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Lexxigramer
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posted April 08, 2017 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceres_Moon thread crashed page 6 gone and post from page 5 too.
I saved the posts before they vanished. Can re-post them later on a brand new thread.
If you want I can e-mail your html versions
so that you can re-post them yourself.
I am exhausted from making many long replies to you and trying to rescue that thread.
I give up for now. Maybe it will stabilize and lost posts come back, but I doubt it.

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posted April 08, 2017 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceres_Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bizarre...
Don't worry. I read everything you wrote several times up to the last part you wrote about the games they were playing and looking after myself for the time being.

That's plenty to digest for the time being <3

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posted April 08, 2017 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceres_Moon:
Bizarre...
Don't worry. I read everything you wrote several times up to the last part you wrote about the games they were playing and looking after myself for the time being.


I was able to re-post on page 6 of the formally glitching thread.
I think it has finally stabilized.
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Originally posted by Ceres_Moon:

That's plenty to digest for the time being <3

You can read it again since you may have missed some things that I added whilst I was fixing typos and editing and trying to post more.
I have it condensed fairly well from the several lost posts and your replies.
I am fraking exhausted at the moment.
I shall of course return A.S.A.P.

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posted April 09, 2017 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unfortunately, this will happen from time to time if we keep the edit function. Hopefully, it won't be commonplace.

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posted April 09, 2017 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Unfortunately, this will happen from time to time if we keep the edit function. Hopefully, it won't be commonplace.
I'd rather keep the edit button anyhow.
I just need to do my posts offline, and then paste them in. I need to proofread better too.

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posted April 10, 2017 03:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceres_Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lexxi, is it possible to edit some of the previous posts on the glitchy thread that had my actual name spelled out - I realised I wouldn't like it to remain there.

If it's too difficult, can we just delete that thread (I've read it many times) and use this one now?

Hope you had a relaxing Sunday

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posted April 10, 2017 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceres_Moon:
Lexxi, is it possible to edit some of the previous posts on the glitchy thread that had my actual name spelled out - I realised I wouldn't like it to remain there.

If it's too difficult, can we just delete that thread (I've read it many times) and use this one now?

Hope you had a relaxing Sunday



No problem!
Doing it now!
We are not supposed to delete. But yes; I can edit names out to protect privacy!
It will take a few minutes; but here goes!
I can still work on your names and post though. I will simply use the sequences only.
PS...sigh....was mostly down Sunday. That's just the way it is for me usually. Here and fb are my only main "outings" social things. I often go from bed to toilet to hard chair; post/reply/post/reply....for as long as my stamina and eyesight hold; then back to toilet and bed....then repeat cycle 24/7. On that note, have to go turn in some paper work to the hospital and neurologist.
I will edit out your name first.

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posted April 10, 2017 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DONE EDITING!
I think I fixed it all.

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posted April 11, 2017 05:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceres_Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much Lexxi...I really appreciate it. I just realised that I do value some privacy.

Hey, don't worry about my name etc, I'm in no rush. It doesn't really matter to me if it takes time or not. There is a lot unfolding in my life right now and I am perfectly content to let things flow in their own time.

I've been invited to give a talk at an international women's organisation this year and I've been on this whole journey of reclamation and writing.

My topic is going to be around women and magic. Now as a word-lover, that is interesting to you I bet! From the Greek Magike Techne - meaning the art of the Magi. But research shows that the Greek's got their root word from the Indo-European MAGH - meaning the ability to do, the power to act. Pre-patriarchy, it was someone who could do/act/have power. Prior to the 14th century "magic" as a paranormal phenomenon didn't exist. It was an accepted understanding of the laws of nature and the universe and that if you knew the laws and were willing to channel power and act, you could influence them....

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posted April 11, 2017 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceres_Moon:
Thanks so much Lexxi...I really appreciate it. I just realised that I do value some privacy.

You're welcome!
And I totally understand.
quote:
Originally posted by Ceres_Moon:

Hey, don't worry about my name etc, I'm in no rush. It doesn't really matter to me if it takes time or not. There is a lot unfolding in my life right now and I am perfectly content to let things flow in their own time.

Oh I will work on it anyhow; and if it is OK with you; will ask you for input on it from time to time.
I have already put many many hours study into it and the variations.
To stop now would be a waste of my precious time to a degree.
Yes; it has helped you so far;
but I do this here at LL for free; and to teach and illustrate for folks; the wonders and all of Lexigramming!
It was going to take time to finish the analysis and more; whether you are involved or not.
Just like I worked on your name before your March 2017 return not knowing whether you were interested, or going to return or not.
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Originally posted by Ceres_Moon:

I've been invited to give a talk at an international women's organisation this year and I've been on this whole journey of reclamation and writing.

My topic is going to be around women and magic.


