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BanxxManxx
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posted January 12, 2011 01:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BanxxManxx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RiverDawg47:

I've been looking at a lot of Illuminati Manchurian Candidate theories being tossed around by people such as Richard Boylan. If you carry Hidden Hand's line of thinking, this is what they signed up for. To make sure that certain events take place in order to complete certain Galactic Goals... It's really disturbing but look at the astrological and numerological evidence. It's one of those "What If's" that could be a "Really?"

Absolutely. Good Insight RiverDawg. What is even more terrifying is that the evil ones in power could have so many different devices used to brainwash and control people. I mean, they could have signals that they send out to make people commit certain acts. The people in the world could actually be nothing more than puppets or rather robots. In a lot of ways, jared seems like a robot. I think that this is true to some extent but underneath there is some semblance of consciousness in the human soul for our brothers and sisters in the world but it is kept under check through demonic forces entering the mind. It is up to some of the awakened ones (not in the jared looney toons sense of the word) to help people see how much they are being controlled. In a non violent way!

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posted January 12, 2011 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are on the right track Banx.

Don't forget the middle aged accomplice.

Jared was the MK Ultra Programmed assasin. The older man as the handler and programmer who triggered the action.

All the other evidence is typical hogwash, been going on for centuries. Only a programmed person can have such deadly accuracy and emotional control to shoot down unarmed innocents.

Problem-Reaction-Solution.

They want to prevent young Star Seeds and Enlightened Youth from taking revolutionary action, so they will want to paint all free thinking, protesting youth as potential Jareds.

2017. The evil will have no choice but to give up. All the World Leaders are equally guilty, across all political parties.

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posted January 12, 2011 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what minor planets would figure into programming,assassination,murder,conspiracy?

The reason why I am asking is that I want to see if there were any activity in the charts of my mother and me when my mom got shot with me being present at the time. It was 3 days before my 3rd birthday.


It was a schizophrenic man that did it.

I wonder if it's possible that he was programmed to kill my mom and I.


If that is so or not, I wonder if there will be a time that a programmed person will try to kill me in the future as I further my neurodiversity advocacy which is all about advocating for Indigos,Crystals,and others like them.


I always wanted to get to the bottom of what happened to my mom and me through Astrology


Both my mother and I have challenging Moon-Gunnie aspects within 10 minutes of arc.

The odds of that is VERY slim.

When I see stuff like that, I think what happened to us was planned before I was born and my mom was born.

It seems like it could have been a result of programming.

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posted January 12, 2011 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BanxxManxx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by iQ:
You are on the right track Banx.

Don't forget the middle aged accomplice.

Jared was the MK Ultra Programmed assasin. The older man as the handler and programmer who triggered the action.

All the other evidence is typical hogwash, been going on for centuries. Only a programmed person can have such deadly accuracy and emotional control to shoot down unarmed innocents.

Problem-Reaction-Solution.

They want to prevent young Star Seeds and Enlightened Youth from taking revolutionary action, so they will want to paint all free thinking, protesting youth as potential Jareds.

2017. The evil will have no choice but to give up. All the World Leaders are equally guilty, across all political parties.


WAIT IQ! YES! Do you mean the guy.....Oh, fudge. Let me look him up real quick. YES.....David Wynn Miller! This! Is this the Trigger that you are referring to!?

AND YES! THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I FELT IQ! When the media started talking about the "lonely isolated, no friends, yada yada" it is like they are creating a Witch hunting type mentality among the people of America. You are a great affirmation IQ! We must work together to free the blind people of this world. IQ, what do you think of this...... That maybe Autistics or Aspergers kids are the revolutionaries? Have you ever been to Wrong Planet? The stories these kids write. They noticed it too IQ! They felt isolated and singled out by the media after The Arizona incident!

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posted January 12, 2011 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"AND YES! THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I FELT IQ! When the media started talking about the "lonely isolated, no friends, yada yada" it is like they are creating a Witch hunting type mentality among the people of America. You are a great affirmation IQ! We must work together to free the blind people of this world. IQ, what do you think of this...... That maybe Autistics or Aspergers kids are the revolutionaries? Have you ever been to Wrong Planet? The stories these kids write. They noticed it too IQ! They felt isolated and singled out by the media after The Arizona incident! "


When I first read that stuff in the news,
I was thinking..."That seems like neurodivergent stuff, especially autistic spectrum stuff"

It made me think of somebody had Aspergers Syndrome.


I was looking at comments from yahoo board, and at least 2 people were thinking the same thing.


also people with Dyspraxia have similar traits with Autistic Spectrum
Like I said before. When I was a little kid, I was similar to somebody with low functioning autism. After getting early intervention special education therapies and time passing, I became Aspergers-like. I've been viewed as "weird", "oddball" before I even knew about Astrology back in 1998.

