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Topic: My son's question & what do I tell him?
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spunknini Knowflake Posts: 1476 From: Sydney NSW, Australia Registered: Mar 2008
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posted March 21, 2009 07:09 PM
This morning My son asked how the Venus Fly Trap got it's name......He is madly fascinated with it at the moment after taking him to the plant nursery yesterday. He asked me to google it, which of course I did, however, the answer is not something that I'm inclined to tell him........ This is what one website had to say..... quote: The true reason that Venus is part of this plant's name due to the dirty minds of the kooky naturalists and nuserymen (such as John & William Bartram, Peter Collinson, William Darlington, Arthur Dobbs, John Ellis, and Daniel Solander). When they looked at the plant, they saw in its amazing behavior and attractive form (two red, glistening lobes, surrounded by hairs, sensitive to the touch), something that reminded them of female genitalia of their own species. Indeed!
quote: The rude interpretation of the plant was eventually translated into Latin, which commemorates both Venus (the goddess of Love and Sex!!), and also the plant's capturing capabilities. But it is important to observe that the specific name, "muscipula" does not mean flytrap. That would be "muscicapa." The Latin muscipula means mousetrap! So when Ellis chose the Latin genus and species epithets, he chose something to recall forever the notion of the love-goddess' grasping device that captures unwary little mammals. You nasty man!
Oh dear.....Perhaps I should tell him it is called Venus because it has beautiful flowers? Um.....Does anyone know if they are a flowering plant? Good grief charlie brown. IP: Logged |
cheshirekat Knowflake Posts: 214 From: wonderland Registered: Jan 2009
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posted March 21, 2009 07:29 PM
Lol, for real thats how it got it's name? Wow, you learn something new everyday haha."The name "Venus" refers to the Greek goddess of Love. Many people often say that love is a trap because people will do anything for it, and in this case, it is a deadly one! It is not people who are in love this time, but the poor little insects. Most Venus fly traps have a lovely, red "mouth" which is extremely appealing to flies and other bugs, even small animals such as frogs. However, when they get just a bit too close, they trigger little hairs on the inside of the trap and it snaps shut. What seemed so alluring just moments ago, now has brought those insects to their death. I can only suppose that the person who named the plant did not have very good experiences with love!" Found it on Wikianswers..Lol I cheated, sue me XD. Edit: They do bloom white flowers. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 14986 From: Pleasanton, CA, USA Registered: May 2005
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posted March 21, 2009 09:26 PM
You should tell him to Google it. Just kidding.Some questions don't return answers right away. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel Knowflake Posts: 10853 From: Registered: May 2008
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posted March 21, 2009 11:20 PM
You can borrow my stock reply for any hairy question:"I could explain it to you, but you wouldn't understand it now, so I'll explain it to you when you're older". IP: Logged |
spunknini Knowflake Posts: 1476 From: Sydney NSW, Australia Registered: Mar 2008
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posted March 22, 2009 12:12 AM
It certainly gave me a shock first thing in the morning lol.AG I will not let my 8yr old son google anything at this point in time.....You know what kind of stuff is likely to come up no matter how innocent seeming the words are & certainly don't want to be faced with answering THOSE questions anytime soon lol. PA He's a Capricorn male with a Gemini Moon, I can only wish that he would be satisfied with that kind of answer. ROFL never happen. I still haven't given him an answer yet, lol. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel Knowflake Posts: 10853 From: Registered: May 2008
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posted March 22, 2009 12:14 AM
spunksterIf it can work on my little man with his five planets in Aqua, it'll work on anyone. The other thing is let it go and just pray that he forgets he even asked it. Good luck. IP: Logged |
spunknini Knowflake Posts: 1476 From: Sydney NSW, Australia Registered: Mar 2008
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posted March 22, 2009 12:19 AM
Oh your funny.My boy never forgets his questions. Right now he is distracted with his replacement Harry Potter dvd. So I'm good for a couple of hours. I was thinking of sending a note to Mr Spiffy asking him to explain it to him ROFL.