Wonderful!
quote:
Originally posted by Ceres_Moon:

Now as a word-lover, that is interesting to you I bet!

Indeed!
quote:
Originally posted by Ceres_Moon:
My topic is going to be around women and magic. the Greek Magike Techne - meaning the art of the Magi. But research shows that the Greek's got their root word from the Indo-European MAGH - meaning the ability to do, the power to act. Pre-patriarchy, it was someone who could do/act/have power. Prior to the 14th century "magic" as a paranormal phenomenon didn't exist. It was an accepted understanding of the laws of nature and the universe and that if you knew the laws and were willing to channel power and act, you could influence them....
I was aware of that; but seeing how many folks here might not be familiar with that information; I will add more concerning such.
Thank you for an interesting segue!


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posted April 11, 2017 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mage (n.)
"magician," c. 1400, Englished form of Latin magus "magician" (see magi).
An "archaic" word by late 19c. (OED), revived by fantasy games.

magi (n.)
c. 1200, "skilled magicians, astrologers," from Latin magi, plural of magus "magician, learned magician," from Greek magos, a word used for the Persian learned and priestly class as portrayed in the Bible (said by ancient historians to have been originally the name of a Median tribe), from Old Persian magush "magician" (see magic). Related: Magian.

Magus (n.)
member of the ancient Persian priestly caste, late 14c., singular of magi (q.v.).

Magi
In Iranian sources
The Avestan word magâunô, i.e. the religious caste of the Medes, (see Yasna 33.7: ýâ sruyê parê magâunô "so I can be heard beyond Magi"), seems to be the origin of the term.

The term only appears twice in Iranian texts from before the 5th century BCE, and only one of these can be dated with precision. This one instance occurs in the trilingual Behistun inscription of Darius the Great, and which can be dated to about 520 BCE. In this trilingual text, certain rebels have 'magian' as an attribute; in the Old Persian portion as maγu- (generally assumed to be a loan word from Median). The meaning of the term in this context is uncertain.

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Magic
late Middle English (also in the sense ‘a magical procedure’): from Old French magique, from Latin magicus (adjective), late Latin magica (noun), from Greek magikē **(tekhnē )** ‘(art of) a magus’: magi were regarded as magicians.

magic
(n.)
late 14c., "art of influencing events and producing marvels using hidden natural forces," from Old French magique "magic, magical," from Late Latin magice "sorcery, magic," from Greek magike (presumably with tekhne "art"), fem. of magikos "magical," from magos "one of the members of the learned and priestly class," from Old Persian magush, possibly from PIE *[magh- (1) "to be able, to have power" (see machine). Transferred sense of "legerdemain, optical illusion, etc." is from 1811. Displaced Old English wiccecræft (see witch); also drycræft , from dry "magician," from Irish drui "priest, magician" (see druid).

magic (adj.)
late 14c., from Old French magique , from Latin magicus "magic, magical," from Greek magikos, from magike (see magic (n.)). Magic carpet first attested 1816. Magic Marker (1951) is a registered trademark (U.S.) by Speedry Products, Inc., Richmond Hill, N.Y. Magic lantern "optical instrument whereby a magnified image is thrown upon a wall or screen" is 1690s, from Modern Latin laterna magica.


magic (v.)
1906, from magic (n.).

magical (adj.)
1550s, from magic (n.) + -al (1). Related: Magically.

magician (n.)
late 14c., from Old French magiciien "magician, sorcerer," from magique (see magic (n.))
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Druid (n.)
1560s, from French druide , from Latin druidae (plural), from Gaulish Druides , from Celtic compound [*dru-wid-[/i] , probably representing Old Celtic [b]*derwos "true"/PIE *dru- "tree" (especially oak; see tree (n.)) + *wid- "to know" (see vision). Hence, literally, perhaps, "they who know the oak" (perhaps in allusion to divination from mistletoe). Anglo-Saxon, too, used identical words to mean "tree" and "truth" (treow).

The English form comes via Latin, not immediately from Celtic. The Old Irish form was drui (dative and accusative druid; plural druad); Modern Irish and Gaelic draoi , genitive druadh "magician, sorcerer." Not to be confused with United Ancient Order of Druids, secret benefit society founded in London 1781.
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witch (n.)
Old English wicce "female magician, sorceress," in later use especially "a woman supposed to have dealings with the devil or evil spirits and to be able by their cooperation to perform supernatural acts," fem. of Old English wicca "sorcerer, wizard, man who practices witchcraft or magic," from verb wiccian "to practice witchcraft" (compare Low German wikken, wicken "to use witchcraft," wikker, wicker "soothsayer").

