posted June 27, 2006 02:56 PM         

(female)
born on 2 Nov 1979 local time 04:19 am
in New York, NY (US) U.T. 09:19
74w00, 40n43 sid. time 07:07:13
PLANETARY POSITIONS
planet sign degree house
Sun Scorpio 09¡Æ21'15 01/2
Moon Aries 14¡Æ09'49 07
Mercury Sagittarius 02¡Æ42'16 02
Venus Scorpio 27¡Æ22'45 02
Mars Leo 21¡Æ32'08 11
Jupiter Virgo 05¡Æ55'09 11
Saturn Virgo 23¡Æ25'51 12
Uranus Scorpio 20¡Æ33'57 02
Neptune Sagittarius 18¡Æ46'40 03
Pluto Libra 19¡Æ55'57 01
True Node Virgo 06¡Æ34'18 11

HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus)
Ascendant Libra 13¡Æ19'32
2nd House Scorpio 10¡Æ22'30
3rd House Sagittarius 11¡Æ30'04
Imum Coeli Capricorn 15¡Æ29'16
5th House Aquarius 18¡Æ52'28
6th House Pisces 18¡Æ29'48
Descendant Aries 13¡Æ19'32
8th House Taurus 10¡Æ22'30
9th House Gemini 11¡Æ30'04
Medium Coeli Cancer 15¡Æ29'16
11th House Leo 18¡Æ52'28
12th House Virgo 18¡Æ29'48

(male)
born on 24 Dec 1977 local time 11:45 pm
in New York, NY (US) U.T. 04+45
74w00, 40n43 sid. time 06:03:21
PLANETARY POSITIONS
planet sign degree house
Sun Capricorn 03¡Æ16'57 04
Moon Gemini 29¡Æ37'53 09/10
Mercury Sagittarius 24¡Æ56'22 03
Venus Sagittarius 26¡Æ34'16 03
Mars Leo 10¡Æ30'54 11
Jupiter Cancer 00¡Æ46'40 10
Saturn Virgo 00¡Æ22'28 11
Uranus Scorpio 15¡Æ00'26 02
Neptune Sagittarius 16¡Æ29'52 03
Pluto Libra 16¡Æ30'45 01
True Node Libra 11¡Æ28'21 01

posted June 27, 2006 03:50 PM         

Glad you put this post up. There was actually another thread on this subject a couple of weeks ago. You might want to backtrack and read some of those responses too.

I don't know about other caps, but I've always loved scorps. Never met one that I didn't like...male or female. My current bf is a scorp/leo moon. I love him to death...always tell him he's my angel. Miss him every second we're not together!

posted June 27, 2006 03:50 PM         

Glad you put this post up. There was actually another thread on this subject a couple of weeks ago. You might want to backtrack and read some of those responses too.

I don't know about other caps, but I've always loved scorps. Never met one that I didn't like...male or female. My current bf is a scorp/leo moon. I love him to death...always tell him he's my angel. Miss him every second we're not together!

posted June 27, 2006 03:50 PM         

Glad you put this post up. There was actually another thread on this subject a couple of weeks ago. You might want to backtrack and read some of those responses too.

I don't know about other caps, but I've always loved scorps. Never met one that I didn't like...male or female. My current bf is a scorp/leo moon. I love him to death...always tell him he's my angel. Miss him every second we're not together!

posted June 27, 2006 04:44 PM         

Of every Cap man I've ever met, he's been unfaithful.

One was my phys ed teacher in college. He talked about his girlfriend during class and tried to seduce me after class. He told me he wasnt going to leave his girlfriend, but he thought him and I would be "so hot" together. :rolleyes

Another one set me on fire. He was so perfect. Lived in my town, had a great job and was single in his early thirties. WE really hit it off and I thought he was the one.

Turns out he lived 3 hours away, had a pregnant wife and a 3 year old baby girl. Made me sooo sick to find that out.

I don't want to put a damper on your spirits though. Just look out, just in case, lol.

Best of luck.

posted June 27, 2006 06:51 PM         

Wow, 4 years??!!! Good for you! My longest relationship was 2 1/2! LOL...but I'm working on improving that. Hopefully Mr. Scorp will be the last! We're still in the early stages actually...probably why I miss him so much!