Also..a lot of Dyspraxics have Aspergers Syndrome. A matter of fact, Developmental Adult Neuro-Diversity Assocation stemmed from Dyspraxia Foundation Adult Support Group. Mary Colley noticed that most Dyspraxics had other conditions like Aspergers,Dyslexia,ADHD. She had Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,and ADHD like myself. Many of the Dyspraxics wanted to know about support groups for Aspergers Syndrome.


Neurodivergent symptoms/traits overlap with those of psychiatric disorders like schizophrenia and bipolar.
Therefore, neurodivergents are at a high risk to be misdiagnosed as having schizophrenia and bipolar.

I was misdiagnosed as having bipolar w/ schizoaffective disorder. My father had a diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia,and he was a neurodivergent.


I was afraid to mention about my thoughts about the neurodivergent stuff because I didn't want to be given a hard time.


It isn't just Autistics and Aspergers that are the revolutionaries.

ADHDers,Dyslexics,Dyspraxics,Dyscalculics,and Tourette Syndrome people are too.

It's all part of a neurodivergent spectrum

That's why most neurodivergents have more than one neurodivergent condition.


Developmental Neurodiversity Association (DNA) was created to be an equal rights organization to raise awareness and understanding about genetic neurodivergence. It involves pushing for psychiatric reform and education reform.

The organization is based on Developmental Adult Neuro-Diversity Association.
It also stems from the Neurodiversity Movement which was first about autistic spectrum people, but has extended to others with neurodivergence.


I have talked to Wrong Planet webmaster, Alex Plan about more register options.
There is no register option for neurodivergents that don't have autistic spectrum. I made the point that I have Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD, but I am far from being neurotypical. He said that he was going to make changes.

It isn't just Autistic Spectrum people that think that they are on the wrong planet.
It isn't just Autistic Spectrum people that think they were isolated by the media after Arizona shooting. People with other neurodivergent conditions think that they are on the wrong planet and felt isolated by media after the Arizona shooting.

I am one of them!


Furthermore, I am concerned that this tragedy could be an obstacle to DNA and the Neurodiversity Movement.


It's not farfetched that one day that I will be a target myself. It doesn't have to be a MK ultra assassination. It could just be some ideological whacko who hates neurodivergents or have a strong belief in biomed stuff (neurodivergence is caused by vaccines,toxins) and will try to take me out during some neurodiversity convention.

Neurodiversity advocates have received death threats in the past.

I know that I am going to get death threats myself regardless if they have to do with MK ultra or not.

It just takes one crazy person who doesn't share my beliefs to kill me.


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posted January 12, 2011 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Here is some stuff on Dyspraxia, and you will see how close it is to not only autistic spectrum but also to psychiatric disorders like bipolar, schizophenia, and even personality disorders like borderline personality disorder.


There are early symptoms of Dyspraxia:


Early Symptoms of Dyspraxia

The information below is taken from A Practical Manual for Parents and Professionals by Madeleine Portwood and the Developmental Dyspraxia Foundation UK with their kind permission. Full details of the research and profiles of Dyspraxic children can be found in 'A Practical Manual for Parents and Professionals' Behaviours 0 - 3 Years

"There are many early indications that a child is dyspraxic and a summary is shown below:

* Irritable and difficult to comfort - from birth
* Feeding difficulties: milk allergies, colic, restricted diet
* Sleeping difficulties: problems establishing routine, requires constant adult reassurance
* Delayed early motor development: sitting unaided, rolling from side to side: do not usually go through the crawling stage
* High levels of motor activity: constantly moving arms and legs
* Repetitive behaviours: head banging or rolling
* Sensitive to high levels of noise
* Continued problems with development of feeding skills
* Toilet training may be delayed
* Avoids constructional toys such as jigsaws and Lego
* Delayed language development: single words not evident until age 3
* Highly emotional: easily distressed, frequent outbursts of uncontrolled behaviour
* Concentration limited to 2 or 3 minutes on any task?

