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jwhop
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posted August 02, 2007 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Why we must close the net
Web rant ... Sir Elton says the internet is destroying music

By SIR ELTON JOHN
August 01, 2007
POP legend Sir Elton John wants the internet CLOSED DOWN.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007350453,00.html

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Isis
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posted August 02, 2007 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message
God forbid the "little people" would be using all that nasty "technology" to make their own damn music without having to rely on the overbloated, cookie cutter recording industry to do so.

This guy obviously hardly ever uses his computer.

I'm in several bands...we use the internet to collaborate, our computers to record and mix down music...there's all sorts of musical creativity and collaboration that can be done using a PC and the web.

I admit the overall quality of music seems to be going down...but I'd attribute that to the decline of music programs in school, not the internet.

for Elton John

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jwhop
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posted August 02, 2007 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Well, Sir Elton is sure to make Algore mad as hell. After all, Algore invented the Internet.

I agree with you about the decline in quality of music..and also the reason.

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pidaua
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posted August 02, 2007 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
LOL.... loved the comment about Al Gore being upset about his invention being brought down. LOL...

I agree that the quality of music has declined at an incredible rate. I can't believe some of the crap that is called music nowadays.

Sir Elton needs to get a grip.

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angel_of_hope
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posted August 02, 2007 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel_of_hope     Edit/Delete Message
He's already stated he's not the technological guru ... so then how can he understand the capabilities/opportunities of the net.

If people sit at home all day and write blogs of poetry/music - let em. Just because he uses the old fashioned way, sitting at his piano writting with a pen a paper, doesnt mean everyone else has too. And surely by doing it "his" way, it will not improve the quality of music.

I'm sure when some of the people from the 30/40's heard his music they also thought "They call this music?" ... time's are a changing Mr. John.

If only he knew what the net does for his sales ... people in other countries who had no access to his stuff previously, can log on and purchase a CD, of his, online. Or read his lyrics for that matter.

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jwhop
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posted August 02, 2007 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
To everyones comments, yep, yep and yep.

While I agree some of todays music is like fingernails on the blackboard...to me , I wouldn't make a move to limit artists free expression. Whatever moves you baby.

There are those who want to tax the Internet, want to limit access to the Internet, want to limit what can be said or what sites can be visited on the Internet or, like Sir Elton, want to shut the Internet down totally.

To those

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maklhouf
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posted August 03, 2007 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
no

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The stone which the builders rejected, The same was made the head of the corner;
Matthew 21:42

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Dulce Luna
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posted August 03, 2007 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
I don't think the internet is responsible for the crappy music out today. That's like saying the printing press is responsible for when people write horrible books, or the television set is responsible for crappy shows. Seriously.....

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cat71
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posted August 03, 2007 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cat71     Edit/Delete Message
*Screams hideously* - shut it down????!!!!
*runs about the room, arms flailing madly*
He is serious?

Sometimes having too much money serously deteriorates brain cells!

Isis - well said

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Xena
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posted August 03, 2007 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xena     Edit/Delete Message
*cough cough*

It's all about a little bit of everything...
A bit of live music here, a bit of Internet listening there. What you hear on the radio is generally the BAD, SIGNED artists - signed by idiots who think their opinion is the last word in *cool*. There are a LOT of GOOD, UNSIGNED artists about. Not blowing my own trumpet here BTW, but if you wanna have a listen to some of my songclips...then email me on martianmaiden2000@yahoo.co.uk and I'll send you my myspace address.

I complain about domination of computers/Internet as much as anyone, but in the end I still need to use them. Anyway... don't see why Elton John's complaining, he's had enough success in his time, hasn't he?

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Mirandee
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posted August 04, 2007 02:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
I want to burn those past albums of his that he is offering on the internet.

Most of Elton John's best songs were written by Bernie Taupin. Not him. But he did okay on his own too. Even if he is an old fogey I still love his music.

I agree with what he says about the bad music today but I don't agree that the internet had anything to do with it. You can't fault the internet for a lack of talent. Also he has to remember that tastes change in music through time and generations and that all younger people reject anything their parents liked.

What is the internet if not communication? That's all that people do on the internet and you can reach people all over the world on the net. We aren't all multi-millionaire jet setters like him with nothing to do but fly around the world all the time.

Give us a break, Johnny boy.

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AcousticGod
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posted August 04, 2007 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
There are lots of great bands out there, and I would absolutely say I've experienced worse times in music than today. There was a time in the late 80's early 90's before the Seattle sound hit that was just atrocious. It seemed to me, at the time, that record labels were just signing everyone to see if anything would stick. It was mostly crap.