OED says of uncertain origin; Liberman says "None of the proposed etymologies of witch is free from phonetic or semantic difficulties." Klein suggests connection with Old English wigle "divination," and wig, wih "idol." Watkins says the nouns represent a Proto-Germanic *wikkjaz "necromancer" (one who wakes the dead), from PIE *weg-yo-, from *weg- (2) "to be strong, be lively" (see wake (v.)).

That wicce once had a more specific sense than the later general one of "female magician, sorceress" perhaps is suggested by the presence of other words in Old English describing more specific kinds of magical craft. In the Laws of Ælfred (c.890), witchcraft was specifically singled out as a woman's craft, whose practitioners were not to be suffered to live among the West Saxons:
Ða fæmnan þe gewuniað onfon gealdorcræftigan & scinlæcan & wiccan, ne læt þu ða libban.
The other two words combined with it here are gealdricge , a woman who practices "incantations," and scinlæce "female wizard, woman magician," from a root meaning "phantom, evil spirit." Another word that appears in the Anglo-Saxon laws is lyblæca "wizard, sorcerer, " but with suggestions of skill in the use of drugs, because the root of the word is lybb "drug, poison, charm" (see leaf (n.)). Lybbestre was a fem. word meaning "sorceress," and lybcorn was the name of a certain medicinal seed (perhaps wild saffron). Weekley notes possible connection to Gothic weihs "holy" and German weihan "consecrate," and writes, "the priests of a suppressed religion naturally become magicians to its successors or opponents." In Anglo-Saxon glossaries, wicca renders Latin augur (c. 1100), and wicce stands for "pythoness, divinatricem.[/b][/i] " In the "Three Kings of Cologne" (c. 1400) wicca translates Mag i:
Þe paynyms ... cleped þe iij kyngis Magos, þat is to seye wicchis.
The glossary translates Latin necromantia ("demonum invocatio") with galdre, wiccecræft . The Anglo-Saxon poem called "Men's Crafts" has wiccræft , which appears to be the same word, and by its context means "skill with horses." In a c. 1250 translation of "Exodus," witches is used of the Egyptian midwives who save the newborn sons of the Hebrews: "Ðe wicches hidden hem for-ðan, Biforen pharaun nolden he ben." Witch in reference to a man survived in dialect into 20c., but the fem. form was so dominant by 1601 that men-witches or he-witch began to be used. Extended sense of "old, ugly, and crabbed or malignant woman" is from early 15c; that of "young woman or girl of bewitching aspect or manners" is first recorded 1740. Witch doctor is from 1718; applied to African magicians from 1836.
At this day it is indifferent to say in the English tongue, 'she is a witch,' or 'she is a wise woman.' [Reginald Scot, "The Discoverie of Witchcraft," 1584]
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posted April 12, 2017 03:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceres_Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lexxi, you're like my Yoda. I could talk to you all day.

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posted April 12, 2017 03:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceres_Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But one thing I still don't really understand, was magic just "normal" (and so didn't require a word to set it apart as something unusual) prior to the 14th century (which is not that long ago!) or...? I'm just amazed that it wasn't something that required a conscious word before that.

My own personal memories of other lives indicate that magic was all around us, yet seeing the etymology and rather recent history of the word has really shocked me. Religious texts like the bible etc talk about witches and being evil (or so I was told growing up) but is their "magic" just implied?

What is the relationship between women having power and magic and the concept of "evil" or fear in the context of religion? I feel like I know what it is for me personally...but what does the history tell us?

I mean, I'm aware that the time of the Inquisition (and before) say 6-7 generations of women wiped out for supposedly having/using magic - which was just the excuse they used for a woman who was not submissive to authority (among other things) but why was it magic cast in the role of evil that was used as the justification?
Inquisition, now there's a word to lexigram...

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posted April 13, 2017 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yoda LEXX she is.

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posted April 13, 2017 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yoda LEXX she is.
Yoda be I like.

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Originally posted by Ceres_Moon:
Lexxi, you're like my Yoda. I could talk to you all day.

I shall return A.S.A.P.
And thank you for the lovely compliments!

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Originally posted by Ceres_Moon:
But one thing I still don't really understand, was magic just "normal" (and so didn't require a word to set it apart as something unusual) prior to the 14th century (which is not that long ago!) or...? I'm just amazed that it wasn't something that required a conscious word before that.

My own personal memories of other lives indicate that magic was all around us, yet seeing the etymology and rather recent history of the word has really shocked me. Religious texts like the bible etc talk about witches and being evil (or so I was told growing up) but is their "magic" just implied?

What is the relationship between women having power and magic and the concept of "evil" or fear in the context of religion? I feel like I know what it is for me personally...but what does the history tell us?

I mean, I'm aware that the time of the Inquisition (and before) say 6-7 generations of women wiped out for supposedly having/using magic - which was just the excuse they used for a woman who was not submissive to authority (among other things) but why was it magic cast in the role of evil that was used as the justification?


