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aerialcircus
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posted June 30, 2009 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aerialcircus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yet another wordy AerialCircus post!

So I got a neat little hand-bound book from a new age store in town about it, and so I've been reading up a lot on the Vertex/Anti-Vertex axis. Like the Asc/Desc and Moon nodes, they lie across a pole- if you're Vertex is in 10 degrees Libra, you're anti-Vertex will be in 10 degrees Aries, etc.

The Vertex axis is used primarily in synastry & w/ transits to pinpoint the people and situations that will have an inevitably profound effect on us or will otherwise be instrumental in opening new avenues of perception to us.

Vertex stimulation is not necessarily an indication of happily ever after, though- sometimes, but not usually. Deepest wishes and hopes will seem to come true, only to be fulfilled in ways we don't expect. When the electric axis is activated, we DO get what we dream of, but it's likely it will come along with suffering, sacrifice or potential tragedy-- particularly in the realm of personal relationships.

This is my case in point (and this one was a DOOOOOOZY)

This individual and I have double wammy Psyche/Vertex conjunctions; his Psyche (soul) tightly conjunct my Vertex in Scorpio and my Psyche tightly conjunct his Vertex in Virgo.

He appeared in my life randomly, by complete chance- we met while stopped next to each other at a stop light. To the letter, he seemed to be everything I had dreamed about in a partner. I was amazed he took an interest in me at all. The relationship at first seemed to be everything I had dreamed a partnership could be (remember, Vertex is all about wish fulfillment). He was affectionate and romantic, buying me odd little presents and showering me with compliments. We spent all of our time together, and he took me on all sorts of Sag stellium adventures, exposing me to all sorts of new and exciting things I'd never experienced before. Of course, I mythologized him almost immediately.

But Vertex is tricky, and reared it's head quickly- things began to sour without warning. This individual seemed to turn on me suddenly, withholding affection, making cruel comments about my appearance and constantly breaking his promises to me. Our relationship seemed to morph from a waking dream to a living nightmare overnight. It's possibly that he may have been sleeping with another woman, whom he would later leave me for. It took me years, literally, to fully recover. I held a serious torch for this dude for way, way longer than my Cap moon is ever going to admit.

Although the relationship itself was damaging, and the ensuing infatuation I carried with me afterward possibly even moreso, my life was profoundly changed through him in many ways. The most important of these was that through him I was introduced to a group of people who would end up being monumentally important in my life, future roommates, dear friends and soon to be lovers. The outside connections I had made through our relationship enabled me to move forward in ways I couldn't have dreamed at the time. Virtually every important (non-family) connection I have in my life at the moment can somehow be traced back to this individual and the experiences I had during our intense Psyche/Vertex relationship.

Have any of you experienced a significant Vertex relationships? How did it change you?

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Lucia23
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posted June 30, 2009 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Vertex is in my 7th house, right at the cusp of my 8th, so I'm really surprised I haven't experienced any relationships where Vertex DWs were a key player.

I guess I don't really understand what Vertex or Anti-Vertex mean...with someone I'm attracted to now, we have:
-His Vertex conjunct my Chiron
-His Anti-Vertex conjunct my Uranus
-His Vertex conjunct my IC
-His Anti-Vertex conjunct my Lust
Maybe it means the relationship will teach me about healing in unpredictable ways? (Or, maybe it'll teach me about pain in unpredictable ways.)

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posted June 30, 2009 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aerialcircus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So far, this is the most comprehensive Vertex page I've found: http://www.falconastrology.com/vertex.htm

My gut reaction about Chiron/Vertex is positive, actually. If Chiron is supposed to represent your deepest wound (the one that you can't heal on your own, but can tap into in order to heal others in the same boat) any transformation surrounding it would have to be at least kind of positive, right? Maybe your experience with him will change the way you approach pain in general?

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posted July 01, 2009 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vertex seems to be the point that would give the sudden fate feeling, yet I'm not sure if it can be more than this. But is the opposition to the Vertex (conjunction to anti-Vertex) a bad thing? ?_? What about squares?

My bf's Psyche conjunct my Vertex too (240'). As well as his Uranus (131'), and his Moon squares my Vertex (244'). I was also surprised by his feelings for me back then, and we've started rather fast. ^_^;
Also, his Vertex is squared by my Uranus (012'), and conjunct my PoF (258') and my Lust (31').
In the draconic synastry, his draco Vertex conjunct my draco Pomona (011') lol.


I wonder if any Vertex conjunction/square/opposition with Venus/Moon/love asteroids can indicate that sudden romantic feelings of the Venus/Moon/asteroid person would kind of shock the Vertex person; yet while in the conjunction cases the feelings are expressed, in the squares/oppositions, it might not really shown or bear any fruit in the end (either kind of unrequited, or the romance goes wrong?). Anyone had any of these aspects and want to share experiences?