Of course, I'm referring to the genre of music I listen to, though, so maybe someone out there thought C&C Music Factory was great.

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naiad
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posted August 05, 2007 03:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
Bloggers Who Criticize Government May Face Prison

You'd be forgiven for thinking that it was some new restriction on free speech in Communist China. But it isn't. The U.S. Government wants to force bloggers and online grassroots activists to register and regularly report their activities to Congress in the latest astounding attack on the internet and the First Amendment.

Richard A. Viguerie, Chairman of GrassrootsFreedom.com, a website dedicated to fighting efforts to silence grassroots movements, states:

"Section 220 of S. 1, the lobbying reform bill currently before the Senate, would require grassroots causes, even bloggers, who communicate to 500 or more members of the public on policy matters, to register and report quarterly to Congress the same as the big K Street lobbyists. Section 220 would amend existing lobbying reporting law by creating the most expansive intrusion on First Amendment rights ever. For the first time in history, critics of Congress will need to register and report with Congress itself."

In other words Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats may redefine the meaning of lobbying in order that political communications to and even between citizens falls under the same legislation.

Under current law any 'lobbyist" who 'knowingly and willingly fails to file or report." quarterly to the government faces criminal charges including a possible jail term of up to one year.

The amendment is currently on hold.

This latest attack on bloggers comes hot on the heels of Republican Senator John McCain's proposal to introduce legislation that would fine blogs up to $300,000 for offensive statements, photos and videos posted by visitors on comment boards.

McCain's proposal is presented under the banner of saving children from sexual predators and encourages informants to shop website owners to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, who then pass the information on to the relevant police authorities.

Despite a total lack of any evidence that children are being victimized en mass by bloggers or people who leave comments on blog sites, it seems likely that the proposal will become legislation in some form. It is well known that McCain has a distaste for his blogosphere critics, causing a definite conflict of interest where any proposal to restrict blogs on his part is concerned.

In recent months, a chorus of propaganda intended to demonize the Internet and further lead it down a path of strict control has spewed forth from numerous establishment organs:

During an appearance with his wife Barbara on Fox News last November, George Bush senior slammed Internet bloggers for creating an "adversarial and ugly climate."

- The White House's own recently de-classified strategy for "winning the war on terror" targets Internet conspiracy theories as a recruiting ground for terrorists and threatens to "diminish" their influence.

- The Pentagon recently announced its effort to infiltrate the Internet and propagandize for the war on terror.

- In a speech last month, Homeland Security director Michael Chertoff identified the web as a "terror training camp," through which "disaffected people living in the United States" are developing "radical ideologies and potentially violent skills." Chertoff pledged to dispatch Homeland Security agents to local police departments in order to aid in the apprehension of domestic terrorists who use the Internet as a political tool.

- A landmark legal case on behalf of the Recording Industry Association of America and other global trade organizations seeks to criminalize all Internet file sharing of any kind as copyright infringement, effectively shutting down the world wide web - and their argument is supported by the U.S. government.

- A landmark legal ruling in Sydney goes further than ever before in setting the trap door for the destruction of the Internet as we know it and the end of alternative news websites and blogs by creating the precedent that simply linking to other websites is breach of copyright and piracy.

- The European Union, led by former Stalinist and potential future British Prime Minister John Reid, has also vowed to shut down "terrorists" who use the Internet to spread propaganda.

- The EU also recently proposed legislation that would prevent users from uploading any form of video without a license.

- We have also previously exposed how moves are afoot to clamp down on internet neutrality and even to designate a highly restricted new form of the internet known as Internet 2.

Make no mistake, the internet, one of the greatest outposts of free speech ever created is under constant attack by powerful people who cannot operate within a society where information flows freely and unhindered. All these moves mimic stories we hear every week out of State Controlled Communist China, where the internet is strictly regulated and virtually exists as its own entity away from the rest of the web.

The phrases "Chinese government" and "Mao Zedong" have even been censored on China's official Web sites because they are "Sensitive phrases". Are we to allow our supposedly Democratic governments to implement the same type of restrictive policies here?

Under section 220 of the lobbying reform bill, Infowars.net could be required to seek a license in order to bring this information to you. IF we were granted a license we would then have to report our activities to the government four times per year in order to bring you this information. Does that sound more like free speech or more like totalitarianism?

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Take action:

As well as calling the Senate you should go to GrassrootsFreedom.com which has a petition that you can sign against Section 220 of S. 1, the lobbying reform bill.

http://www.infowars.net/articles/january2007/180107Bloggers_Prison.htm

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