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Originally posted by Ceres_Moon:

Inquisition, now there's a word to lexigram...


But which inquisition?
Or do you mean simply;
the basic noun definition, and not one of the many "Inquisitions" throughout time?

Okay...to continue addressing the main gist of your queries;
For the moment I will leave this for you to read.
It might hold answers to some of your questions.

Here is a copy of of an article which may be relevant to your queries and pondering on the issues of women, magic, and so forth.

I have added in bold highlights and italics throughout parts of it)
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How Frightened Patriarchal Men Have Tried to Repress Women's Sexuality Through History

Nasty conservative attacks on women would have been well received in the Roman senate, the Greek agora or most halls of religious power in early Europe.
By Eric Berkowitz / AlterNet May 29, 2012

The sexual revolution was not sparked by a single incident and no particular group can claim credit (or blame) for carrying it forward. But all of us agree that it has indeed taken place and that American society has been transformed. A good gauge of the scope of the sexual revolution comes from its opponents. If it’s not Rick Santorum, it’s another conservative leader decrying the threat to our way of life posed by the loosening of traditional codes of sexual behavior.

But the opposition to the sexual revolution goes much further than sex. For at least the past half-century, conservatives have cast a much wider net, lumping together feminism, sexual and reproductive freedom, abortion rights, and even equal pay with the potential downfall of America. That broad-based attack is not unusual. While researching my book, I discovered many historical public debates almost identical to the ones going on today. Since the dawn of humankind, men have not only feared women’s sexuality, they have also, to a surprising extent, measured their power in terms of how effectively they could suppress the rights of women on a variety of fronts. The recent comment of the Fox News guest Rev. Jesse Lee Petersen, that “Wherever women are taking over, evil reigns,” would have been well received in the Roman senate, the Greek agora, or most halls of religious power in Europe.

At the beginning ...

In primitive societies, men regarded women with the same dread they felt toward the natural world.
Early humankind was at perennial war with nature, the forces of which were lethal as well as incomprehensible.
The core of the natural world was the female womb, from which newborn human life emerged in a gush of blood.

It was not until about 9000 BCE that the link between sexual intercourse and pregnancy was confirmed.
Until then, sex and childbirth were too far separated in time for people to make the connection, and women spent much of their short lives either pregnant or lactating. Children seemed to just appear in the womb.

Even more incomprehensibly, and perhaps horrifyingly, was the blood that periodically flowed from women’s bodies.
Blood was dangerous to lose, yet women bled for days at a time with no injury, and no one knew why. The one clear fact was that menstrual blood came from women and from the same place where human life begins.

The first sexual prohibitions were likely Paleolithic taboos against intercourse with women during their periods. Perhaps the sudden appearance of menstrual blood reminded men that, despite their physical strength, they could not generate life on their own.

Most likely, the rejection of women while their blood flowed was a precaution to appease the threatening divine presence men felt when confronted with the unknown.

As time passed, men’s fear of women evolved into outright hostility, with the result that menstruating women were regarded as equal parts dangerous and filthy.

The belief was amplified in later centuries, but no one took menstrual fear further into the realm of obsession than the Hebrews.
The Torah decrees that women and everything they touch are unclean during their periods. The contamination extends to things touched by people who are themselves touched by menstruating women.
For example, if a man “lies” with a woman during her period and later sleeps on another bed, that bed becomes "unclean" and must be destroyed.

Over the centuries, menstrual blood came to be regarded as mystical, and found its way into recipes for sex potions.
Mothers saved their daughters’ first menstrual flows to later mix into aphrodisiacs to spark desire in their sons-in-law.

In 15th-century Venice, a lower-class girl used a mixture of her own menstrual blood, a rooster heart, wine, and flour to make a young aristocratic man “insane” with love for her. She was put to death;
the young man was viewed by the court as an unwitting victim.

As late as 1878, the British Medical Journal questioned whether or not a ham could turn rancid at the touch of a menstruating woman.

The Bible also, of course, mandates circumcision for males, which one major Jewish sage, Isaac Ben Yedaya argued was useful in preventing wives from straying to other men. To Ben Yedaya, [the absence of a foreskin increases male erotic sensation to the point of sparking premature ejaculation, which leaves the wife unsatisfied, “ashamed and confounded.” This was a good thing, he said, because giving a wife sexual pleasure invites a new host of problems:

She too will court the man who is uncircumcised in the flesh and

lie against his breast with great passion, for he thrusts inside her

a long time because of his foreskin, which is a barrier against ejaculation in intercourse. Thus she feels pleasure and reaches an

orgasm first. When an uncircumcised man sleeps with her and

then resolves to return to his home, she brazenly grasps him,

holding on to his genitals, and says, “Come back, make love to

me.” This is because of the pleasure that she finds in intercourse

with him, from the sinews of his testicles—sinews of iron—and

from his ejaculation—that of a horse—which he shoots like an

arrow into her womb.

