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MyVirgoMask
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posted March 27, 2009 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know if fair is even the word to choose here. It obviously sucks, and many of us are guilty of it.
Do I read these trashy sites because it makes me feel better about myself? Maybe. As in, it makes me feel that celebrities are human just like I am.
It's just that they get put on pedestals (that we put them on), and we need to tear them down to see that they're real people.

Maybe the real question is why we even need celebrities in the first place.

Anyway, if anyone wants to post their thoughts about this, please do so. Or not.
The thread's here, so have at it if you wish

Maybe we can all reach a better understanding?

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posted March 28, 2009 01:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Well I'm in two minds about this.

Firstly, they are in the public eye. Many get paid ludicrous amounts but some may justify it in that they should be given a cut since they are the money makers for products. Many of them promote hype about themselves. It's part of the job to get criticised really. Each job has its down points.

Secondly, how far does harrassment from the media go? How far is too far? Some things should be kept private no matter what level of fame the person has. Maybe we expect too much from them as well and when they act human or have difficult moments, we hunt them down. For example, I felt very sorry for Britney when I saw a doco about her, she looked very trapped and lonely. It would be a high pressure career because of the attention. Maybe we all are really jealous.

I think it really is a case by case basis thing however I also think that these people put themselves in this spot by being famous in the first place. No one asked them to be famous and quite frankly I'd rather be famous than be starving with nothing on my back like in some parts of the world.

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posted March 28, 2009 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, I pretty much agree, 23, especially about the case by case thing.
I wonder who gets to draw the boundaries for going too far? Me, I just say common sense. But that doesn't mean others will agree. Some think the Jerry Springer-esque stuff isn't going too far.

You want to hear something weird (though maybe it's not that weird)? I feel sorry for George Bush. I think he was disastrous. But I feel sorry for him when people make fun of how he talks. The first few times it was entertaining because it was rather bizarre. Then it just got sad. I don't care how evil he is to some, I just have weird pity for him. Maybe that doesn't make it any better though...pity isn't exactly a nice thing.

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posted March 28, 2009 01:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Well I'm not a fan of W's politics (although I think he might be an OK guy to know personally) and it's easy to latch on his traits and idiosynchricies (sp?) as they are strong and "odd" and can make him look "simple". I doubt that his traits would be picked up on if he was "respected". For example, if Obama had his traits, no one would really make fun of it I reckon.

However, he is a case of successful nepotism. I find nepotism offensive to the extreme.

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I admit when my sis and I talked about Britney, I was hard on her in way. I didn't find her breakdowns funny or entertaining but I was waiting for Britney to kick the paparazzi in their arses and say "enough is enough". I admit they go to far and cross the lines but sometimes I remember the paparazzi probably have families to feed too...their work is not honest and sometimes I wish they stop trashing film on mediocre celebs and scandals and do some real photography!

I saw the docuementary with my sis and I am happy for Britney's revelation.

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posted March 28, 2009 01:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, nepotism is pretty terrible. The family saga is sad, really. And W wasn't even the 'smart one'. I think I feel bad about him because I've had a couple of dreams where I saw him cowering in a corner, crying, as people made fun of him. Ever since then I lost my anger toward him. I actually think it was a blessing of sorts, because it made me see him as human - I really kind of didn't see him that way at all before. In theory he was human. But that was about it. He's got a hell of a lot of baggage, W does. Expensive baggage. Baggage which isn't even matching luggage. It's all mismatched.

Cheshire, I can't say I even watched anything about Britney. There was a time not that long ago when her image was spamming every news post (alongside war news, for god's sake), and I was really ticked off - not really AT her, but just overall.
Still, when she shaved her head, I did pay attention LOL. So....guilty, as charged

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posted March 28, 2009 02:26 AM           Edit/Delete Message
I'm so glad people are starting to question this.

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/010792.html

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posted March 28, 2009 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
HSC, it's all good, we be connected like zee Universe this way

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posted March 28, 2009 04:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
It depends.

Comments about Princess Beatrice in her bikini? I'd say unfair. She was born famous, it wasn't a choice. She's not waif-sized, why that is newsworthy I really don't know.