I know caps have a really hard time verbalizing their feelings. They're also known for being cold and aloof. My pisces moon drives me nuts sometimes, but it definitely makes me softer and more empathetic than a lot of caps. My scorp will often say the sweetest, most meaningful things to me, and a lot of times I just freeze up and don't know how to respond. I want to say something back but I just can't. I tell him that he's a lot better at that than I am, and he always comforts me and tells me he knows that I feel the same and he's speaking for both of us. That always puts me at ease and makes me feel better. Such a sweetheart!

I'm sure your cap wants to be close to you, but he probably feels more comfortable showing it in other ways. This could be where the aries moon/cap sun conflict comes into play. With that aries moon you probably have a strong romantic side and you're most likely very physical. That may be hard for him to reciprocate. Also, his gemini moon may add to his cappy coolness. Having gemini represent your emotional side would make intimacy a little more difficult. He's also going to need space and freedom with that placement. A lot of the gemini's I've known have been pretty cool.

The best thing I can tell you is that caps need reassurance, but they won't come out and ask for it. Always let him know that you're with him for the long haul, and compliments won't hurt either...but compliment him on his abilities, such as intelligence, level headedness, sense of humor, etc.

Scorpio chick -

What is it with the cheating earth signs!!?? I dated a taurus for a couple years and the guy couldn't keep it in his pants to save his life! I think cap and taurean males can become very lecherous. I don't know about virgos though. It probably depends on their other placements, but I think a lot of it has to do with power and reinforcing their masculinity. Can't let a couple of bad apples ruin it though. My taurean boss has been married to his wife for over 30 years, and he still talks about that woman like a lovesick teenager. My best friend is married to a cappy boy and he's completely in love with her and tells her every day. So...there are good ones out there!

posted June 28, 2006 07:22 AM         

I met a Cap man who used information he found online about me to try and make me cry. Including on this forum. I stay away from Caps especially, and Taurus men do not socialize much. Virgos are okay.

posted June 28, 2006 10:10 AM         

CrankyCap, keep it up w/the Scorp.. we're diamonds in the rough (believe me) I know sometimes we can be frustrating to say the least... lol... but thats probably what you luv about us... lol... Honestly, I've been lurking around these boards for a while and have noticed that Caps and Scorps get a pretty bad rap around here... What's up with that? LMAO... True indeed, Scorps won't say something to someone that we don't mean... there are exceptions to the rule, of course, but for the most part we are honest and try to be as straight forward as possible. I think that each sign must go through stages of evolution in order to reach their higher being. I know that I am not the same person I was before this relationship began, and I can definitely say the same for Cappy. (Call it personal evolution) I think we have grown to respect eachothers need for space and reassurance. It's funny cause I've always been the first person to express my feelings, however I also admit that was rather difficult for me. It took him a LLLLOOONNNNGGGG time to say his feelings, however I am still surprised when he says he loves me.... lol.... I don't know, I guess we both are taken aback by sentiment since we tend not to wear our hearts on our sleeves.

As time passes, we get into our tiffs but for the most part we understand how to approach eachother without offending eachother. I remember the first time I realized how sensitive he is... lmao... I am so use to him being rough and aloof, I never realized how my words crushed him sometimes. When I saw the pain in his eyes, bestill my heart, I too felt his hurt. But I think that was the moment he realized I can stand on my own, I gained his respect.

That's something I noticed about Cappy's, when they love you, they respect you. they respect a "survivor" its the connection they look for when they choose someone. They want someone sweet, affectionate, tough, compassionate, independent, confident w/a sense of humor. The significance of that to me is, that is what most Scorpio's look for in a mate... lol... Both want someone to match wits with and anything less would be less than satisfying. I know it seems cold but for the most part, from my experiences, this tends to be the way we function in the world.

posted June 28, 2006 02:26 PM         

OMG!!! You hit the nail right on the head with the mutual respect thing. That's so true! To me, love and admiration go together and you can't admire someone you don't respect. I've always been drawn to people who have risen above their personal setbacks. People who have made something of their lives when they've come from very humble beginnings. I have tremendous respect for that.

I've also always fallen hardest for men who I consider to be "tougher" than me. Which is probably why the relationships I had with a Cancer and Pisces didn't work out. I need the balance of toughness and sensitivity, which is probably why I've always liked Scorps. They're definitely the strongest of the water signs but they still retain deep emotional feeling.

