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posted April 15, 2009 06:35 AM         

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I think, although the planets themselves bring very heavy energies, Pluto-Mars conjunction is a more harmonious aspect than a square. I don't know why - but I actually really like Pluto-Mars conjunctions. I guess I just like that type of intensity with a partner - that full involvement. Who is Pluto and who is Mars is another matter though. I think I prefer to be the Pluto person is any conjunctions. Pluto-Mars always feels like it has the potential for violence or a sense of extremeness though - especially the squares, I think, more than the oppositions. Just feels volcanic.

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posted April 15, 2009 06:37 AM         

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The North Node person is being pulled by the planet person. The Node person has something to learn from the planet person - relating to the planet and those energies. But because these lessons are so strong, apparently, they can really resist them.

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posted April 15, 2009 06:51 AM         

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DD - I read your summary on RDA and found it fascinating! The timing of the attraction and how his DC links in is really amazing. Sorry, I'm keeping replies brief due to my bad net. Have you checked your prog stuff with him? I think that's very interesting how you checked your SR too, you must see what happens after your next SR concerning him.

PA - now I've ranted heaps about Mars-Saturn aspects. I think these are the ultimate sexual aspects and then it could go really bad if there is no patience between the parties. I think the DW helps with just one Mars-Saturn aspect because it makes both parties sensitive and more willing to work. I've seen these aspects put people together in reality with unexpected fireworks and then keep them together with the Saturn person complaining of the stabs. I'd never turn a blind eye to these aspects. JT and I have it too which has caused the fear in my that I have mentioned before.

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posted April 15, 2009 06:57 AM         

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I think that's what I like about Saturn. I know Saturn gets a bad rap about restrictions, etc, but I like to see it's longevity. It sticks people to things and I really appreciate that. At the same time, Mars-Saturn feels like it's got stop-start happening to it.

And then, I have to tackle Saturn as an Arien and say that I like the go-go-go energy of Mars and the stop and think about it energy of Saturn is not always appreciated.

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posted April 15, 2009 07:03 AM         

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PA, do you know what it means when natal Saturn is conjunct your own south node? I have this and have been unable to find much on it.

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posted April 15, 2009 07:03 AM         

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Mars-Pluto would sound very volcanic. It would be a very deep exploration of (sexual) drives.

I like to see the NN as a journey thing myself and lessons to be learned with the planet person pulling NN person along. Remember with the theory on the other thread re Lust that the point person is receptive or passive. My NN is in Sco/8th. Sco Web is really interesting in that he has a number of planets on my NN. I feel that he takes me on an explorative journey when I am with him (that's the 8th/Sco stuff there). It feels like I can't do anything, like I don't have legs but he can act like my legs and take me places. I hope I'm making sense.

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posted April 15, 2009 07:04 AM         

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I meant Saturn-SN in synastry.

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posted April 15, 2009 07:08 AM         

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Ah, sorry dude *blonde day*

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posted April 15, 2009 07:09 AM         

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Well,

Natally - Saturn conj SN would indicate that maybe someone is tied in a rut with structure. They know how to use their Saturn and know its game but then would maybe feel trapped by it and can't move forward, they have to move beyond structure or Saturn. Maybe Uranus transits might enliven and liberate them for a while.

Synastrically - I'd say that there is a sense of deep comfort maybe or at least structure that the Saturn person brings to the SN person but the SN person needs to move on and explore unstructured or different structured environments. While it is comfortable, it is not right. Otherwise, maybe a karmic debt that was somehow paid between the parties in previous life.

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posted April 15, 2009 07:11 AM         

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Wow! That's awesome - I love the way you described that - with ScorpWeb being your legs. That's brilliant.

I guess I just find those NN conjunctions hard to deal with when I'm the NN person. Looking at it with asteroids, I have Amor conjunct my NN too - so whoever touches NN is touching upon my love - not necessarily personal love - but the ideal of unconditional love. When it's on that personal point, it can be difficult, with other aspects too. I kind of feel that everything is about me learning to love everyone. And yet, when it comes to NN I have a great deal of resistence at times. And then again, I have Juno in there as well. My husband's Venus is conjunct all three.

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posted April 15, 2009 07:13 AM         

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Yes, think this is spot on:

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Otherwise, maybe a karmic debt that was somehow paid between the parties in previous life.

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But also that while it does give that sense of security and familiarity (safety) that it is time to move on from it.

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posted April 15, 2009 07:17 AM         

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PA - I think your husband obviously cares and patiently loves you and maybe understands that you have "Amor" issues in a non-astrological way. I guess any planets/asteroids on your NN would indicate things that you need to learn of those qualities of the planets/points or things that you can use to fulfil your NN.

I think also in relation to nodes, don't quote me on this but SN person gets sick of the planet person and planet person gets sick of NN person. So for example, to use SW, he could ditch me when he gets tired and feels that I have worked him too much!

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posted April 15, 2009 07:17 AM         

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Natally - Saturn conj SN would indicate that maybe someone is tied in a rut with structure. They know how to use their Saturn and know its game but then would maybe feel trapped by it and can't move forward, they have to move beyond structure or Saturn. Maybe Uranus transits might enliven and liberate them for a while.

