posted September 15, 2007 06:50 PM         

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If racial equality and world peace could happen by everyone becoming all the same color...
What color would you choose?

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Picking pathological liars is exactly the same as picking brutal honesty. Either way you can detect the truth.

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posted September 15, 2007 08:05 PM           

Would human nature be any different should we have the ability to know all the private thoughts of others? If not then knowing all the thoughts of others might be used as a weapon against them by some people.

We all have thoughts, sometimes sexual fantasies or fleeting silly thoughts, or in moments of anger bad thoughts about others. Unless someone here is a perfect human being we all have those. How many of us would like others knowing those thoughts?

How many of us would like others reading our thoughts while we are making love in our relationships? Well, I guess that would at least make porno movies obsolete.

No thanks. My thoughts are mine and they are private. It's not a matter of any of us having something to hide. It's a matter of privacy and it is our choice to share those thoughts with others or keep them private.

Do any of us like nosey people prying into our privacy? Do we like the government doing it? Just imagine what the government would do if we all had telepathy. It certainly would make their job of keeping track of us and our private lives much easier. Do any of us want total strangers knowing all our private matters and our every thought?

posted September 15, 2007 09:30 PM         

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Unless someone here is a perfect human being we all have those. How many of us would like others knowing those thoughts?

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posted September 15, 2007 10:08 PM         

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I like hypothetical questions because they cause us to think.

When I took moral theology classes we were given a lot of hypothetical questions and scenarios. It IS fun to ponder them and discuss them.

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posted September 16, 2007 12:08 AM           

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I would pick number 3 to the first question, although I don't know how some people would feel is their significant other is thinking "the girl walking by has a nice bleep...bleep"

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LOL NAM!!!! Good point.

posted September 16, 2007 01:14 AM         

Well i dont know where you come up with this questions fayte.m.but they r all the same. in which way Let me see Brutally honest will hurt poeple feeling and Pathological liars will hurt poeple feelings too and so will wide world Telepathy. Just knowing that they are thinking badly will hurt them. So i will not not chose any

posted September 16, 2007 08:59 PM         

Anyway....

So, back to telepathy, I am not sure if I would feel comfortable with the fact that my kids could read my mind, what if there are some things I don't want them to know for their own good until they are older?
What if I am thinking about "doing" my partner and they happen to be around?
There has to be more to this to be able to totally understand this concept.
I can see maybe the other person knowing when one is lying, but if something is not to be reveil then just politelly explain is not time for them to know....???? maybe???
like a telepathy that only works with lies but not everything else.

posted September 16, 2007 11:23 PM         

Many liars get to the point where they actually believe the lie they've told themselves...and therefore being able to read their mind wouldn't really tell you that they're lying.

Plus, I would question the motives of someone who wishes to read other people's minds. Why? To what end? Is reading my mind going to make you "get" me anymore? Not necessarily.

As for brutal honesty..."honesty" is often subjective. For example..."do I look fat in this?"...to a man who likes a few extra pounds on a lady, he will honestly say, "no"...and to a guy who only likes hard bodies...he would say "yes". Which one is the "truth"?

How about "do you love me?". What if to that person, loving you means controlling you or putting you down. They would honestly answer, "yes", then continue doing things that to the vast majority, are clearly not indicative of love. They're not lying or being dishonest.

I guess I just think that whether it's brutal honesty or reading people's minds, the ultimate goal of knowing the "truth" isn't going to be accomplished IMO...

If I had to choose, I'd go w/ brutal honesty, but I don't think any of the choices would accomplish us living in a happier world unfortunately.

posted September 16, 2007 11:24 PM         

Most ET races communicate through thought transference, also known as telepathy. Contrary to long standing myths, telepathy has nothing to do with trying to penetrate someone else's brain in order to extract what they are thinking. Trying to intrude inside another persons head will reap little in terms of information and will probably give them a headache as well (from you pushing your energy into their space). This is poor psychic etiquette and ineffective.

Telepathy follows the same guidelines as meditation. It requires a person to quiet their minds and internal chatter and once inner silence is achieved, then the 'real' communications are heard. In meditation this is the access point to the voice of the higher self. When communicating telepathically, this same silent vastness is the gateway to all the frequencies imaginable and thus the internal transfer station for sending and receiving, for exchanging ideas and information with other beings.

As stated earlier the information of what another is thinking is not found by entering them, it is found by entering yourself. It is found through the achievement of mastering your own internal clutter, by refining that which is coarse in perception within you, by creating a pathway that knowingly connects you to the all that is, that great 'oneness' that all consciousness shares.

Telepathic communications do not take only one form either. They can and do sometimes come as words, internal verbal sentences, but they also come as images, pictures that travels to your mind¹s eye as well as gestalts of pure knowing. Sometimes it is as if someone has just downloaded you with a whole block of information that you recognize as a complete structure without having to pull apart the pieces. Thus telepathy can put to work a whole array of spiritual senses in order to convey the ideas and information fully and in an accessible form.