The Greeks thought circumcision was disgusting, but they shared the belief that women’s sexuality was something to be controlled. To Aristotle, women’s bodies were passive receptacles for men to deposit their seed, what Sophocles called a “field to plow.” Since the key function of women was to produce children, Athenians thought it was pointless to educate them or allow them to participate in public life. Instead, they were kept in airless, womb-like inner rooms, interacting only with slaves or family. Indeed, spending too much time with women was potentially toxic to a man’s reputation. A man “under the influence of a woman” was classified along with the old, insane and sick as incompetent to testify in court. Wives were so removed from their husbands that a law had to be passed requiring periodic marital sex. Otherwise, there would have been too few legitimate children.

Women’s rights were not a disputed issue in Greece, but in Rome they sometimes were. In 195 BCE, there was a raging debate over a set of rules, called the Oppian Law, which curbed women’s abilities to own gold, wear flashy clothing and travel around town in carriages. The Oppian Law had been passed decades earlier as a wartime austerity measure, but after the war ended women were unhappy that the restrictions were still on the books.
To Cato the Elder, the holder of Rome’s political highest office, the issue was really about male power and the dangers of female sexual license.

A crowd of angry women jeered at Roman senators as they gathered to decide whether the Oppian Law should stay or go. The mob had been growing for two days, swollen by women pouring in from nearby towns. Inside the Senate, Cato scolded his brethren for letting matters get so far out of hand. Men’s liberties were now in danger of being “crushed and trampled on,” he warned. If the Senate allowed the Oppian Law to be repealed, it would be a slippery slope to equality of the sexes, or worse:

Give loose rein to [women’s] uncontrollable nature and to this untamed creature and expect that they will themselves set bounds to their license...it is complete liberty, or rather if you want to speak the truth, complete license they desire...From the moment they become your equals, they will become your masters.

To a Roman man, nothing could be worse than that. Cato’s appeal was passionate, but the Oppian Law was nevertheless repealed. Mark one small victory for women’s rights in Rome. There would be few others.

Rome's highest priestesses were known as the Vestal Virgins. They were “vestal” because they served the goddess Vesta, and “virgins” in that their untouched bodies were seen as essential to the safety of Roman society. No one else in Rome was expected to stay a virgin, but a single sexual detour by a Vestal was thought to bring pestilence, losses in war and divine displeasure. On several occasions, when no one could figure out why some calamity had befallen Rome, Vestals were accused of no longer being virgins. For that crime, they were buried alive in a tiny room and covered up without a trace.

The Vestal Virgins lasted for 1,000 years,
until they were outlawed by a Christian emperor, but the move to Christianity signaled no shift away from the tradition of controlling women’s sexuality.

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I am not highlighting the following section because much of it may apply to your queries and pondering concerning the issue of "women and magic" and fear of women, and women being seen as evil, magic, and, mystical; and so forth.

To the Christian fathers such as Tertullian, women were the “doorway to the devil,” creatures whose burning sexual desires needed to be carefully husbanded for everyone’s safety.
This belief only amplified over the years, especially during the fever dream that was the witch-hunting craze of the 16th and 17th centuries, when about 60,000 women and girls were accused of joining with the devil to harm crops, kill children and spread disease.

Sex was always involved in these persecutions, either through accusations that the witches had bizarre carnal relations with the devil or his minions, or through molestations of the women during the trials.
(Seems like the search for “devil’s marks” often took court investigators below the waist.)

The explanation was simple:
“All witchcraft comes from carnal lust,” said a priest/prosecutor, “which is in women insatiable.” Said another witch hunter:
“All wickedness is but little to the wickedness of a woman.”

Witches were hunted down and killed for another reason, too: they were thought to neuter men.
The vast literature of witch hunting is filled with nightmares of castration and lost virility.
Most famously, witches were said to collect the penises they severed and keep them hidden while the afflicted men wandered the earth looking for their lost members.
It was of “common report,” a popular legal guide assured the reader, that witches kept their penis collections in birds’ nests, where they wiggled by themselves and ate oats and corn.
Perhaps inadvertently revealing too much, the churchman who wrote the book added that in one case the “big” penis in the nest belonged to a priest.

The witch trials were over by the 18th century, but the urge to control female sexuality persisted.

Quack science emerged as another justification for repression.
As the spread of syphilis and other STDs became increasingly unmanageable, “good” girls were thought to be less likely to pass on venereal diseases than the “bad” ones.
In any case, men were innocent victims.

