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Topic: Congressman Gabrielle Giffords, Arizona Shooting Victim: Transits
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PlutoSquared Moderator Posts: 2745 From: Mars Registered: Aug 2010
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posted January 08, 2011 08:57 PM
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PlutoSquared Moderator Posts: 2745 From: Mars Registered: Aug 2010
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posted January 08, 2011 09:01 PM
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PlutoSquared Moderator Posts: 2745 From: Mars Registered: Aug 2010
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posted January 08, 2011 09:03 PM
Right off the bat, I'm looking at the Transiting Pluto in Capricorn opposite Natal Mars, and T. Pluto square N. Uranus.IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared Moderator Posts: 2745 From: Mars Registered: Aug 2010
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posted January 08, 2011 09:04 PM
Also, T. Uranus opposite N. Pluto...IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 503 From: Praha Registered: Aug 2010
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posted January 08, 2011 09:07 PM
Transit pluto opposing natal mars,ruler of 8th=death made public;that stirred wide masses. Ruler of 6th(circumstances of death) in first,body,squared by mars(gun)...IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5180 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 08, 2011 09:09 PM
Is there an actual birthtime for the chart? It says noon for time, and so I am asking.------------------ No..I am not a Virgo. Developmental Neurodiversity Association facebook group. http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=131944976821905&ref=ts IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared Moderator Posts: 2745 From: Mars Registered: Aug 2010
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posted January 08, 2011 09:10 PM
No, Glaucus, I haven't been able to find an exact birth time.IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5180 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 08, 2011 09:12 PM
I noticed that Eris that just stationed in 21'09 Aries this morning is squaring her Venus right now.
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Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5180 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 08, 2011 09:12 PM
double post------------------ No..I am not a Virgo. Developmental Neurodiversity Association facebook group. http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=131944976821905&ref=ts IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared Moderator Posts: 2745 From: Mars Registered: Aug 2010
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posted January 08, 2011 09:14 PM
That would be significant, seeing as Aries rules the head. And, everything known about Eris...As for the aspect to Venus, that would make sense, too. IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared Moderator Posts: 2745 From: Mars Registered: Aug 2010
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posted January 08, 2011 09:15 PM
T. Neptune Squares N. Mercury, leading to confusion...IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared Moderator Posts: 2745 From: Mars Registered: Aug 2010
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posted January 08, 2011 09:16 PM
I think Neptune is under-rated as far as its capability to bring on intense change...From a few charts, harsh Neptune transits seem to correspond with strokes, and debilitating issues with body and mind. IP: Logged |
BearsArcher Moderator Posts: 509 From: Arizona with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2010
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posted January 08, 2011 09:27 PM
I think it would be more interesting to see the gunman's chart since he was the one that planned and executed his murderous spree. Juni put up a very interesting site that captured some of his myspace posts: http://animalnewyork.com/2011/0 1/arizona-shooters-myspace-page/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+animalnewyork+(ANIMAL) This is what he was looking at when he visited Midwayusa.com http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=116453 and then if you follow his dates of his posts, you can see how he started talking about "my shot is ready for the aim".... on the 30th of December. We have no idea if he ordered that magazine (holds 33 rounds). I would bet that his chart has more to do with commiting the violence than Giffords chart for receiving it (just in my opinion). There is another site- I have to find the link again- that features a highschool friend that noted that when Loughner met Giffords he said she was "stupid and unintelligent". This article gives a bit more background on the shooter. http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-jared-lee-loughner-profile,0,3468158.story I also want to note- Loughner was not nor ever has been in the US Military. He tried to enlist in the Army but was rejected. IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared Moderator Posts: 2745 From: Mars Registered: Aug 2010
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posted January 08, 2011 09:35 PM
Good Links & Info, Bears. Thanks.IP: Logged |
BearsArcher Moderator Posts: 509 From: Arizona with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2010
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posted January 08, 2011 09:36 PM
I also wanted to add that Judge John Roll, one of the victims that died at the scene was born: Feb 8, 1947 in Pittsburgh, PA (no time given). http://judgepedia.org/index.php/John_Roll IP: Logged |
BearsArcher Moderator Posts: 509 From: Arizona with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2010
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posted January 08, 2011 09:38 PM
You're very welcome. I just can't believe that this has happened. Giffords is our Rep for the 8th district here in AZ. We are all in such shock over the events, as is the nation. Thank you for starting this thread. I think it is important to look into events, from all points of view, especially since it helps us to try and make sense of things. ****.. Oh.. Pima college just put out information in regards to his time at the school. He had 5 contacts with the PCC campus police for disruptions and voluntarily withdrew from the school in October (he had previously faced suspension from the school).
What I don't understand is how this kid has so many red flags from issues with the police, withdrawing from his highschool after alcohol poisoning, getting rejected from the Military and then almost getting suspended- a sort of forced "voluntary withdrawal from college" and his myspace was littered with threats. He was even arrested twice.
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PlutoSquared Moderator Posts: 2745 From: Mars Registered: Aug 2010
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posted January 08, 2011 09:42 PM
No problem, Bears. I've been pretty overwhelmed with this story today, and hope this woman pulls through.