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PeaceAngel Knowflake Posts: 10853 From: Registered: May 2008
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posted March 22, 2009 12:29 AM
I'm sure Mr Spiffy would be more than delighted to help. I'd ask. IP: Logged |
spunknini Knowflake Posts: 1476 From: Sydney NSW, Australia Registered: Mar 2008
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posted March 22, 2009 12:35 AM
ROFLIf you were me a stampede of wilderbeast couldn't stop you. IP: Logged |
snohawk1 Knowflake Posts: 422 From: Killaloe, Ontario, Canada Registered: Apr 2008
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posted March 22, 2009 12:57 AM
I don't see why it must be a big deal.Tell it to him strait, be objective, explain the variables. It may indeed be embarrassing, but come on, he asked. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel Knowflake Posts: 10853 From: Registered: May 2008
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posted March 22, 2009 01:07 AM
snohawkAre you a parent? IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 15972 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted March 22, 2009 11:52 AM
Tell him it's a mystery you can't seem to solve and you need his help. Then let him come up with it and say; Gee, i think youre right son!! That must be where it got it's name. Youre like Sherlock Holmes or something! Help him use his imagination. Then ask him why the sky is blue. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 1241 From: ca, usa Registered: Jan 2008
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posted March 22, 2009 12:01 PM
spunknini, you can use the astrological definition of venus to explain it...venus being the planet of attraction could well substitute for the ORGAN of attraction! so it traps the flies by attracting them first...IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross Knowflake Posts: 10271 From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA Registered: Aug 2004
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posted March 22, 2009 12:55 PM
He's 8.In my judgement, he is old enough to know the truth. And there are far more grizzly truths than this one. Don't amputate his intellect so casually. Let him come to know the world in its complexity, before he forms ridiculous and puerile notions that may endure for the rest of his life. Who knows, this may be an opportunity to talk to your child; to get to know him and to let him get to know you and your thoughts. Don't just look for an easy way out of it. Go with it. IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross Knowflake Posts: 10271 From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA Registered: Aug 2004
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posted March 22, 2009 01:14 PM
And for the record, I am not a parent and would not be a parent soon, if I can help it.I have far too much awareness of the responsibility involved to think that I have a right to be a parent. I think it is a full time job, and not one which every person is cut out to do well. It's too bad people don't have to apply to be a parent, the way you apply for a job or a loan. And that parents can only get "fired" after they completely traumatize their kids. Just thinking aloud here. IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 15972 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted March 22, 2009 01:20 PM
I wouldnt give him the old: 'I'll tell you when youre older' line. I really resented that one. Most kids probably do. I got it once when I asked my mom what the F word meant. Not sure what she couldve told me back then but I found out from an older kid up the street later that day since she wouldnt tell me. I was told not to say it, it was a bad word and that someday i'd know when i got older, while she laughted. Which made me even more curious and determined to find out. Didnt realize he was 8. I'm not sure if he's ready for the whole truth at that age, but maybe part of it? I dont think it would hurt to ask him to think about the name of the plant, what he associates with it and where it may have come from. Not so sure he's ready to hear the explanations given above. But i wouldnt laugh and tell him he can find out when he gets older. He'll probably then hop on the internet and look it up later on. Let us know how you handle it? IP: Logged |
LEXX Moderator Posts: 3617 From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat.........& LEXIGRAMMING... is my Passion! Registered: Jan 2008
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posted March 22, 2009 01:21 PM
I agree with HSC. Just tell him... or have him read these links. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_Flytrap http://cobraplant.com/index.php?main_page=page&id=8&chapter=1 http://www.botany.org/bsa/misc/carn.html IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 15972 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted March 22, 2009 01:29 PM
I think i got the 'sex/making babies talk' too early. Mom was very amused at my reactions and questions and comments to what she was explaining. I was disturbed and disgusted. I'm sure every kid is different and it's hard to judge when to tell them things you may think they are ready to hear. Point is, i may have asked, but i wasnt ready for the whole truth yet or with so much detail. I wished she waited on that one. There's a such thing as TMI. You know your son better than any of us. Let him hold on to some of his innocence as long as you can. IP: Logged |
TINK Knowflake Posts: 4375 From: New England Registered: Mar 2003
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posted March 22, 2009 01:54 PM
I like 26's answer.At the young age of eight, I'd still be more concerned with his imagination than his intellect. I think an eight year old needs myth more than cold, unadulterated science. Children are allowed a childhood for such a short amount of time, ripped from their dreamlike existence too soon. If you happen to ask him the sky question, I'd love to hear his reply. IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 15972 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted March 22, 2009 02:06 PM
Exactly. Well said, Tink.IP: Logged |
TINK Knowflake Posts: 4375 From: New England Registered: Mar 2003
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posted March 22, 2009 03:06 PM
eh. maybe it was a little self-righteous.IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 15972 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted March 22, 2009 03:23 PM
Nah. It came from a good place.And what do i know? I'm not a parent. IP: Logged |
spunknini Knowflake Posts: 1476 From: Sydney NSW, Australia Registered: Mar 2008
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posted March 22, 2009 04:56 PM
Stephen
quote: It's too bad people don't have to apply to be a parent, the way you apply for a job or a loan.And that parents can only get "fired" after they completely traumatize their kids.
You have it right on there! My thoughts exactly. And sadly very apt in our case.... I know children need to be told about these issues in a truthful manner. My boy is so much like I was as a child always asking the 'why' of things. My mother chose to answer my questions with "Y is a crooked letter & you can't straighten it" Which only ****** me off. On the other hand, I have to take my son's development & life events into consideration. He has been traumatized by many factors & I have only managed to get him into a "normal" childhood state these last few months, where he feels safe & loved. So I have to pick & choose the things I tell him but not fob him off with inane answers. The last thing I want to do is dampen his enthusiasm for knowledge. He is a very bright boy who thinks about things very deeply & can be quite emotional. Thank you for your answer. In my opinion it shows that you would make a great father one day. Bless you IP: Logged |
amowls Knowflake Posts: 1359 From: Richmond, VA USA Registered: Dec 2007
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posted March 22, 2009 05:20 PM
What's wrong with being honest with him? I'm not saying you should give him the whole sex talk now but you can just say "Because it reminded scientists of a woman's lady parts." I'm assuming he already knows that girls have different genitalia from boys. IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross Knowflake Posts: 10271 From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA Registered: Aug 2004
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posted March 22, 2009 05:41 PM
I hear you, spunk. You can do it. IP: Logged |