Men contract this evil from women that are infected,” according to one medical source, “because in the [sex] act...the Womb being heated, vapors are raised from the malignant humors in the womb, which are suck’t in by the man’s Yard.” In this way, held another authority, “the Pocky Steams of the diseased woman do often evidently imprint their malignity on the genitals of the healthy play-fellows.”

That is why nearly all official measures against venereal disease were directed exclusively against women.

In the 19th century, many European governments legalized prostitution, but only to the extent of subjecting real or suspected prostitutes to punishing medical inspections, often called “instrument rapes,” which probably resulted in the transmission of a variety of harmful infections. One French woman described the process in detail:

It is awful work; the attitude they push us into first is so disgusting and so painful, and then those monstrous instruments—often they use several. They seem to tear the passage open first with their hands, and examine us, and then they thrust in instruments, and they pull them out and push them in, and they turn and twist them about; and if you cry out they stifle you....

In Vienna, all single women with active sex lives were seen by police as potential prostitutes, and some were put on the list of prostitutes after they showed interest in undercover agents who flirted with them on the street.

Opposition to the laws galvanized early feminist movements, especially in England, including the beloved Florence Nightingale, religious zealots, muckraking journalists and civil libertarians.
The English laws were finally repealed in 1885, but only after a 20-year legislative battle.
In the United States, prostitution was legalized when St. Louis passed a “Social Evil Ordinance” in 1870, patterned after European prostitution laws, but it was repealed after 100,000 people signed a petition against it. Those ushering the massive document into the Missouri legislature were flanked by young girls in white gowns.

American anti-pornography laws also took abortion and birth control information out of circulation.
The 1873 Comstock Act, zealously enforced by the Olympian busybody Anthony Comstock, outlawed the transport not only of “lewd” and “lascivious” materials, but also anything used for “prevention of contraception or procuring of abortion.” One pamphlet, called “Words in Pearl,” which counseled married couples on birth control, was ruled so obscene the jury was not allowed to see it. The judge held that even medical advice given by a doctor could be illegal if it was mailed.

Fortunately, Comstock is gone, birth control is still widely available and the right to choose still stands. It’s no surprise that women (at least those in the US and Europe) have it much better now than ever before.
The question is what to make out of the current backward rush toward the “good old days” when, for example, a husband could never be accused of raping his wife.
Are the proponents of the hundreds of bills affecting women’s health and sexuality just crackpots?
Or are they following deeply held, legitimate beliefs that the freedom of women to direct their own sexual lives destabilizes society?

There is no doubt that the beliefs of Anthony Comstock or Sen. Rick Santorum, for that matter, can be genuine. Judging by the examples above, they also can lay claim to historical precedent. But the fact that something was done before does not make it legitimate. The "good old days" never existed. In fact, it is the fear-driven desire of men to control female sexuality and reproduction that should be corralled by the law, not reproductive choices.
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For the rest of the article;
go here: http://www.alternet.org/story/155645/how_frighten ed_patriarchal_men_have_tried_to_repress_women%27s_sexuality_through_history

If the article does not completely address your queries;
feel free to post more questions on the topic you presented here.

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Inquisition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition


HISTORICAL OVERVIEW OF THE INQUISITION
http://galileo.rice.edu/lib/student_work/trial96/loftis/overview.html


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OK.... now I understand something I didn't before... what we started to call "magic" at some point, for a long time it was just thought of as natural forces. And those natural forces were seen as inherently feminine in nature - also because women had periods and birthed children.

So the entire Patriarchy was birthed from vagina envy - and here they've been telling us all this time that we have penis envy! ha!

No really, that does clear it up for me - thank you. I wasn't understanding how we got from A to B on this one.

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I feel like I've been on quite a journey the past 10 days or so. Granted there is a pretty major retrograde going on that has felt to me like a lot of very deep things have had the light of the full moon shone on them...

But this deeper understanding about the dowsing situation I was in, the deeper understanding of magic and history on earth as a woman.

So, after I got that speaking gig I mentioned before, I sent out a questionnaire because I'm trying to get 100 women and 100 children to answer the question what does magic mean to them?

And a link to my website that I haven't touched in like a year and just kind of built to see if I could build it was on the paper. My aromatherapy teacher saw it and wrote to me that I have to remove any reference to referring to myself as an aromatherapist from my site because I'm still a student and not allowed to advertise or profit from aromatherapy in any way until after I graduate.

I said - but I was doing aromatherapy for years (took my first class in 2011) before I joined your class - and why should I not be allowed to say that I am what I am? And the answer was basically that what I did before the school was not aromatherapy, and take it all down or get expelled - up to me.

I was so upset! It felt like being right back in the "only people in religion X go to heaven" dynamic... There is a VERY long shamanic history of aromatic oils and healing that I have felt connected to most of my life. This course was to get the clinical side of it for my education, but not because I think it's the ONLY way.

