posted June 12, 2009 02:11 AM            

I hate it when people won't just come out with it and say what the hell is on their mind.

Life is complicated enough. We also have limited time on this planet (so far anyway, haha). Why do some insist on making it even more annoying even when they are *nicely* asked ?

Mars / 1st house/ oppose Venus/Jupiter T-Square
Aries moon (12th house)

What aspects make for passive-aggressive BS?

posted June 12, 2009 02:47 AM            

I can't stand passive-aggression either. Where on a chart? It depends on the whole picture. Also, are we talking mental health problems or just someone who is a conflict avoider and tends to resort to passive-aggressive ways of proving a point?

From past experience I can give an example of both. The one where I think there are mental problems involves a Sun T-Square, Pluto Rising and Moon Conjunct Saturn. Unfortunately, the crushed emotions of Moon/Saturn were sitting on my Ascendant and Square my Mars. With Mars/Asc I tend to stand up and be counted. This was petrol on the fire of a passive-aggressive control-freak. There was more horrendous synastry but that's enough for now.

Sun Opposite Moon Square Neptune woman has moved away now but I did start to really have enough with her attitude. I always walked around on eggshells for until I started to get older and have my own responsibilities and got a clue she was just a selfish moaner.

posted June 12, 2009 03:09 AM            

Not coming out and saying what you want to say is a Libran planet esp Moon thing. I know plenty of Libran Moons and we all do it. We do it because we don't want to offend and to please

Particular things I hate:

posted June 12, 2009 03:19 AM            

23, I hear you.
I'd never tell someone (as an Aries moon or otherwise!) that I think they're mentally ill if they disagree with me (even if I want to on a reactionary level... and yeah, some people can drive one to want to say it, but that doesn't make it right to express lol).
I also do know the desire to not want to offend (Libra stellium, and my Venus conjunct the 7th).

I meant more along the line of going out of one's way to be diplomatic and STILL not getting a direct answer.
It's true that the anger can drain.
Alternatively, sensing that something is wrong and going on with another person and not having them just come out an say it can be *very* draining as well...a lot of time being spent to cater to brooding, pouting, and trying to coax can be exhausting.

Admittedly, I don't always come out and say it right off the bat when I am REALLY mad (I tend to shut down momentarily, and also, I don't like making others upset), yet I also hate the thought of another person waiting for me to come out and say what's on my mind if I am so obviously upset.

So I guess I really am trying to say that even when you are trying so hard to be diplomatic and fair with another, and they *still* do not express themselves, that is annoying. And yes, it can be very draining.
I'd rather someone hurt my feelings for 5 minutes and tell me if they are mad at me and why instead of dragging it out, so that it can be looked at and resolved and we can move on.

Onward, you know?

posted June 12, 2009 03:42 AM            

Its funny though, i have mars in 1st but its in Scorpio, scorpios tend to hide whats on their mind, especially when it comes to some serious emotions or thoughts. My AC is also Scorpio, and above all i have Saturn conjuncting it.

Ithink in the past i was very secretive and reserved. I rarely spoke my mind, i never expressed any opinions. On one hand cuz i was concerned what others will think and that they might even judge or tease me. Expressing love was also almost impossible. Something just hold me back, i guess it was Saturn.

But wen i got older i sorta intentionally started to express myself more openly and i became more spontanious. Today i think i have become somewhat too honest with people, i would tell them almost everythink that lies on my mind, whether its bad or good. I just can't keep my mouth shut. I think its the saturn again. I read it somewhere, that Saturn can sometimes make the native overdo it. In its desire to rid himself of the restrains of the Saturn the native intentionally starts to express himself more openly, more bravely. Its sorta a forced behaviour, so sometimes i think i might be the biggest faker of all people, cuz i consciously have to decide to behave in this way.

I did menage to become very popular, i developed a interesting, wierd kind of humour but people like it, and generaly they like me a lot. I am very candid as i said and sometimes people get scared, however it is not my true nature, firstly i am still scorpio and under great saturn influence. My sun is also squared saturn. Its the effort to override the saturn influence that makes me like that. So in public i might act completely in contradiction with my scorpio/saturnian nature. One reason i think that i am doing so well is because i am a leo, with my venus there as well. Perhaps my sagi moon helps me beat my saturn too.

posted June 12, 2009 04:12 AM            

I rememeber one of my good friends whos a Cancer Sun, Gemini Moon. I would always sense that he would put his words in a fashion as a way not just be honest and tell someone when they are wrong for example. How are people going to learn and grow if they are suagar coated with things which are not to honest?? Also he use to always ask me alot of questions but also expected to receive the answer he wanted to hear..and when he felt disappointed I would just say look you know me i just say what i think/feel and i'm not going to lie if you ask me a question just for the sake of the EGO.

I notice this guy is also passive agressive to me..and i just associate that with plain sneakiness and dishonesty of character.

EDIT: This person who I mentioned has some hard aspects going on.

Saturn oppositon Moon/Mercury
Saturn square Mars
Saturn inconjunct Jupiter

Mars sqaure Moon/Mercury

Uranus (chart ruler) oppositon Moon/Mercury
Uranus sqaure Mars
Uranus inconjunct Jupiter

posted June 12, 2009 04:15 AM            

Metatron...yeah, I've got Saturn(Cancer) square Mercury (Libra) so there's a weird reserve. My Mars is in Taurus, so I think I am patient. The Aries moon pushes to express and the Mars Taurus/Rising pushes back until it all goes POP
I have to work hard in striking a balance and going 'What the %$#^ is YOUR problem?' and 'Are you ok? What's up?'
Generally both are running through my mind... equal amounts of frustrations and anger and concern , which is why I just prefer to be dealt with directly.