Also, anyone also has any Vertex/Pomona aspects in the synastry (tropical or draconic)? I've just noticed the conjunction aspect in either draconic or tropical synastry in other 3 more cases, so I wonder if anyone else has this.

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posted July 01, 2009 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pomona is particularly associated with the blossoming of trees versus the harvest.

seems Pomona brings in spring fever to the relationship, a lovey-dovey flavour to it

guy 1: his Pomona conj my Chiron (0), my Pomona sextile his Neptune/Jupiter >> there were no lovey-dovey feelings about each other though!

guy 2: his Pomona sextile my Venus (1) conj my Jupiter (3), my Pomona conj his Karma (2) and loosely conj his Venus (5)

guy 3: his Pomona sextile my Venus (0), my Pomona conj his Pluto (0)

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posted July 01, 2009 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aw I've just noticed that in the day me and my bf met for the first time:

- transit Pomona conjuncts his Vertex (157');
- transit Psyche squares his Vertex (<1);

- transit Sun conjunct my Vertex (<2);
- transit Uranus squares my Vertex (<3);

And when we started:

- transit Moon conjuncts his Vertex (304');

- transit Uranus squares my Vertex (<3);
- transit Psyche opposes my Vertex (3);
- transit Karma conjuncts my Vertex (<3).


*edited* this is off-topic, but.. omg didn't realize there are so many meaningful aspects when we met/started, specially to the asteroids (there are many other aspects I didn't list here, as I just listed the Vertex ones here)!

It's interesting how transits can have enough stuffs fitting two charts at the same time - so that it could give meaningful transit aspects to two charts at the same time!

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posted July 17, 2009 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amphitrite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anybody know what a vertex conjunct DC double whammy might mean in synastry? I really like this guy, although im not really sure in what way, but the relationship does feel fated. Also when we met the transiting north node was conjunct my natal vertex and his DC.

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posted July 18, 2009 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Amphitrite, Vertex seems to be the axis that points out to events that feels fated. So anything that touches your vertex would make you feel that it's fated. And I would indeed think that any tight conjunction between the axis angles would seem fated, since it requires a great timing for that to happen (and the angles are what moves fastest). But on the other hand, it isn't necessarily a guarantee for the romantic attraction. This would need some romantic aspects in the chart involved (try to look for the aspects between asteroids Union/Amor/Valentine/Cupido/Aphrodite/Lust/Eros/Psyche).

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posted July 18, 2009 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amphitrite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey comica23, thanks for your insight

I had at look at the asteroids and this is what I have come up with.

amor conjunct amor
my juno conjunct his psyche
my eros conjunct his moon
my pallas conjunct his venus
my mars conjunct his valentine
my north node conjunct his lust
my eros conjunct his MC
my valentine conjunct his DC
my venus conjunct his psyche
my lust conjunct his karma
my karma conjunct his lilith

Other aspects include:
his sun conjunct my AC
my NN conjunct his sun
my NN conjunct his moon
my NN conjunct his mercury
his venus conjunct my anti-vertex
IC conjunct IC
his jupiter conjunct my DC

Also in our composite chart we have venus conjunct pluto.

This relationship seems to be pulling me in, but into what exactly I have no idea. I can't stop thinking about it.

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posted July 18, 2009 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Amphitrite, if you're using a fairly narrow orb for the asteroids, to me it looks like there's a LOT of potential for intense romantic and sexual attraction in the relationship you're describing.

Especially if there is balanced synastry in the house overlays and between the personal planets, this might be a really exciting affair and/or long-term relationship.

The fact that you feel drawn in, yet perplexed sounds karmic to me--there's some deeper connection/reason for this relationship. Check out your asteroids Karma and Union at a narrow orb...that could tell you more about how and where you'll experience that karmic pull.

EDITED: Duh, I just noticed you listed some Karma stuff. Any Karma conjunctions to the personal planets?

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posted July 19, 2009 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amphitrite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
amor conjunct amor (2)
my juno conjunct his psyche (0)
my eros conjunct his moon (2)
my pallas conjunct his venus (0)
my mars conjunct his valentine (0)
my north node conjunct his lust (1)
my eros conjunct his MC (2)
my valentine conjunct his DC (5)
my venus conjunct his psyche (4)
my lust conjunct his karma (1)
my karma conjunct his lilith (1)

I think the orbs are reasonably narrow for most of the aspects.

As far as karma and personal planets goes, the only thing is my karma is opposite his saturn (2).

