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Do not assume who appears as evil is evil. Nor who appears as innocent is innocent.
Firstly I believe hell in the traditional mythos is just that...a mythos.
To continue:
Hitler for example. I am not going to reveal what exactly my research has revealed but I will give out some theories and hypotheticals for you and others to take into consideration.
Ok..
Hitler had it in for the Jews. WHAT IF....
He was of the various peoples the early Jews murdered, raped and pillaged in the long past? Then when the time came, this sickly artist suddenly reached the age he or she was when atrocities were done to his or her family, village, city or society...and there was finally an opportunity for vengence.
Yes the Jews were theoritically innocent in Hitler's time, but not so in the past. These folks shortly after being told "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" went forth and murdered thousands of folks. I did not write that. It is clearly in the old Testament. They also sacrificed their own children, and collected foreskins as war trophies and dowry payments.
For these heinous crimes against their fellow humans, read this please and then tell me if perhaps Hitler was one of the folks in a past life or lives, who was murdered or tortured by the ancient Jews. They were conquerors taking what they saw because they thought their Lord god was giving it to them. The accumulated horrors they inflicted upon fellow humans was as bad or worse than what Hitler did.
Please see: http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible3.htm
For such Atrocities as these in gory detail.
Babylon is fallen
David slaughters them
Decapitate them!
Gideon slaughters
God buries them alive
God kills the firstborns!
God sends pestilence
God slaughters blacks
God's threat to kill
Godly head wounds
Godly mass murder
Kill all unbelievers
Kill man, woman, infant
King David's holocaust
Moses' mass murder
Nail his head!
Raping and killing
Shed the blood
Slaughter of innocents
Slay old and young
Stone the woman!
The survivors
Utter destruction, 1
Utter destruction, 2
Washing feet in blood http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/DarkBibleContents.htm To continue:
The story of the two women fighting over the baby in King Solomon's day.
Two women, who were living in the same house, each had a child at about the same time. One of the infants died. The conflict began after the woman who lost her baby switched her dead infant with the living infant of the other woman. Both were harlots, there was no father to help make an identification, so the matter was brought before Solomon. What to do? There were no modern-day fingerprints (or footprints) or photographs available; all that Solomon had to work with was human nature. So, Solomon resorted to a ruse with sword that had the effect of revealing the truth.
quote:Then came there two women, that were harlots, unto the king, and stood before him. And the one woman said, O my lord, I and this woman dwell in one house; and I was delivered of a child with her in the house. And it came to pass the third day after that I was delivered, that this woman was delivered also: and we were together; there was no stranger with us in the house, save we two in the house."
"And this woman's child died in the night; because she overlaid it. And she arose at midnight, and took my son from beside me, while thine handmaid slept, and laid it in her bosom, and laid her dead child in my bosom. And when I rose in the morning to give my child suck, behold, it was dead: but when I had considered it in the morning, behold, it was not my son, which I did bear."
"And the other woman said, Nay; but the living is my son, and the dead is thy son. And this said, No; but the dead is thy son, and the living is my son. Thus they spake before the king."
"Then said the king, The one saith, This is my son that liveth, and thy son is the dead: and the other saith, Nay; but thy son is the dead, and my son is the living."
"And the king said, Bring me a sword. And they brought a sword before the king. And the king said, Divide the living child in two, and give half to the one, and half to the other."
"Then spake the woman whose the living child was unto the king, for her bowels yearned upon her son, and she said, O my lord, give her the living child, and in no wise slay it. But the other said, Let it be neither mine nor thine, but divide it."
"Then the king answered and said, Give her the living child, and in no wise slay it: she is the mother thereof."
"And all Israel heard of the judgment which the king had judged; and they feared the king: for they saw that the wisdom of God was in him, to do judgment." (1 Kings 3:16-28 KJV)
Now I submit to you another theory/hypothetical:
Could any of these modern tragedies involve possibly those same two women of Solomon's time, repeating their fight over a baby?
quote:Baby found alive; woman arrested
Saturday, December 18, 2004 Posted: 3:14 PM EST (2014 GMT)
(CNN) -- Authorities late Friday said a Kansas woman who had a miscarriage earlier this year confessed to strangling a pregnant Missouri woman in her home and then cutting the baby from her womb -- a crime the local sheriff described as the most gruesome he had ever seen.
Lisa Montgomery, 36, of Melvern, Kansas, was arrested and charged in the kidnapping of the child "resulting in the death of the infant's mother" Bobbie Jo Stinnett, 23, according to an FBI affidavit filed late Friday.
If convicted, Montgomery could face a maximum of life in prison or the death penalty, and a maximum $250,000 fine.
The infant girl has been recovered and was in good condition at Stormont-Vail Regional Medical Center in Topeka.
The girl's father was reunited with her Friday evening, authorities said. She was the couple's first child.
"The baby is fine. The baby is doing great," U.S. Attorney Todd Graves said.