Yet one must keep in mind that the information, even telepathically conveyed, is still subject to an individual¹s perceptions and filters of reality. If a topic is weighty or emotional for someone, it will be especially influenced by one¹s own subjective views and biases. Just as four people can witness the same event and relate very different versions of what happened, so too can a telepathic message be slanted in the same way by personal perspectives. The more internal spiritual work you have done in facing and mastering your own issues, the more universal your perceptions and truth becomes.
http://www.galacticdiplomacy.com/GD-Vis-Comm-Initiating-Cont-1.htm

posted September 17, 2007 12:25 AM           

Star I liked that article. I think that when two people connect on a soul level they do share a certain telepathic ability between them. I know my husband and I do this many times.

Sometimes I will be thinking something and my kids, my husband and even my grand kids will answer me as if I said it out loud. Also many times my husband will go to the store and I will think I should have told him to get this or that and he will come home with it. Once I was just thinking that I needed a new lamp and he came home with one. I asked him why he bought the lamp and he said "I thought that you wanted one." Odd he would say it that way because it was just a thought.

We have telepathic abilities to a degree. But knowing all the thoughts of others I would feel as the article Star posted here said, it would be an invasion of the private space of others.

Besides, isn't that what trust is all about? With trust of others you don't need to know for certain if they are being honest all the time. You just trust that they are.

And yes, as Isis said in so many words, what some of us think of as dishonesty is just our perception. Because what may appear as dishonesty may not be that at all depending on the intention of the other person. We are all a bit dishonest in ways that we are not even aware of and that are harmless to others.

For instance. A man who does not like that his hair is thinning wears a toupee. Is that honest? Or is it dishonest? Is his intention to fool others or is his intention just to make himself feel better and have more confidence in his appearance? If his intention is to deliberately fool others than it would be dishonest. But only if he told people it was his real hair. If his intention is just to feel better about himself than it is not dishonest and it harms no one.

Is it being dishonest if a woman changes the color of her hair? No. It would only be dishonest if she told others that it was her natural color of hair. That would be deliberately deceptive.

NAM you made a real good point about not wanting your kids to know all your thoughts. Same would apply to your kids when it comes to you. LOL That would be a teenagers nightmare!

posted September 17, 2007 12:39 AM           

With birds when they fly in formation and the lead bird gets tired it falls back in the formation and another bird takes the lead until it grows tired. I think it is instinct for them to do that. They are instinctively following the pattern of flight, not reading the mind of the lead bird.

posted September 17, 2007 01:26 AM         

Okay, let me see...

Telepathy (3) would lead to Brutal Honesty (1).
Telepathy (3) would eliminate Pathological Liars (2).

(2) is the only one that can not harmonise with the other options; and (3)is the only one that can harmonise with the other options.

Because:

If I am telepathic and someone lies to me, their lies becomes futile, powerless, useless because they might as well have not said anything; because I don't need their words to know their thoughts and motives. Also, if I am telepathic, someone's true words mean nothing either because I can read their minds too.

But, if I am liar, an honest person would make my game less fun, because honesty is having no fear, and lying is all fear.. and the two can not live in one space harmoniously (but I will work on this bit of my point because it is flimsy). And... if I am a liar, a telepathic person is no fun too, for obvious reasons.

So, the liar is the loser with both the others, and the telepathic person is the "victor" with both the other choices.

You see, as a telepathic person, I automatically deem everyone brutally honest, and if you were already brutaly honest, you remain who you were, there is no discomfort for the honest one.

Does that make sense?

So, telepathy is most superior, most effective, swiftest, cleanest, economical, and has the most favourable results.

But now, say I am meeting someone who can read my mind, and I can not read minds, would I be comfortable with that?

Personally, yes, because there is nothing more tedious than having to explain oneself. A telepathic person would encourage me to just be and not fret about things. There wouldn't be a need to walk on eggshells, to try and not offend people, because my motives would be clear, whether the motives are "good" or "bad".

So... number 3 for me, because 3 gives birth to 1, and my life would be easier, simpler, and safer.

Safer because if I am telepathic, then I can keep away from dangerous people. Safer because if the other is telepathic and I am not, they would keep away from me if I am a danger to them. If we are both telepathic, it is also safe because if we see danger in each other, we would just avoid each other consciously, with no qualms and get on with our lives; and if we are not a danger to each other, there would not be WEARINESS that usually causes otherwise good relationships into bad ones.

On the pathological liar bit, if everyone was a liar, then it would be known that nothing said is true, this solves one problem but leaves another one because, although we know that what was said is not true, there is an infinite amount of things unsaid that could be true, so this would lead to total anarchy because everyone will be trying to guess what the truth was because what was said was definitely not true. This would lead to fear of each other, and confusion, unnecessary mistrust, and general discomfort of always looking over your shoulder. TRherefore (2) is not a good one for me.

posted September 17, 2007 08:26 AM         

Okay, now we are going to have an Unmoved digs Fayte.m thing and digress from the topic, but so be it.

Fayte.m you touch my heart - and I know that I don't have to substantiate that this is not a lesbian vibe going on, but just total love for another person.

posted September 17, 2007 08:27 AM         

All of our thoughts were first formed without words.

This is difficult to put into words

Pure communication is are kind of timeless feelings; whole concepts absorbed in one moment, where they are beyond words.

With skill and effort, sages throughout the ages have tried to bring these truths down to our level. The lower form of communication- words.