posted June 29, 2007 04:00 AM         

It is not that things don't affect all of us, they do, but on different levels and some show things differently.

I don't know that I will attribute it all to Astrology or the fact that I am more prone to showing one feeling or another because I have moon in Aries in the 7th or Pluto Conjunct Asc... I think it is basic human nature.

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posted June 29, 2007 04:04 AM         

This is the last I will speak on this matter.

Mirandee,

You did everything you could to prevent what has happened. You asked several times for us (specifically 3 of us) to comply. We seriously put you and Zala in a bad position.

Personally, I think the political thread probably should have gone in GU. That is why it was created to keep political topics, that can turn ugly, in another forum.

Personally, I think there was a reason it was put in FFA.

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posted June 29, 2007 04:09 AM         

well i guess i'll just shut up then......

posted June 29, 2007 04:10 AM         

......and there is surely a reason why some people ARE moderators and most aren't......