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That's interesting 23. Thanks. Something to ponder. I feel like I've made friends with Saturn in the last year but something makes me go back to my old ways. Being human probably. Transiting Pluto's conjunct my NN at the moment and opposing the Saturn/SN, so maybe Pluto will help too. Ta muchly!

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posted April 15, 2009 07:19 AM         

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OK, I'm off to bed girls. It's lovely to see you again PA

"I'm off for a roll in the hay as well, whooosh!"

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posted April 15, 2009 07:19 AM         

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Yes - agreed about the planet person getting sick of the Node people. They just feel a sense of outgrowing eventually. Because the Nodes are about growth and with NN the person either learns to grow with the planet person and outgrows them, or totally resists the lessons and pulls away. Either way, there's a parting. And SN energies are always what has been - what's been learnt or experienced or seen - so they've been outgrown from the onset - and it's only a matter of time before the person makes the choice or realises, painfully, that they need to move forward, just for themselves - it's just what is right or feels right for them.

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posted April 15, 2009 07:21 AM         

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Thanks 23. Sweet dreams.

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posted April 15, 2009 07:22 AM         

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ROFL. I have a tendency to too many blonde moments on a day-to-day basis. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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posted April 15, 2009 07:26 AM         

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Before 23's post I was thinking about it too - and thinking about SN-Saturn natally as needing to "break free" from certain structures. Because it has already learn the discipline side of it - so maybe the need to let go in some areas - maybe denoted by the house placements. Not sure though. Not really confident in these things. 23's interpretations are always great though.

Ooh - before I post - I just found this:
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrological-aspects/north-node-opposition-saturn.php

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posted April 15, 2009 07:32 AM         

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Astrology aspects - North Node opposition Saturn. This aspect tends to be extremely limiting; the natives' rigid personal habits and ambitions put them out of harmony with prevailing cultural attitudes. In order to overcome the isolation thus created, they must learn to co-operate with the ideas and the methods of their society. On the positive side, the natives may achieve things which put them in a class by themselves by their individualistic and painstaking approach to work, in which all external influences are disregarded. This is especially the case with experts in obscure fields of endeavor.

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Thanks for the research PA, that is very interesting indeed.....

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posted April 15, 2009 07:34 AM         

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My NN is in Capricorn in 5th, opposing Saturn in Cancer in the 11th. I think maybe I need to be free-er with my friends? Let them be themselves, be less emotional about their choices and get on with my stuff in a Capricorn way.

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posted April 15, 2009 07:37 AM         

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May I recommend Jan Spiller's book "Astrolgy For The Soul" for you. Brilliant book. Brilliant astrologer. The whole book is about the Nodes. I can't tell you how much value it's been to me in learning about myself, and myself in relationships and even spiritually. It's just awesome. It's one of those ones that I just pull out every now and then and it takes me on another journey into myself and my life.

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posted April 15, 2009 07:38 AM           

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Night 23,

And that discussion was very interesting.
And I will have a look at the progressions.

PA,

yes I read that about Saturn-SN, too, that it`s hard to break this one.

So, it means that Jude has to break away from me (My Saturn on his SN), while he has to teach me something (his Venus and ASC on my NN)?

Well, it makes sense then that we do not know each other personally.

BTW what does it mean then if two angles are conjunct or two points?

Like NN conjunct IC or NN conjunct ASC or something similiar would mean both would feel something, but neither could act?

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posted April 15, 2009 07:39 AM         

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Just looking at my South Node. I remembered RDJ has a whole lot of planets there. His Pluto, Mars and Uranus are conjunct my SN. And his Saturn is conjunct my NN.

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posted April 15, 2009 07:43 AM           

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Oh and about the Mars-Pluto-conjunction, it`s definitely a very strong pull for me.

But I guess it might also have to do with my natal Venus-Pluto-square.
It means that whenever someone`s Mars is conjunct my Pluto in tight orb, that Mars will also square my Venus.

In the case of RDA it`s even creating a pretty explosive T-square.

His Mars conjunct my Pluto in Libra,
all of that opposes his Moon, NN and Lust in Aries, which falls onto my IC
and that squares my Venus.

The houses are also interesting. His Mars falls into my 10th house, his Moon and NN and Lust fall into my 4th house.

For him it`s my Pluto in his 5th house and my Venus in his 8th house.

It should be interesting to have the chance to see him on a convention or something like that some time.

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posted April 15, 2009 07:48 AM         

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Great question. I wouldn't necessarily consider NN to be inactive, because it's your direction, your life path, so there's nothing passive about that point. And most of our journeys really take place inside ourselves anyway. So it's possible to learn from people without experiencing them in person. Some people consider the NN to be the most important part of the natal chart.

AC conjunct NN is considered one of the big aspects by CafeAstrology.
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/ascendantconjunctnode.html

It sounds like a deeply personal connection and I think it's about the feelings evoked in the individuals, but how, or if they are expressed, maybe would come through other aspects. Maybe there's no avenue for expression and each person just goes along their way considering the other person with some warmth or a sense of closeness for the rest of their life.

But I'm just trying to figure it out too - these are thoughts - like thinking out loud or just bouncing ideas off each other until something makes sense.

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