Summary of Behaviours 3 - 5 very High Levels of Motor Activity

* feet swinging and tapping when seated
* hands clapping or twisting
* unable to stay in one place longer than 5 minutes

Very Excitable

* voice loud and shrill
* easily distressed
* temper tantrums

Moves Awkwardly

* constantly bumping into objects and falling
* associated mirror movements, hands flap when running or jumping

Difficulty Pedaling Tricycle or Similar Toy

* Poor ground awareness
* no sense of danger, jump from inappropriate heights

Continue to be Messy Eaters

* often spill liquid from drinking cups
* prefer to use fingers to feed

Avoids Constructional Toys

* jigsaws
* building blocks (Lego)

Poor Fine Motor Skills

* pencil grip
* use of scissors
* immature drawings

Lack of Imaginative Play

* Do not enjoy 'dressing up' or playing appropriately in the home corner or Wendy House. - Limited creative play

Isolated in Peer Group

* prefers adult company

Laterality Still not Established

* problems crossing mid line Language Difficulties Persist
* children often referred to speech therapist

Sensitive to Sensory Stimulation

* high levels of noise
* dislike being touched or wearing new clothes

Limited Response to Verbal Instructions

* slower response time
* problems with comprehension

Limited Concentration

* tasks often left unfinished"

http://www.dyspraxiausa.org/index.php/Early-Symptoms.html

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posted January 12, 2011 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BanxxManxx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Glaucus:
"AND YES! THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I FELT IQ! When the media started talking about the "lonely isolated, no friends, yada yada" it is like they are creating a Witch hunting type mentality among the people of America. You are a great affirmation IQ! We must work together to free the blind people of this world. IQ, what do you think of this...... That maybe Autistics or Aspergers kids are the revolutionaries? Have you ever been to Wrong Planet? The stories these kids write. They noticed it too IQ! They felt isolated and singled out by the media after The Arizona incident! "


When I first read that stuff in the news,
I was thinking..."That seems like neurodivergent stuff, especially autistic spectrum stuff"

It made me think of somebody had Aspergers Syndrome.


I was looking at comments from yahoo board, and at least 2 people were thinking the same thing.


also people with Dyspraxia have similar traits with Autistic Spectrum
Like I said before. When I was a little kid, I was similar to somebody with low functioning autism. After getting early intervention special education therapies and time passing, I became Aspergers-like. I've been viewed as "weird", "oddball" before I even knew about Astrology back in 1998.

Also..a lot of Dyspraxics have Aspergers Syndrome. A matter of fact, Developmental Adult Neuro-Diversity Assocation stemmed from Dyspraxia Foundation Adult Support Group. Mary Colley noticed that most Dyspraxics had other conditions like Aspergers,Dyslexia,ADHD. She had Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,and ADHD like myself. Many of the Dyspraxics wanted to know about support groups for Aspergers Syndrome.


Neurodivergent symptoms/traits overlap with those of psychiatric disorders like schizophrenia and bipolar.
Therefore, neurodivergents are at a high risk to be misdiagnosed as having schizophrenia and bipolar.

I was misdiagnosed as having bipolar w/ schizoaffective disorder. My bipolar father had a diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia,and he was a neurodivergent.


I was afraid to mention about my thoughts about the neurodivergent stuff because I didn't want to be given a hard time.


It isn't just Autistics and Aspergers that are the revolutionaries.

ADHDers,Dyslexics,Dyspraxics,Dyscalculics,and Tourette Syndrome people are too.

It's all part of a neurodivergent spectrum

That's why most neurodivergents have more than one neurodivergent condition.


Developmental Neurodiversity Association (DNA) was created to be an equal rights organization to raise awareness and understanding about genetic neurodivergence. It involves pushing for psychiatric reform and education reform.

The organization is based on Developmental Adult Neuro-Diversity Association.
It also stems from the Neurodiversity Movement which was first about autistic spectrum people, but has extended to others with neurodivergence.


I have talked to Wrong Planet webmaster, Alex Plan about more register options.
There is no register option for neurodivergents that don't have autistic spectrum. I made the point that I have Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD, but I am far from being neurotypical. He said that he was going to make changes.

It isn't just Autistic Spectrum people that think that they are on the wrong planet.
It isn't just Autistic Spectrum people that think they were isolated by the media after Arizona shooting. People with other neurodivergent conditions think that they are on the wrong planet and felt isolated by media after the Arizona shooting.

I am one of them!


Furthermore, I am concerned that this tragedy could be an obstacle to DNA and the Neurodiversity Movement.


It's not farfetched that one day that I will be a target myself. It doesn't have to be a MK ultra assassination. It could just be some ideological whacko who hates neurodivergents or have a strong belief in biomed stuff (neurodivergence is caused by vaccines,toxins) and will try to take me out during some neurodiversity convention.

Neurodiversity advocates have received death threats in the past.

I know that I am going to get death threats myself regardless if they have to do with MK ultra or not.

It just takes one crazy person who doesn't share my beliefs to kill me.



Glaucus excellent post. Do not worry. No one is going to kill you. The media is not going to spread misinformation without me trying to stop it. The good side will have a voice and a fist to go along with it. I will make sure of that. No innocents will be harmed on my watch. I will make direct who the enemy is.