I didn't think your comment about waiting for the right person to match wits with was cold at all. I'm the same way. They say Caps tend to marry late in life, and I think that's true because they refuse to settle. I probably could have been married 3 times by now..lol...but I've walked away each time because I have to have a certain balance with a partner and there's no way I could live my life without those things. It's not about finding a "perfect" person, but it's about finding someone "just right" for you...flaws and all.

And speaking of Scorp/Cap unions, I've been really following this Jenny McCarthy - Jim Carrey thing. She's the Scorp, he's the Cap. I just LOVE both of them, and I can't imagine two people more perfect together. I think they're adorable. Hopefully that one lasts...even though it is Hollywood!

I agree with you on the cheating thing as well. I think it's definitely a matter of personal respect and self esteem. People who generally don't trust their partners, or who are intimidated by them will often stray. It's their own unhealthy self esteem that causes it.

I'll definitely be sticking it out with Mr. Scorp for a while. I don't plan on letting him go anytime soon! He's definitely been a diamond among many, many rocks over the last few years! Well...so far anyway!

Although I don't know you personally, you seem like you'd be a lovely person to know. Hopefully your Cap won't drop the ball, and starts telling you and showing you more often how special you are. If not, tell him CrankyCap from Ohio will have some words for him!

posted June 28, 2006 03:46 PM         

YOUR SOOOO RIGHT ON!!! When we first began our relationship, I was docile and a bit intimidated by him, until I realized that he felt the same way. He was always very prim and proper w/me... lol It took a long time for us to actually be "ourselves", weird but true. To a certain degree I think we both avoided eachother because we knew subconsciously that each was more than the other could handle.. (Silly but true)

I had to laugh when u mentioned the strong but sensitive type. I've also dated Pisces and Cancer and they were too sensitive for me... lol... I too need the balance of rough but soft at the same time... lol Cappy's, in my opinion fit this description to a tee... Most people (usually the faint at heart) find both Cappy's and Scorp's intimidating to a certain extent... Or demeanor's are quite similar in that we are both ambitious, hard-working, straight forward and pretty much no non-sense (only when appropriate) lol... Funny thing is once u get to know us, we're actually pretty funny and laid back, we just don't trust everyone and for good reason... lol

I know what you mean about not settling... lol... I too have had offers to elope and such, but walked away cause they just weren't what I was looking for in a man... lol... However, if Cappy ever popped the question, there would be no doubt in my mind whatsoever... lol but I don't hold my hopes up, I just try to go w/the flow and not rush things... That in and of itself was a difficult lesson to learn, but I believe that he was placed in my life to teach me that lesson, in my own time. He's taught me the value of patience, perseverance and hard work. I believe I taught him the value of looking deep within and expressing yourself, love and affection and finding worth in himself and not what he possesses.

CrankyCap, have you guys experienced the "control struggle"? I think that was the hardest thing we had to learn. That in order for "real love" to happen, both have to be willing to be vulnerable, and actually thats something we learned just recently.

And w/Jim Carrey and Jenny Garth, LOVING IT!!! lol... they seem to balance eachother out well. They're both weird, quirky and wild but they seem almost peaceful together... lol... its so weird, but being intuitive, I just liked them from the beginning... And in typical Cap/Scorp fashion, they keep their relationship under wraps... I think that when Cap/Scorp are truly in love, no one knows much... they keep it to themselves... lol... i guess once u have a good thing, you don't want others to ruin it...

posted June 28, 2006 07:06 PM         

This is cracking me up! I think we might be soul sisters! LOL

That was a great observation you made about Jenny and Jim and how they seem calm and peaceful together despite the fact that they're normally so off the wall. That's true, they compliment eachother very well. I also liked what you said about how being Scorp/Cap they've kept their relationship private...as well as when Scorp/Cap are in love they keep it to themselves??? LMAO!!! That's soooo true! After the Scorp and I first started dating one of my co-workers asked me why I wasn't talking about it much. I told her that I've never been one to tell every intimate detail of my relationships or talk about my private life with someone special. It's something I want for myself, and no one else needs to hear the details. Plus, it always annoys me when other people go on and ON about their significant others. My scorp told me he did the same thing. His co-workers ask him about me a lot and he said he didn't like to tell them much for the same reason. He's said it's special to him, it's personal, and if they want to know about it they can go get their own! lol

In Selena's earlier post, she mentioned how Scorps and Caps are not an "openly affectionate" pair, but who knows what happens behind closed doors. That's so true too! PDA kind of freaks me out. The first time Scorp kissed me we where in a parking lot. The kiss was great, but I said, "Quick let's get in the car! I don't want people staring at us!" When I'm at his place if we're kissing on his couch he always jumps up and shuts the blinds because he doesn't want to give anyone a "free show." However, when we're alone it's DEFINITELY intense!
TOO FUNNY!!!