In general, I get along with fire signs (esp Leos and then Sagittarius) because I just feel like I know where I stand. I really like that And the more upfront they are, it's almost like an inspiration, making me feel comfortable to be that way too. It's feels freeing. I can go on with my life without wondering what the %&$&* the problem is, if there is one LOL

I like all signs for the most part... I just sometimes prefer people in general who won't BS me. And it's just odd sometimes how hard that can be to find!

posted June 12, 2009 04:25 AM              

I really don't like nosey people who ask too many questions but if I am in the mood I'll answer a few and others Im just like "I don't want to talk about it right now" and I would hope someone would respect my privacy because they don't need to know every little detail about me except the important things that need to be told, such as medical problems..

Even that is hard enough because people so harshly judge your shortcomings that they never have a chance to see what your capable of, also I would not tell anyone at my job my sexual orientation because of the biased judgement but if I must..I would..

posted June 12, 2009 04:47 AM            

That's pretty direct, Cheshire."

Exactly, as you are not lieing you just being upfront, don't ask me basically lol. I'm like that rather then lie I would rather be silent.

One other guy you turn out to be dishonest in major ways and tried to use indirect games to keep me on a hook was a Capricorn Sun, Taurus Moon (I know sounds sexy ) But! I feel more sorry for him as I think he is just lost and confused. Its sad that i have noticed he is playing games with someone else atm and had lost me in the process. Shame really. But i think it was for the best.

Venus/Saturn conjuct Neptune in Capricorn

posted June 12, 2009 05:18 AM            

when people consistently keep lying for no good reason.

immaturity.

when people can't control there feelings, i don't like outbursts or mood swings.

cocky attitude.

i also don't like when people aren't direct, about how they feel or what they are thinking, especially in the matters of love.

posted June 12, 2009 07:35 AM            

All the more reason why I dislike the covertly invidious behaviour of the passive aggressive type of personality.

Gentle and/or considerate people who avoid arguments and confrontation is not what I am talking about here, I mean obstructionist and deceitful behaviour calculated to injure another person emotionally or to sabotage their work or anything in their life they are working hard to achieve. No, they might not shout, swear or be overtly bullying, but bullying is what they are doing, in an underhand manner.

Having been at the receiving end in a work situation for several months, I feel very strongly about how damaging such behaviour can be, and one of the problems is the person responsible is in complete denial.

quote:

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Blaming: They are never responsible for their actions. If you aren't to blame then it is something that happened at work, the traffic on the way home or the slow clerk at the convenience store. The passive aggressive has no faults, it is everyone around him/her who has faults and they must be punished for those faults.

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http://divorcesupport.about.com/od/abusiverelationships/a/Pass_Agg.htm

posted June 12, 2009 10:44 AM              

"Are you a virgin?", Im like do you really need to know that? Is this going to change your life and I just keep it to myself >_>;;.

^^^I don't like being hung up on appearance, If your laid back and can take a joke and we can respect eachother's space I am ok.

Also I hate black licorice, I don't know why they make that candy and I don't know anyone that eats that stuff.

posted June 12, 2009 11:05 AM            

I find we live in a society that sugarcoats everything. Folks have to make sure that they are tactful and diplomatic about stuff. Being an Aries, I am blunt and to the point when dealing with matters but I get very criticized for not being tactful but how does one get their point across going in circles and speaking in "code"?

Hmmmmmm what is it that I don't like.

Closed people

Highly judgmental, assuming people who claim to know everything

Being treated the same way I was back in school and in childhood. People not seeing beyond the past into the now. (if you come across folks where you have a history and things were not so good, then it effects the here and now and they could exert some control over one cause their expectation of a person has not changed and they still expect the same person they knew - which is not the case cause a person is not defined by their personal history.

People not having time for others

Ignorance - but it's a mixed thing

Demanding serious people

Intolerant people who does not accept how a person is and if they did something that is different in their eyes it way unacceptable to them - my father is like that!

I think I would after typing this I will want to focus MORE on what is it in life that I enjoy and to take the ego based hurts of what I don't like about others and put that away. People are the way they are and I have no clue as to why they appear that way. I don't think people live the label that other place on them.....look at Alanis Morisette's song Joining you and it just illustrate what I'm trying to say here.....

Dear darlin,
Your mom, my friend
Left a message on my machine
She was frantic
Saying you were talking crazy.

That you wanted to do away with yourself.
Guess she thought I would be the perfect resort
Because we've had this inexplicable connection since our youth

And yes, they're in shock
They are panicked
You and your chronic
Them and their drama
You this embarassment
Us in the middle of this delusion.

If we were our bodies,
If we were our futures,
If we were our defenses,
I'd be joining you.

If we were our culture,
If we were our leaders,
If we were our denials,
I'd be joining you.

I remember vividly a day years ago,
We were camping.
You knew more than you thought you should know.
You said i dont want ever to be brainwashed
And you were mindboggling, you were intense.
You were uncomfortable in your own skin.
You were thirsty,
But mostly you were beautiful.

If we were our nametags,
If we were our rejections,
If we were our outcomes,
I'd be joining you.

If we were our indignities,
If we were our successes,
If we were our emotions,
I'd be joining you.

You and i, were like four year olds.
We want to know why, and how come about everything.
We want to reveal ourselves at will, and speak our minds.
And never talk small talk and be intuitive,
And question mightily, and find God my tortured beacon.

We need to find like-minded companions.

If we were their condemnations,
If we were their projections,
If we were our paranoias, I'd be joining you.

If we were our incomes,
If we were our obsessions,
If we were our afflictions, I'd be joining you.

We need a reflection,
We need a really good memory.
Feel free to call me a little more often

Cynn