posted October 18, 2003 12:01 PM              

I think you can just be honest and say what you feel. You are being asked your interpretation/observation and for insight. What you have just explained above shows great insight. People make choices and they can choose to listen to you or not. Also, I just feel it's important to be honest, especially when you think someone is in a bad situation.

This is not a downfall of yours! Quite the contrary-this shows you care enough not to ignore potentially harmful signs just to give an astrological reading.

posted October 18, 2003 12:32 PM              

The fact that they seek out advice is an indication that they sense how lost they've become. A soul-less person wouldn't be seeking anything, except for gratification. So, there's no need to be scathing and hurtful. Just matter-of-factly express the obvious to them, and try to temper it with the tolerance that can only come from understanding that we are all at different stages of esoteric evolution. Some have many many miles to go, some are much closer to the finish line. Those who are further ahead know that they must lead the ones further back, because in doing so, both parties are aided in their quest.

When someone asks for advice about a family member or loved one who is apparently a dark spirit, what you do is for the benefit of the family member who is asking and not the unsavory person. In that case they may benefit from being advised to let go, and maybe just try to lesson the guilt they will undoubtedly feel about doing that. Especially if it is their son or daughter.

posted October 18, 2003 11:16 PM              

I tend to swim along a different vein in that every situation is unique. My job interpreting is to give service, and I always get to choose how, when, and with whom. There has never been a situation where I felt morally impinged.

I also believe, the Universe is bigger than all of us. That there is purpose, and astrology supports the theory that there is a Creator. Regardless of what anyone within a client-healer relationship does or says, there is always a higher truth that looks out for the best interest of everyone.

Karma and love do not follow human logic and the Universe knows this, as the lOve rules supreme no matter what people choose to do.

Closely examine intent, and always guide with a loving hand.

Love,

posted October 19, 2003 03:04 PM            

Yes, you are in a difficult position, but I think you are right on track regarding your decisions to do some charts and not others if you feel it is against your moral code.

I always tend to feel a bit guilty being in a relationship even though my divorce is not yet final and he is in the middle stages of his divorce. We met when we were both seperated, but my divorce didn't involve extensive land issues or a child, which is why it will be final faster. I know that we were not cause of each others divorce, but being a Sag, I guess I always wonder about that. We even broke up for a while to make sure we hadn't influenced each other.

Anyway, it is always a hard choice when it comes to people charts where they may hear something negative. I know that I usually stress that knowing these things makes it easier to accept them and deal with them. It is the difficult aspects that make us stronger if we can understand them.

Good luck with your decisions and you have lots of support here!!!!

posted October 19, 2003 03:51 PM            

As Aphrodite stated, finding the intent of the seeker would help answer the dilemna.

I know when asking for answers, I want the naked truth, yet I know many want only the good answers. Thats a tough one and perhaps the key is again the intent?

Much love & hoping you find your answers!

posted October 19, 2003 05:26 PM            

I've always said I don't have morals, I have ethics. And you touched on one of the few things I have true ethical problems with: an adult in a sexual relationship with a virtual child. That breaks too many laws, on many levels, and that is something I would feel very strongly about, and act upon.

As Aphrodite said, you have the right not to read charts/people you are uncomfortable with. But, if I may be biblical again, "to every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven." I take that as one of the few literal truths that exists--all things have purpose, proven by their very existance, whether we can see it or not.

If an astrologer had been able to read the chart of the young Adolf Hitler, what would she have seen? Surely, there were heavy Saturn influences, including its position in the tenth house...but, would she have seen a child who would grow into one of the world's most hated and despised dictators? And should she forworn him and his family of this potential fate? And as further food for thought, surely there were thousands of other children born at the same moment in time, who may have had their own problems in life, but who did not go on to become tortureres and murderers.

But if you could go back in time and change the course of that history, would you do it? I know that more questions don't answer your original queries, but I think perhaps, you will have to decide these things on a case by case basis.

Astrologers, IMO, also have a psychic gift that enables them to process, understand and interpret a chart. And these gifts come with their responsibilities. If you feel there are 'negative' influences at work, and someone has come seeking your help, then I tend to agree that you can help them by being honest, though tact can often soften the blow, so to speak.

Personally, I always prefer hard truths to cold lies.

posted October 19, 2003 06:07 PM              

Secrets always make us sick, there is nothing healthy about self criticism, the truth is the opposite of a secret and we have to fight to be free. We have to walk a line everyday to justify our relationships, but we have to talk to others to feel worth living, it's a fine line between despair and hope. I do not want anyone to criticize themselves before speaking.

Negative words can have an affect, I do not know why anyone would use another word for the human body, such as "It" instead of our sexual organs, or another word with negative connations. I will only use anatomically correct words because I feel that slang has been overused to make us feel unsexy and dirty and used.

We need to feel whole again, and find innocence. Innocence is like a flock of little birds, they are hard to find and after a few minutes fly away. We are always looking, it's what makes life worth living, the constant discovery, the searching.