As far as the power struggle goes, I haven't really had that with Scorp. When I've been with passive, ultra-sensitive types before (i.e., Cancer, Pisces) I always automatically take the lead. But that's really not what I like. I'd rather the man be the man, and me be the woman. I really don't mind handing over the reigns - to the right guy. I still voice my opinion, but I'd much rather have a strong, confident guy take charge. Part of that is probably the pisces moon I have. I'm GREATLY influenced by that moon. It really ticks off the Cap sun sometimes! lol

posted June 28, 2006 08:22 PM         

Anyway, I would love to hear more about the 4 years you've had w/ your Cap. guy... has he "disappeared" for weeks? There's alot I could say but I am just finding your experience very similar to mine and a whole host of other women's whom I've discussed Cap. men with.

posted June 29, 2006 12:03 PM         

Also, with your Scorp being the soothing one... lol... That is my role... lol... Cappy tends to get into his dark moods and I usually have to rationalize everything for him and be supportive, just being patient enough to let him climb out of his hole in his own time. I just reassure him that I will be there when he's ready to get out and there isn't anything I can't handle, enough for both of us... lol I'm sort of like his psychologist and vice versa (though admittingly that wasn't until recently that I confided in him) Just like with most Scorps. we can help other people with their problems but we will keep our emotions to ourselves, weighing us down mentally...

Honestly, I'm much better at emotional crisis than he is.. I tend to be more perceptive than him so deal w/loss and such alot better than he does.. Guess you can say that is my strength and his weakness... but we both acknowledge that and tread softly around sensitive subjects... We just discuss them when we both feel comfortable enough to do so... But this is 4 years of working out or differences and alot of push and pull... Now we just understand that sometimes its ok to be passive and the other aggressive, we tend to switch those roles frequently. When you mentioned that your Scorp gets ****** when you apologize for your feelings I almost fell off my seat cause I get the same way with him... It took a long time to convince him that I loved him warts and all... i think that comes when you accept that part of yourself, it just helps to know that someone outside of your normal circle loves you unconditionally...

For example, a couple of months ago he was hospitalized for a Bell's palsy in his facial muscles. When he first felt odd, I was the first person he called, I, being the worrier that I am, was ready to jump to help him immediately... I was ready to leave my job and get him but he refused my help.. I was devastated... I thought that we had developed enough trust that he would accept my help w/o a problem...

Well, instead of going w/my initial reaction, to curse him out, I just let him be... Obviously I called him everyday to make sure he was ok, but I realized that he was just trying to compose himself w/o having to worry that I would over-react and make the situation worse. However, when he finally folded and we saw eachother I asked him why he pushed me away and I made it clear I was offended by his behavior... he said " I guess my vanity got in the way" I said "Enough of the superficial bs, get over yourself, I'm here regardless of what happens to you, I couldn't care less that you are less than yourself, thats not the reason why I stay and I hope that you know that!" That was the end of that convo but I think he realized at that moment I was there for the long haul, warts and all... I just never realized until then how much he tried to impress me... lol I always thought it was so ridculous cause I'm not that superficial of a person... not my nature...

CapGirl, Cappy men are just odd... There are just a couple of rules of thumb to follow when in a relationship w/a Cappy male...
1. DO NOT REVOLVE YOUR LIFE AROUND HIM, IT WILL NEVER WORK This is the most important rule for you to remember. Go about your business and don't worry if he doesn't call you, he eventually will and when he does...
2. DO NOT GIVE HIM THE TIME OF DAY!! Don't jump the minute he calls, he'll just take advantage of your vulnerability... When he has been on one of his no call streaks, don't ignore the call, speak cordially but don't give him anything definitive.... lol The best thing to do is schedule something a week or two after you speak.. two weeks is better .. lmao Most Cappy men tend to think that the world revolves around them and it takes a smart woman to know that you must assert your own will and no one can dictate your life, even him... lol
3. LOVE, SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGE BUT DON'T PUT UP WITH HIS CRAP... Cappy men want a woman that they can respect and if you don't respect yourself enough to stand up, he won't respect you...