How bigger role do you think the arabic parts play? I had a brief look and we have:

his moon conjunct my part of fascination (4)
his moon conjunct my part of karma (2)
His part of fortune conjunct my part of fortune (4)
his part of fascination conjunct my part of fascination (4)
his fascination conjunct my part of lovers (2)
his part of karma conjunct my NN (3)
his part of karma conjunct my part of fascination (2)
his part of karma conjunct my part of karma (0)

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posted July 19, 2009 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
odd! my draconic pomona is exactly conjunct his draconic pomona. i've never heard of this asteroid before. anyone have any more info on it or have a feeling about what this means?

interesting vertex story aerialcircus! i've not researched the vertex much but to me that seems to be what the vertex is ABOUT rather than forever-boundness, though like i said i don't know much about it.

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posted July 19, 2009 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Amph, I know nothing re: Arabic Parts, and would like to learn. I started a thread in the Astrology 2.0 forum--I'd love to hear your thoughts/insights there.

In terms of your relationship, do you feel a lot of sexual attraction to him? Is it mutual? What is confusing about the nature of the relationship?

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posted July 19, 2009 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aerialcircus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, WC, that's my impression of vertex as well. Like any strong pull/shock/etc, there's potential for it to open up to more (with the totality of the synastry taken into consideration), but Vertex/Anti-Vertex on it's own is more about feeling strongly that something/someone is EXACTLY RIGHT!!!! and then having it typically not turn out the way you imagined. Still transformational and probably beneficial in the long run, but not in the absolutely perfect way you imagine at first.

The book I have talks a lot about this axis being about wish fulfillment in a "be careful what you wish for" way. Kind of like that old fable about the monkey's paw, where every wish the man makes comes true but in very literal and often skewed ways.

The book (it's just a little hand-bound home made thing) also calls Vertex/Anti-Vertex "The Electric Axis," and sometimes electricity can shock you back to life but it could just as easy kill you, heh heh. The explanation it gives for the polarity is that the Anti-Vertex is "cause," while the Vertex is "effect." So Anti-Vertex leads to transformation instigated by the self, while Vertex leads to transformation at the hands of another/others, maybe? It's not totally clear to me, and I've read it over and over a hundred times.

On a non-romanticle note, my best friend (who is more like a sister to me) has her Sun 0 orb conjunct my Anti-Vertex and her Moon also (thought slightly more loosely) conjunct my Vertex. To say that we've totally transformed our lives with our friendship would be an understatement. She was certainly the answer to a lot of my prayers, as far as confidants and companions go. Maybe Vertex is easier to handle when sex isn't involved? Maybe LIFE is easier to handle when sex isn't involved?

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posted July 19, 2009 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Maybe LIFE is easier to handle when sex isn't involved?

Actually life SUCKS when sex isn't involved. (Or maybe that wasn't quite the question, lol. Time for Jazzercize!)

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posted July 19, 2009 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aerialcircus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ARRRRRGHHHH AGREED.

There just isn't enough time in the day for me to do ALL the jazzercise I need to un-frustrate myself. I seriously fear for the next man who sleeps with me's life at this point! I might get all praying mantis on him and end up accidentally eating his brain.

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posted July 20, 2009 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
an old vertex story
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/003323.html

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posted August 17, 2009 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/003562.html

Basically, we have DW ASC/Vertex conjunctions and MC/IC conjunctions, AND Moon/Mars aspects. He comes into my life whenever I'm dating someone that I shouldn't be dating... or at least that's what I gather. He's been the cause of 2 break ups so far in my life. He'll pursue and pursue me if I have a boyfriend, but he'll stop being interested once I'm single. So we'll never be together. Also he's moving to Finland for at least a year in 2 weeks.

He's not that conventionally attractive, but there's just something about him that's irresistable to me. Also the sex is great. But we fight constantly.

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posted August 18, 2009 08:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Strong vertex ties with my current boyfriend.
His is conjunct my ASC. My Vertex (and Jupiter) are conjunct his Venus (and makes a wide conjunction to his ASC) So, our vertexes are in the others first house and the anti-vertex in the others 7th house.
And we have a Vertex trine NN double whammy.

Certainly the most shocking relationship of my life to date, as I have literally had to re-write what it means to be "me" and how I relate to someone in a relationship. I fell in love at 17 and it hurt me so much I didn't repeat the exercise until I met this one, and went out with people who I was not all that passionate about. But I wanted to be with him so badly that I was prepared to endure any potential hurt, and it has revolutionised my outlook on life.

Sorry about the size of this. The orbs are reduced 50%.

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posted August 18, 2009 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunsetgirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, this is very interesting.

But, my vertex is conjunct my own sun and descendant and opposite my ascendant.

seriously, 0 libra rising, sun 1 aries, vertex 1 aries.

I looked back on relationships and no one has anything near these degrees except my dad who has Jupiter at 0 aries and someone I first met 30 years ago who I recently reconnected with who has mars at 0 libra.

So does this mean I will have a profound, fated relationship with myself?

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