It's part of all of us, and some of us are in despair of ever finding that feeling again. Finding new ways to trust and love others is the only way to be happy. It's a real challenge to get up every day and find a reason to be open to new ideas.

Take Care Zoka (Yes You)
I hope that you haven't run across too many negative images and words lately.
Don't ever crucify yourself for others.

posted October 19, 2003 10:47 PM            

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Someone asked about a person he/she was interested in and after revealing, in a very non-concerned and light-hearted, almost amusing way, that the person is ALREADY having a relationship (marriage), which was nothing to the person the posted the thread, ONLY one person reacted the way I think (and this is only my personal belief) everyone should have reacted: explaining the person the consequences and impacts when breaking a marriage or a relationship without ANY deeper thinking, planing, evaluating or soul-searching.

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posted October 19, 2003 11:02 PM            

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And this was just the tip of the ice-berg. I did not mention neglecting kids, numerous abortions, stealing, killing, perverts, lying, racism etc.
Am I too moral, rigorous and prude? Should I turn my head when a person has a problem for which she/he is the cause or is partially to blame and tell the person what he/she wants to hear? Where does it stop? Where do you stop? When do you sit down and say: "Sweetheart, you are pushing the limits! You are doing something very wrong here. This is not good!"

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posted October 20, 2003 09:29 AM              

I personally have been worried about this thread, because it discusses the private life of your clients. Perhaps it is my own fault to believe that all astrologers work in confidentiality, not quite sure about that now.

Perhaps it is also my own generalization and taking your words at face value, that your 10 years of being an astrologer---and attending a school, had at the very least brushed upon this topic of client relationships and work ethics.

I don't know from whom you are referencing, but it is obvious a breech of privacy and professionalism has taken place and has caused some people, including myself, to have doubts about posting openly and writing e-mails to posters.

posted October 20, 2003 10:16 AM            

No one knows how difficult that is until they are in that situation. I used to judge people harshly for having affairs, it is wrong to hurt another, but then I had to look into the reason for the affairs.

On one hand (this may be my Libra singleton popping out LOL), there are people that just enjoy the power of hurting others through having affairs. On the other hand, there are those people that are so unhappy or unloved that they may be prone to having an affair.

For pixelpixie and others to think about the sexual attraction, is just thought - it is not an act. We are human and we have attractions but that doesn't mean the attraction will lead to the betrayal of another. It may actually serve to reinforce the strength of the relationship. If one does go out and have an affair, then there is a deeper issue that needs to be looked at to determine the motivation.

My Father had a few affairs while married to my mom. It was heart breaking and there I am not about to justify what he did. I know they married young and he was a uniform cop and had many cop-groupies throwing themselves at him. My mother was a total control freak, but also very loving. So, the last affair led to a divorce. It was devasting for our family, but it was also necessary. They were not well suited for each other and the family as a whole is much healthier today being divorced that if they had stayed together.

I am not advocating divorce or affairs, but I do believe we need to know the motivation behind such actions.

posted October 20, 2003 10:39 AM            

I feel you may be "suffering" of the "savior" complex.... a huge problem for doctors and psycho-therapists too.

You know so much, you can help others, and at some point you beging to feel responsible for the individuals you help. I'm not saying that you shouldn't take what you do seriously, or that you shouldn't feel responsible for the things you tell people - there's a very fine line there, but I think you're doing fine with it. Yoiu must remember that you're only giving people INFORMATION, SUGGESTIONS, etc. As far as I know, you're not pointing a gun to anyone's head "do as I say or else".

You have a wonderful role to play in people' lives, and as long as you feel like it, it's fine. But that's it. Each individual is responsible for his or her own choices or path in life.

I think you should stay true to yourself and say the things you need to say, your own oppinions etc. Of course you also have free will and the right to choose.

posted October 20, 2003 12:20 PM            

I enjoy reading your posts. They bring to light so many emotions that I am not accostomed to expressing, which is why I love to read them. I am prone to rambling too..LOL... but I sometimes envy people that can write with so much emotion.

I think you have helped many people by your compassion and understanding. Some of us are a bit judgmental and need to be brought around to the more emotional side of the issue. Since I have started posting here, my mind has become more open and I have become more sensitive to other people.

posted October 20, 2003 01:11 PM            

Life is messy, one size does not fit all...we are still all here as one...and yet we remain individuals with choices to make. I personally see the separation between sex and love, but of course it's hazy. It's easy to judge, but until you've walked a mile in another's shoes......

Change your perspective, and you change the world.

If everything is love and everything is God/dess, then that means everything, like it or not!

OK, now I'm at work and rambling myself...so I'll just end this...

posted October 20, 2003 01:17 PM            

My astrology teacher was EMPHATIC that there are no 'good charts' vs. 'bad charts,' and refused to let us see any aspects as necessarily 'bad.' Some are more difficult than others it's true. Saturn sitting in the 10th, for example, is likely to indicate some potentially serious problems...but...
"Astrology indicates, it does not compel."

posted October 20, 2003 01:43 PM            

Well said. It is true that we should look at aspects, even negative ones as something to work on and with. I also like your point about being compassionate when viewing charts and people.