posted June 29, 2006 01:38 PM         

I say, date other men and give yourself options... I can remember when he realized I was dating other men, he wasn't comfortable w/that... wanted more of my time and blah blah blah, but I treated him like I treated the others... the same, indifferent... The thing that pulled him back in was when I was seeing a lawyer/MBA scholar, handsome, well-off and educated... something more along my lines... lol (Cappy's a blue-collar kinda guy, I'm more of the intellectual) and I expressed great interest in him and the lawyer friend was mutual about his feelings as well... Well, to make a long story short, Cappy had to choose to either give me what I deserved or let me be... Needless to say he pursued me like a dog... lol However, I did make it clear that I would still keep my options open because I didn't know whether or not he could make the sort of committment I needed and wanted... Over time, Cappy men soften up... lol They just take their sweet time when it comes to love... Can't blame them really but it can get rather frustrating to say the least... Sooo, going to back to what I said before, I don't revolve my life around him... I refuse to let him consume my thoughts and I go about my business... I have fun, go out, flirt and party but that's my limit... What Cappy's want more than anything is a balance of independence and feeling needed... If you can balance this out and not drive yourself nuts, you'll be ok... In the end, the decision is up to you... Personally I say go about your business and rock on!! See other people, date and have fun, if he wants you, he'll come back on your terms and if not, better that you know it now than find out much later... Best of Luck and keep me posted...

posted June 29, 2006 03:46 PM         

Of course I've been keeping up with this thread too, and I wanted to offer you a little insight as well.

Although I've never had a long term relationship with another Cap (must repel my own lol), I did have one that lasted a little over 2 years with a Taurean. Both your situation and scorpluv's sound very similar to what I went through with him. The two earth signs are very similar I think.

In the beginning he was straightforward and told me that he wasn't looking for a commitment. I adored him though, and in my mind I just kept thinking that with our strong chemistry I could win him over, so I pushed gently, and I was patient. I acted like I didn't mind the "open relationship" and did my best to stay cool and aloof. We did everything that couples do - we even moved in together. All the while he wouldn't give me any kind of commitment. He even met a girl in Europe and TOLD me about it. Probably another strategy used to keep me at a distance. I finally spilled my feelings to him in a heaving, screaming mess of tears one night. I know it made him think, and he felt terrible about it, but he still gave me nothing back. This continued on for a while longer, I dropped about 30 pounds due to my nerves being totally shot, and I finally decided to start seeing other people. This did not go over well with him. It was all about the double standard. What's good for the goose is not always what's good for the gander right? Like scorpluv said, I think this finally made him come around and he said he wanted to be with me and only me - for a while. Until he took a job in San Francisco and did not ask me to go with him. Miraculously, we kept up the relationship long distance for another year - until I got an email from a girl he had been...let's just say "intimate" with. That's when I ended it for good. Shortly after he took a job in Brazil. I was devasted. I had been madly in love with they guy for over two years. It had taken its toll on me and at that moment I had nothing to show for it but a broken heart and a very, very bruised ego. I felt like damaged goods, and it took me a good 3 years to get over it.

I used to cry about it to my friends and one would always tell me that if it was meant to be, it would happen. I too believe in the idea of loving something and being able to let it go. We get so blinded by love that we OFTEN forget ourselves and our needs and feelings. The greatest lesson I learned from that relationship is to never, ever, neglect my own needs again. By doing that you're only going to spin yourself in circles and you'll never be truly happy. I often wondered why I had to go through it, and I realize now that it was to teach me to love myself first and know that I'm worth more than that. Being Saturn babies, it seems like there's a new "lesson" behind every corner. Plus, if I hadn't gone through it, and taken the time to heal I may never have met the man I'm with now.

In the end it's up to you and what's best for you. Just don't slight yourself...no man is worth it no matter how much you love him. You should be having your needs met as well as his.

posted June 29, 2006 03:48 PM         

I'm really not THAT independent... He's just forcing me to be it seems. I agree that they want to feel wanted, and then they take control and come back pursuing. It's like it takes 3 contact attempts, leaving messages/text, to where he feels sufficiently and truly "wanted" and then he will call or contact me on his own, but god forbid not pick up on my call.