If you started off an unknown girl from Essex like thousands of others, but get famous from going to celebrity parties (where you know there will be paparazzi lying in wait) wearing a belt around your nipples instead of a normal top, you are putting yourself in the line of fire.

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posted March 28, 2009 06:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
I think some celebrities like the publicity - bad or good - as long as they're in the spotlight.

What I really don't like about these magazines is when they publish stars out with their children. I think that's obnoxious. I would hate that.

I think if celebs are out publicising something or attending some public event, they've put them in the place to be photographed, interviewed, etc. But when they're out with their family or loved ones or friends and they're being stalked by press and photographers, that's way wrong.

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posted March 28, 2009 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
The press shouldn't have to be told not to stalk children in an effort to write stories ~ remember the warning given when Harry was at Eton?

Pictures of grieving families at funerals annoy me, that's just plain bad manners. Here is Mrs Cameron looking upset the day after her son died ~ that's just disrespectful. Unnecessary too, do we need to be told she isn't very happy that day?

On the other hand, publicity seekers who hit the big time and suddenly want to be taken seriously for their craft and the press to leave them alone are in a greyer area.

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posted March 28, 2009 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
"no such thing as bad publicity" has been the motto for centuries. i think it's a crock myself but until people stop buying the rags that pay them, paparazzi will endure. you would have thought that diana's death would create enough public outcry that it would never happen again...

i might look at the enquirer or US when i'm in 7/11, but i would not buy one of those papers even if i were in them!! it amazes me that anyone does.

we as a people feed this pathetic pastime for the sake of vicarious amusement. better to get a life i say.

as to "W" i have heard that he actually can speak quite well, but decided at some point that he would be more popular if he appeared to be less intelligent than he actually is...

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posted March 28, 2009 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Katatonic, I heard that same thing about W. That it was a stunt to make him seem more 'endearing'. I don't know.

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posted March 28, 2009 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
The main thing to remember about any gossip, especially relating to celebs by the media, is that it's as inaccurate and mean spirited as anything you ever heard in school (or gossip in a small town, "word on the streets," etc). I honestly don't even know how many magazines stay in biz given how many whoppers they've had to apologize for in the past. I've noticed that many magazines and articles also neglect to give context when they report on the latest thing said or done, too (which is very suspicious to me).

OTOH, celebs get away with things us mere mortals would never have a chance of overcoming. 'Course they probably get into most of the trouble they get into because they're celebs, but I expect it's nerve wracking all the same.

Ah well, I did like this vid, done by a teen celeb that has endured all kinds of whoppers (including that she was friggin' pregnant when she wasn't by J-14):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVJ-37QnYB0

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posted March 28, 2009 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
Oh heck yeah I think it's fair

There should be laws against exploiting children with photos
and the press should be more sensitive to personal issues. (death, divorce, etc)
but other than that if they want to do something like steal someone's coat (Lindsey) then they're fair game.

Celebrities are emulated
if they go around and are exempt from their bad behavior then what kind of a message is that sending?

You never get a second chance to make a first impression.

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posted March 28, 2009 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
and of course even reasonably normal things can be blown up just by being spread around...when everyone was shrieking about britney's behaviour i couldn't help thinking a lot of it was perfectly normal if rebellious stuff for someone her age subjected to the amount of control people tried to keep her under. and of course it backfired on her and brought down even more control.

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i'm so glad Britney Spears is back happy and healthy again. she's on tour at the moment, and she looks so refreshed and positive. it just shows that anyone can come out stronger than before, even when your life has been publicised to the whole world, in her case.

she's an inspirational person.

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posted March 29, 2009 01:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message
quote:
Mudslinging Celebrities. Is it Fair?


No. It isn't.


It's ignorant and mean.


Unless they're being cruel for no reason,
there is no reason to justify teasing them.

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posted March 29, 2009 01:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Ok, valid points, all.
And I agree. Again, the Britney thing...I don't get it. Maybe it's because I just never got the hype. I see celebrities' faces thrown at me in different ways (good or evil) and just get tired of it most of the time.