But I paid a lot of this and have already spent a year on it, so I cried and took it all down so I can stay in the school.

But I saw this as a larger gift to me... because I had started to identify too much with this course... and started to drift away again from who I am (the eternal question!). I will finish the course if I can, but I decided to also go ahead and do the pastoral counselling course I've wanted to do forever. Add it all up to what I'm doing now and go back to counselling as a form of service to my community.

I used to work as a "healer" for years (before I learned that for me, that's just an illusion, to see yourself as one who heals and all of that). I walked away from everything. Including the dowsing etc. And now, somehow through these posts and just things happening in my life, I'm seeing things come kind of full circle.

I can still be a counsellor, be of service to my community, but without the ego, without making it about ME and my "identity". It can just be something I do because I enjoy it but it doesn't have to define me.

Anyway, I really think the teacher who came after me was killed for witch craft in another life which is why she is so terrified of anyone "breaking rules" around herbal medicines.

In fact, I would not be surprised at all if I was burned at the stake for any number of things - and when I clicked the button on the pastoral counselling course - I had this flash of myself as an actual priest - but a female priest. And something about that really made me smile

I can't really explain how all of this is connected - it just somehow is! And thank you for having this conversation at all, as tangential as it has been, because somehow it just all had to happen.

Also, have you see the documentary on YouTube by Starhawk called "The Burning Times". That had a huge impact on me.

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Originally posted by Ceres_Moon:
OK.... now I understand something I didn't before... what we started to call "magic" at some point, for a long time it was just thought of as natural forces. And those natural forces were seen as inherently feminine in nature - also because women had periods and birthed children.

So the entire Patriarchy was birthed from vagina envy - and here they've been telling us all this time that we have penis envy! ha!

No really, that does clear it up for me - thank you. I wasn't understanding how we got from A to B on this one.


You are getting part of it wrong in a way.
You kind of understand it; but not quite;
so I shall try to clarify a few things.
Primitive men had issues with women, vaginas, and more....
However I doubt it was vagina envy.
More likely womb envy because they could not magically create life; ie; make/create more human beings.
It would have seemed to be some kind of mysterious, scary; even terrifying; kind of nature magic to their primitive minds.
That must have truly terrified and bewildered many men; and made them feel powerless compared to women.
So there they were feeling emasculated and just had to figure some way out to dominate these female "creatures".
Women and animals and even plants, and yes even the skies, could create/birth, or form something from themselves.
Man could not create life from himself by way of it being birthed directly from his body. Nor could he cause rain and snow and storms to come from the skies as the skies and air seem to give birth to such.
To create life; women must be like gods or some terrifying nature thing.
Or like animals to the men;
for them to control and dominate and "tame" and "cage" in various ways; be it in actuality, or by way of rules, clothing, customs the women had to obey or face punishments, tortures, and more, up to including death; by stoning, burning, beheading and more.

Contributing to the fears of the men:
add in that women bled from menstrual cycles and did not die.
The fact that the full moon was also linked to women's "bleeding" times; was another scary strange mysterious and even horrifying thing to ancient men; even up to the 19th. century.
and later in some societies, even in this day and age.
Patriarchy was the end result of the fear of primitive and foolish men who wanted some, or all the control over these strange scary forces at work in females and female bodies.
They had the perverse and irrational paranoid need to control what they could; because they did not understand it;
so that they might finally feel safe from the mysterious/magical blood and life powers of women.

So they contrived to control women in all sexual and reproductive ways.
Then they brainwashed other men into believing the insane reasons why women had to be controlled by men.
The men made up a male insane deity/god and or more male deities/gods, who they said told them how to treat and control females.
how convenient.

The men who usually felt this way; was because the women turned them on sexually.
So women, and even girls must have some kind of very potent sex magic, because why else would most men go crazy at times with lust for a woman or any woman, women, or even young girls"? It cannot be our fault reasoned the men;
it must be some evil magic coming from the females that drives men mad with lust.
It must be the fault of women!
(sadly in some countries as we have seen, it is not only women; but young girls, even toddlers, who are told they must wear burkas and veils and scarves and whatnot; so that men will not be driven mad by unbridled lust.
You know who I am peaking about."shudder)

It is rather unnerving to know that kind of primitive misogynistic thinking is still the rule in many societies.
by way of the men in in those societies still following devoutly and obeying; even in our modern times; the ancient patriarchal misogynistic laws of any one or more of the 3 Abrahamic patriarchal religions; Islam, Judaism,and Christianity.
Those kind of misogynistic men live in any country on this planet.
No country is exempt from such misogynistic thinking.

I hope that made sense.

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Originally posted by Ceres_Moon:
I feel like I've been on quite a journey the past 10 days or so. Granted there is a pretty major retrograde going on that has felt to me like a lot of very deep things have had the light of the full moon shone on them...