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PlutoSquared Moderator Posts: 2745 From: Mars Registered: Aug 2010
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posted January 08, 2011 09:43 PM
As soon as I get a birthtime for the Loughner, I will post his chart, too. He seems imbalanced mentally, just from grazing the material on his youtube and myspace.IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared Moderator Posts: 2745 From: Mars Registered: Aug 2010
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posted January 08, 2011 09:49 PM
Victim, Judge John Roll... Transiting Nessus Conjunct Natal Sun... IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared Moderator Posts: 2745 From: Mars Registered: Aug 2010
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posted January 08, 2011 09:55 PM
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PlutoSquared Moderator Posts: 2745 From: Mars Registered: Aug 2010
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posted January 08, 2011 10:17 PM
Lastly, Terrorist, Jared Lee Loughner's Chart (information based on below link) http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/8/161324/9858 IP: Logged |
BearsArcher Moderator Posts: 509 From: Arizona with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2010
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posted January 08, 2011 10:34 PM
I forgot that the AZ government posts criminal / traffic violations http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/caselookup.aspx But.. I am cautious about the bday only because it is not listed in the court records and one record has him listed as being born in 1930 with a stop sign violation occuring in 2007. http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/caselookup.aspx Great link though PS- It has a ton of information about his youtube information and some of his comments. ETA... Nevermind about being cautious about his bday- it was also listed here: http://www.opednews.com/articles/Who-Is-Jared-Lee-Loughner-by-Rob-Kall-110108-881.html IP: Logged |
BearsArcher Moderator Posts: 509 From: Arizona with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2010
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posted January 08, 2011 10:53 PM
Whoa... double whammy in his chart- Sun conjunct Moon in Virgo squaring his Saturn cojunct Uranus in Pluto in Sagittarius. I think added to that the energy of Neptune (Capricorn) square Mercury (Libra) and squaring Mars (Aries) forming a T-square contributes to a possible inclination towards delusional thinking. He was facinated with dreams/ conscious dreaming in order to promote his political "business" put it. Could his Moon trine Neptune also be confusing that T-square? There are other negative and positive aspects, but I am just looking at some of the natal ones that jump out at me. transit wise- he has tSaturn conjuncting his Mercury- setting off that T-square while tPluto on Capricorn is sitting on his Neptune (also contributing to the vibrations). it itself- Saturn squaring Pluto is not a fun place to be in (I had the tSaturn opposing tPluto in Sag configuration with my Sun in the middle about 6 years ago and it was some crazy cosmic sandwich). So.. to me, and I may be wrong- but we have Saturn and Pluto squaring each other, setting off Mercury and Neptune.. which just so happen to natally oppose (which means tSaturn opposing his nMars) and square (tPluto) his natal Mars in Aries.. He also has Chiron in Cancer completing the T-square into a Cross. Could it have contributed? Pluto moves slowly, Saturn takes 2 years- could something else percipitated the events thus causing the major negative vibration in his chart that set off today's events? IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared Moderator Posts: 2745 From: Mars Registered: Aug 2010
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posted January 08, 2011 11:02 PM
I think the Pluto conjunct Neptune can signify definitely a devotion to faith that if "misplaced" could bring about bad, bad things... or a loss of faith completely.When I went through a Pluto conjunct Neptune transit, I was very ill and became very religiously devoted... very quiet, very soft-hearted... Then, I was plowed over a very destructive person... Basically, it was a time of very personal "testing" of my spirituality, in many different ways... leaving behind a changed view of spirituality - and I'm thankful to STILL have my beliefs, because it came very close to taking that all away. I hope we get a birth certificate with birthtimes for these folks. It will help to better "Frame" these transits and their energies. IP: Logged |
BearsArcher Moderator Posts: 509 From: Arizona with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2010
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posted January 08, 2011 11:34 PM
That is definitely a hard transit. When I went through it (my Neptune is in Scorpio), I was in college and had to face a few idiots that through out racist comments towards me. I attended / graduated from a private university and they said I received grants for being a minority (which was wrong- I received scholarships and grants for my grades and also because I am Lutheran and was attending a Lutheran university). They were jocks that received full rides but had no affiliation with the religion. In any case, I was told by other minority students to "let it go" and that they had the same experience. I couldn't let it go. If I did, I would just be allowing the same thing to happen to someone else. It challenged my identity. It made me question so many things and when I talked to my father he told me that is why he discouraged me from going to school in OR. I challenged the idiots. I went to the top people of the University and they were suspended, their free rides were reduced (they had to pay a portion to stay in) and I was hated for about a good year or so. BUT, they never did that crap again and the school / sports department held the athletes to a better standard after that. By my SR year, I was not hated but instead had people on my side, with the exception of some of the lamo new females that wanted the attention of the jocks (I should also say, that I was friends with the jocks and dated a few LOL... the ones that went after me were ticked because I rejected them, but I never cared). So.. it worked out but not without the pain that came with it. I had been brought up in a biracial family in Southern Cali (Laguna Hills) that accepted people for what they were and didn't care about a brown person with a white person. I could have left school to return to the sister Uni in California but I didn't- mainly because my dad said "I never wanted you to go up there because I was afraid this would happen. Now that you are there, you have to make a difference. You have to stand up for yourself". IP: Logged |