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fayte.m
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posted March 29, 2007 09:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BlueRoamer & HSC.....


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~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
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Johnny
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posted March 29, 2007 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I definitely understand where you're coming from, HSC. And BlueRoamer. The world is often a very bad place, and it seems ludicrous to say that the evil that goes on is a result of people forgetting their true natures.

Someone (I forget who) told me once that everyone is only doing the best they can from where they're at. The more I think of this, the more I believe that it's true.

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Why escape into more exciting darkness?
Does that sound like the act of a wise soul?

Maybe experiencing pain, loss, grief, etc., and then overcoming them is a requisite for growth.

I dunno. But I liked the story.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 29, 2007 10:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lotus,

When Rumi met Shams, Shams asked him, "who was greater, the saint Baizid or the Prophet?"

Rumi responded "The prophet. Bâizid's thirst was quenched by one drop, and he boasted of satisfaction, because the vessel of his intellect was filled thereby. That light was as much as the little window of his house could admit, whilst Muhammad was subject to a great dropsy and thirst,—he was daily praying for closer intimacy."

As the Sufis say "increase your need and ever increase your thirst,".

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lotusheartone
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posted March 29, 2007 10:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would agree, that we want to increase, our experience, so, after 1000's and 1000's of years in Soul form, what would you do?

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 29, 2007 10:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Johnny,

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Someone (I forget who) told me once that everyone is only doing the best they can from where they're at. The more I think of this, the more I believe that it's true.

It is a truth.
But be careful with it.
We all do our best at any given time.
But, as the poet has it,
"The times, they are a' changing,".


"As I know more of mankind I expect less of them, and am ready now to call a man a good man upon easier terms than I was formerly."

- Samuel Johnson


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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 29, 2007 10:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good question, lotus.

I don't know.

I suppose I might choose to be in a Holocaust.

Maybe I might choose to go on being b---o---r---e---d.

Either way,
it would not be a free choice and a beautiful thing.

It would be a sh!tty choice to have to make.

I suppose anyone would choose the Holocaust,
after millions of years of disembodied thumb-twiddling in a lotus position.

So, is that the choice we get, lotus?

Vacant emptiness or holocausts?

"A new prison is better than an old one."
- Franz Kafka

Oh, what a glorious wheel!!


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lotusheartone
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posted March 29, 2007 10:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, before this beautiful string gets ruined...

each new beginning is Paradise, it is our ego, greed, and power, that causes karma, that ruins it. ...

LOts of LOve to ALL... .

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 29, 2007 10:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi fayte!

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Johnny
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posted March 29, 2007 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
It is a truth.
But be careful with it.

Oh, definitely. I've certainly known people who have built some nasty delusions around a little bit of truth, so I'll step lightly.

What I meant was, if people are generally doing the best they know how, and are not trying to create evils, doesn't that mean that humanity, if not inherently *good*, is at least inherently *trying* to be good?

Figuratively, you could say that darkness *is* then just the absence of light.

It's like they say - the road to hell is paved with good intentions. The problem is ignorance, rather than some inherent evil.

That was my take on the story, anyway. I agree with you; eternal boredom or a holocaust is a sh*ty choice to have to make. But maybe that's only what the choice looks like to us here, in the holocaust. Perhaps if we had more perspective, we would see it as an opportunity for growth and glory. There's no glory without a struggle, after all.

Or maybe life is just a worthless experience that ends in death. Either is a possibility.


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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 29, 2007 10:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nobody is "ruining" the thread, lotus.

We're all angels, remember?

And we are only disagreeing with you.

I thought you wanted this learning experience.

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lotusheartone
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posted March 29, 2007 10:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I LOve all, I want to treat all with reverence, and respect...and yes, I LOve the experience...

I'm not sure, what you are trying to do, though?

It seems, you are trying to get a re-action from me, well, I already know, what has been shone to me, So, I am just trying to share that!

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Randall
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posted March 30, 2007 03:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought it was commonly accepted among those of us in the New Age line of reasoning that much of our problems were the result of forgetting our true nature and that we all are One. Most of you sound like secular humanists, although you do have the right to believe whatever you want. As for me, I tend to agree with Linda on most matters.

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"There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll

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posted March 30, 2007 04:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for this story, Randall!

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ALeonine
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Amazing story Randall..


Thanks


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posted March 30, 2007 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh heck, don't be careful with anything! Be reckless! Have fun! Enjoy your theories, your sophisms, your musings...engage your brains, your hearts, your souls (however little ). Don't be afraid to be wrong...or right. You are always both, are you not? Ergo...nothing to fear.

Philosophy is fashion!

HSC, I just love your posts. You always give me food for thought, whether I agree with you or not. You are an interesting and intelligent man with the rare ability to be both objective and subjective.

Now, about this pretty little parable...you noted that Little Soul seemed to be ignorant of what its fate might be, but consent/choice/decision was implied when the Second Soul suggested "We'll think of something."

But HSC, don't I recall you arguing that we are not free in another thread? (Simply a rhetorical question. Neither you nor I have the complete answer to that conundrum; only more theories. Riddle me this, Batman...)

"We're One, but we're not the Same."
--Bono

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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Q: It is my understanding that we create our own reality. If this is true why do we continually choose hardship instead of joy lifetime after lifetime?

A: It is not a matter of choice as much as it is a matter of conditioning. Old patterns are familiar and create the illusion of comfort.

The Council of the East Star
http://www.sayahda.com/wle.html

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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"One of the strongest needs of the soul is for community, but community from the soul point of view is a little different from its social forms. Soul yearns for attachment, for variety in personality, for intimacy and particularity. So it is these qualities in community that the soul seeks out, and not like-mindedness and uniformity."

- Thomas Moore

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Hexxie
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posted April 03, 2007 04:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Don't take life too seriously. You'll never get out of it alive."
-- Elbert Hubbard


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`Who are you?' said the Caterpillar. This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.'
~Lewis Carroll

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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Take life seriously enough,
and one of three things will happen:
You'll go mad
You'll burn out
You'll become a saint

It is not an easy life,
to care so deeply for the truth.
But, for some of us,
it is the only life worth living at all.

It's a dirty job,
but somebody has to do it.


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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted April 03, 2007 09:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Thing we tell of can never be found by seeking,
yet only seekers find it.

- Bayazid Bistami (Essential Sufism)

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lotusheartone
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posted July 19, 2007 04:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dreamt of this String last night!

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Twinkle Stars
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I don't like using the word god. How do we know there is one?

How do we know there isn't a goddess?

How do we know these books and works aren't all lies?

How can we believe something if we have not seen it in person?

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lotusheartone
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posted July 19, 2007 10:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When you know God, you will know, that it is MOther and Father God, the 2 in 1...

and no one can prove this, you must find out for yourSelf, and then you will just know...

If the word God bothers you, use..
The Force..

And May, The Force be with you ALL. ...

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aqua inferno
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posted July 21, 2007 05:40 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's beautiful!!

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