HSC, of course it's heartlessly cruel; you're right. But I am just wondering about human nature here. I'm not condoning bad behavior by any means. I'm just saying it's human as well.
So we built up these icons and put them on pedestals and then tear them down. We want them to be perfect because we crave the ideal maybe (this is the collective 'We', by the way, but I think you know that ) , but then that gets pretty boring pretty fast as well. And so we tear them down because we want to relate to them maybe. And the quickest way to do that is to take a shortcut since we DON'T know them (i.e., her a$$ is fat, her hands look terrible, she has no belly button, etc.) ....and that also happens to be where it hurts since a celeb's exterior image is so obviously important.

But I think it's just one more way for people to bridge the gap from their world to ours. I think it's a crappy way to do it, but I really don't exactly see us living in society that likes to take the time to explore anything generally LOL

I have an ex-boyfriend who was actually the first guy I fell head-over-heels for. He's now a fairly-known actor. He wasn't when I met him. I read stuff about him from time to time which is ugly. I don't laugh. I don't need to. I already bridged the gap with him (even though he ripped out my freakin' heart and ate it, all the while dousing A-1 Steak Sauce). I'm not sad, either though, to read it, because I'll always love him on some level, and I know how humble a person he is.


So I can't say I really think it's right or wrong. It just is, and it ain't gonna stop, which is why I'm curious what it says about humanity in general, and the state of us as people, collectively.

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posted March 29, 2009 02:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message
"I'm just saying it's human."

It's not my nature, MVM.
It just doesnt hold an appeal for me.
It's rude, and shouldnt be justified.

But I do think I hear what you are saying.

Yes, we are all imperfect, doing our best...

And I am tolerant enough not to impose my will,
or to say to anyone "you can't do that", but,
I will say, unequivocally, "that is wrong".

There are many vices, or so-called vices, that I'll turn a blind eye to.

I just feel that, if it is at the expense of others,
then I can't look the other way and just walk on by.

Sorry to hear about the steaksauce.

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posted March 29, 2009 02:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
If you really think of it, it's not rude or unjustified. Those are subjective ideas in the minds of humans. It could only be rude or unjustified if the person being spoken of finds offense.

An aging male actor could take offense at someone noting that he's losing his hair, or he could give a crap less for reasons fairly obvious to anyone thinking about them.

As a celebrity, if these people want to look at what is being printed about them, what will they find?

True statements. If what's being reported is true, then it's something that they are dealing with anyway, so they'd be dealing with it regardless of whether it was printed or not.

False statements. Celebrities do actually take their messages of denial to the public on a regular basis. Aside from that, a lot of people learn how to ignore falsehoods writ about themselves.

I think paparazzi is a bigger burden than the tabloids in all honesty. At least that would be my heirarchy if I were a celebrity.

In general I think pain generally brings growth, and that's why there's so much of it. If any of the clean people I know ever got teased for not taking showers at some point in their life, I'm frankly thankful for the teasers, because they provided me with a clean person in the present.

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posted March 29, 2009 03:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
TOTALLY UNJUSTIFIED

bitter, twisted, ugly, creepy, SUPERFICIAL, bored, resentful, struggling, lack of self-worth, resentment.
ALL words i would use to associate with whoever is mudslinging a celebrity.

It's not fair; and it will give you a most miserable life too!!

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posted March 29, 2009 03:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
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If any of the clean people I know ever got teased for not taking showers at some point in their life, I'm frankly thankful for the teasers, because they provided me with a clean person in the present.

This is ludicrous AG! lol
No one takes showers because they are teased... we have a routine of cleanliness because we love ourselves and self-respect our self/bodies, surely.

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posted March 29, 2009 03:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
TOTALLY SUBJECTIVE

quote:
bitter, twisted, ugly, creepy, SUPERFICIAL, bored, resentful, struggling, lack of self-worth, resentment. ALL words i would use to associate with whoever is mudslinging a celebrity.

Don't forget honest and opinionated.

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posted March 29, 2009 03:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message
AG lol

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