Stinnett was found dead in a pool of blood in her home Thursday afternoon by her mother, who called 911 saying it looked "as though her daughter's stomach had exploded," according to the affidavit.
Crime scene investigators later determined her womb had been cut laterally, the baby removed and the umbilical cord cut, the affidavit said.
"The victim was found with blond hair clenched in her hands," the affidavit says.
Town in shock
The crime shocked Skidmore, a town of about 300 people, with some residents shuttering their doors, saying they no longer felt safe.
"It's very hard for me to accept this," Nodaway County Sheriff Ben Espey told reporters. "Nobody here could ever perceive this taking place -- to have a fetus taken out of someone's womb and then doing an Amber Alert to try to find a child."
The affidavit paints a picture of deceit and premeditation on the part of Montgomery.
It alleges that the woman, using a fictitious name, contacted Stinnett on Wednesday through an Internet chat room about looking at rat terriers the Stinnetts sold over the Internet.
The two agreed to meet Thursday at Stinnett's home. Then, on Thursday afternoon, a neighbor reported seeing a dirty, red pinkish, two-door vehicle -- most likely an import -- outside the Stinnett home.
With a search under way on the ground, computer investigators began talking with Internet providers and were able to trace the fictitious e-mailer to the Montgomery's home, more than 130 miles away.
Authorities immediately began surveillance of the home and saw Montgomery Friday with a "newborn female infant," according to the affidavit
They also noticed a vehicle matching the description of the one seen outside the Stinnett's home. It alleges that the suspect's husband, Kevin, told authorities his wife called him shortly after he arrived home from work Thursday, around 5:15 p.m., saying she had gone shopping in Topeka, went into labor and had a baby.
The husband and the couple's two high-school age children drove to Topeka and met Montgomery in the parking lot of a Long John Silver's restaurant. He, his wife and the child drove home in his pickup truck, and the older children drove his wife's car, a red Toyota Corolla, the affidavit alleges.
Montgomery told her husband the baby was born at a women's clinic in Topeka, but authorities said a subsequent check there revealed no babies were born there Thursday.
Once in custody, the affidavit alleges, Montgomery "confessed to having strangled Stinnett and removing the fetus. Lisa Montgomery further admitted the baby she had was Stinnett's baby and that she had lied to her husband about giving birth to a child."
Espey and Graves said Montgomery had a miscarriage at some point this year, although they would not say how recently it occurred.
Espey told CNN the pregnancy was six months along when the child was lost. Of the possible motive in this case, Espey said, "I think she was probably going to take it because she had lost one through a miscarriage at about six months."
Authorities expressed great relief that the child was recovered alive, and attributed that success to the Amber Alert system.
Authorities learned of the Internet chat room where Montgomery allegedly made contact with Stinnett from a tipster in North Carolina. "We may have not ever recovered this little baby if the Amber Alert system was not put into place," Espey told reporters. "I'm overwhelmed with the fact that we're going to be able to get this baby back."
Sgt. Sheldon Lyon, a spokesman with the Missouri State Highway Patrol, said, "This is a great day for law enforcement in northwest Missouri."
The Internet chat room "Ratter Chatter," a haven for rat terrier lovers in cyberspace, was overwhelmed with responses from its users, many of whom indicated they knew both the victim and suspect in the case.
"I cannot believe how sorrowful I am. They have taken Lisa into custody. I don't know what is worse -- the horrible crime -- or the possibility that it might be Lisa. Someone just shoot me," wrote one user by the name of Jill.
Another user named Teresa wrote, "I am sitting here in shock, not knowing how to break this. I just received a phone call from a reporter in Missouri saying that Bobbie was killed today and her fetus stolen! I am absolutely horrified!"
Skidmore was the subject of intense media attention in 1981, when town bully Ken Rex McElroy was shot to death in his pickup on the main street in front of more than 40 witnesses. Despite a lengthy investigation, none of the witnesses would identify the killer.
There are other similar cases:
DA: Woman tried to cut baby from neighbor
Friday, October 14, 2005; Posted: 9:51 a.m. EDT (13:51 GMT)
CNN) -- A Pennsylvania woman beat her eight-month pregnant neighbor with a baseball bat before taking her to a remote area and trying to cut out her unborn baby, a district attorney said Thursday.
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So who are the victims and who are the murderers?
When past lives are added into the equation the reasons for certain horrific actions change...at least in theory.
Oh yes, the victim indeed can be innocent, no past life reason for them to suffer thusly, as in children, I especially feel they are innocent victims. Karmic justice only works if the victim is old enough to understand. A child is not. And I feel adult victims can be innocent of past life crimes. The ones who hurt or kill them just pick at random and for no other reason. So even with Karmic debts and reincarnation taken into account, it is not a case of simple black and white.
So before judging any human as inherently damned or evil or even an innocent victim...look at what may be the Karmic factors at work.
The exceptions I feel are most commonly children or young folks. Though some adults who are victims may be simply random targets.
Just some theories and hypotheticals to consider.
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