Then wait and see how the solar eclipse coming up affects things.
Moon and sun all at one! Might be esoterically interesting for many.
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEgoogle/SEgoogle2001/SE2017Aug21Tgoogle.html
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Originally posted by Ceres_Moon:

But this deeper understanding about the dowsing situation I was in, the deeper understanding of magic and history on earth as a woman.

So, after I got that speaking gig I mentioned before, I sent out a questionnaire because I'm trying to get 100 women and 100 children to answer the question what does magic mean to them?


Only women and children? No men or male children?
To only include females would bias your research and make you as guilty of such
biased behavior as the misogynistic men are. Yes, even females can succumb to such attitudes.
There is even a word for such.
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A misogynist is a person who hates women. A person who hates men can be described as a misandrist, and the corresponding noun is misandry.

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Originally posted by Ceres_Moon:

And a link to my website that I haven't touched in like a year and just kind of built to see if I could build it was on the paper. My aromatherapy teacher saw it and wrote to me that I have to remove any reference to referring to myself as an aromatherapist from my site because I'm still a student and not allowed to advertise or profit from aromatherapy in any way until after I graduate.

Sounds a lot like that Reiki Master I spoke about to Amonuet.
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I said - but I was doing aromatherapy for years (took my first class in 2011) before I joined your class - and why should I not be allowed to say that I am what I am? And the answer was basically that what I did before the school was not aromatherapy, and take it all down or get expelled - up to me.

Yeah...sounds just like that Reki master I had encountered.
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I was so upset! It felt like being right back in the "only people in religion X go to heaven" dynamic... There is a VERY long shamanic history of aromatic oils and healing that I have felt connected to most of my life. This course was to get the clinical side of it for my education, but not because I think it's the ONLY way.

But I paid a lot of this and have already spent a year on it, so I cried and took it all down so I can stay in the school.


I don' think I could have done that.
I would of course not went to school for such, nor for any of the others skill of the esoteric variety that I possess.
Yeah; it means I have not nor ever will make money from any of it.
But at least I retain my honor and nothing stops me from any of it; I simply do not get paid for it.
I can understand though how you woud choose to do so.
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But I saw this as a larger gift to me... because I had started to identify too much with this course... and started to drift away again from who I am (the eternal question!). I will finish the course if I can, but I decided to also go ahead and do the pastoral counselling course I've wanted to do forever. Add it all up to what I'm doing now and go back to counselling as a form of service to my community.

Then there you have it. A rational well thought out validation for finishing the course despite why occurred betwixt you and the teacher. A gift as you call it.
HHmmmm...gift...now that is an interesting choice of words.
hen I was working on Lexigramming TensionEmpire's name.....
I learned that the German word for POISON is GIFT. Freaky!
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Originally posted by Ceres_Moon:

I used to work as a "healer" for years (before I learned that for me, that's just an illusion, to see yourself as one who heals and all of that). I walked away from everything. Including the dowsing etc. And now, somehow through these posts and just things happening in my life, I'm seeing things come kind of full circle.

That is a good sign/omen.
I see that as being; you knew what you could do, wanted to do, and did.
However some deeper part of your "knew" somehow; that it was "not the right time"; so you backed away from it all.
Wise move.
Now as you are coming full circle; the right time approaches every so smoothly, gently, flowing,
When such a time is right for anyone;
it will not feel forced or cause any apprehension.
It will instead simply happen;
It happens without you having to; or having a need to try and catch up to it,
or feel the need to grab it at any and all costs.
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I can still be a counsellor, be of service to my community, but without the ego, without making it about ME and my "identity". It can just be something I do because I enjoy it but it doesn't have to define me.

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Anyway, I really think the teacher who came after me was killed for witch craft in another life which is why she is so terrified of anyone "breaking rules" around herbal medicines.

It is possible. Or she might simply only have an over inflated ego issue.
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Originally posted by Ceres_Moon:

In fact, I would not be surprised at all if I was burned at the stake for any number of things - and when I clicked the button on the pastoral counselling course - I had this flash of myself as an actual priest - but a female priest. And something about that really made me smile

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Originally posted by Ceres_Moon:

I can't really explain how all of this is connected - it just somehow is! And thank you for having this conversation at all, as tangential as it has been, because somehow it just all had to happen.

One need not explain or understand having a sense of "knowing" something resonates to us on deeper and even unconscious instinctive/intuitive soul levels.
And thank you for the appreciation of my contribution to your evolution of self and self awareness.
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Also, have you see the documentary on YouTube by Starhawk called "The Burning Times". That had a huge impact on me.


Yes; assuming that you mean this:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Burning_Times

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Lots to think about. I will do so. Thank you

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You're welcome!

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