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posted January 12, 2011 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

These are adult symptoms of Dyspraxia:

Adult Symptoms of Dyspraxia
Thank you again to the Dyspraxia Foundation UK for their excellent list of adult symptoms.

“People who have dyspraxia often find the routine tasks of daily life such as driving, household chores, cooking and grooming difficult. They can also find coping at work is hard. People with dyspraxia usually have a combination of problems, including:Gross motor co-ordination skills (large movements):

* Poor balance. Difficulty in riding a bicycle, going up and down hills
* Poor posture and fatigue. Difficulty in standing for a long time as a result of weak muscle tone. Floppy, unstable round the joints. Some people with dyspraxia may have flat feet
* Poor integration of the two sides of the body. Difficulty with some sports involving jumping and cycling
* Poor hand-eye co-ordination. Difficulty with team sports especially those which involve catching a ball and batting. Difficulties with driving a car
* Lack of rhythm when dancing, doing aerobics
* Clumsy gait and movement. Difficulty changing direction, stopping and starting actions
* Exaggerated 'accessory movements' such as flapping arms when running
* Tendency to fall, trip, bump into things and people

Fine motor co-ordination skills (small movements):
* Lack of manual dexterity. Poor at two-handed tasks, causing problems with using cutlery, cleaning, cooking, ironing, craft work, playing musical instruments
* Poor manipulative skills. Difficulty with typing, handwriting and drawing. May have a poor pen grip, press too hard when writing and have difficulty when writing along a line
* Inadequate grasp. Difficulty using tools and domestic implements, locks and keys
* Difficulty with dressing and grooming activities, such as putting on makeup, shaving, doing hair, fastening clothes and tying shoelaces

Poorly established hand dominance:

* May use either hand for different tasks at different times

Speech and language:

* May talk continuously and repeat themselves. Some people with dyspraxia have difficulty with organizing the content and sequence of their language
* May have unclear speech and be unable to pronounce some words
* Speech may have uncontrolled pitch, volume and rate

Eye movements:

* Tracking. Difficulty in following a moving object smoothly with eyes without moving head excessively. Tendency to lose the place while reading
* Poor relocating. Cannot look quickly and effectively from one object to another (for example, looking from a TV to a magazine)

Perception (interpretation of the different senses):

* Poor visual perception
* Over-sensitive to light
* Difficulty in distinguishing sounds from background noise. Tendency to be over-sensitive to noise
* Over- or under-sensitive to touch. Can result in dislike of being touched and/or aversion to over-loose or tight clothing - tactile defensiveness
* Over- or under-sensitive to smell and taste, temperature and pain
* Lack of awareness of body position in space and spatial relationships. Can result in bumping into and tripping over things and people, dropping and spilling things
* Little sense of time, speed, distance or weight. Leading to difficulties driving, cooking
* Inadequate sense of direction. Difficulty distinguishing right from left means map reading skills are poor

Learning, thought and memory:

* Difficulty in planning and organising thought
* Poor memory, especially short-term memory. May forget and lose things
* Unfocused and erratic. Can be messy and cluttered
* Poor sequencing causes problems with maths, reading and spelling and writing reports at work
* Accuracy problems. Difficulty with copying sounds, writing, movements, proofreading
* Difficulty in following instructions, especially more than one at a time
* Difficulty with concentration. May be easily distracted
* May do only one thing at a time properly, though may try to do many things at once
* Slow to finish a task. May daydream and wander about aimlessly

Emotion and behavior:

* Difficulty in listening to people, especially in large groups. Can be tactless, interrupt frequently. Problems with team work
* Difficulty in picking up non-verbal signals or in judging tone or pitch of voice in themselves and or others. Tendency to take things literally. May listen but not understand
* Slow to adapt to new or unpredictable situations. Sometimes avoids them altogether
* Impulsive. Tendency to be easily frustrated, wanting immediate gratification
* Tendency to be erratic have 'good and bad days'
* Tendency to opt out of things that are too difficult

Emotions as a result of difficulties experienced:

* Tend to get stressed, depressed and anxious easily
* May have difficulty sleeping
* Prone to low self-esteem, emotional outbursts, phobias, fears, obsessions, compulsions and addictive behavior

Many of these characteristics are not unique to people with dyspraxia and not even the most severe case will have all the above characteristics. But adults with dyspraxia will tend to have more than their fair share of co-ordination and perceptual difficulties.”

http://www.dyspraxiausa.org/index.php/Adult-Symptoms.html

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posted January 12, 2011 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BanxxManxx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WHOA!!!!! WEIRD MEMORIAL SPEECH! IQ, DID YOU WATCH THAT? WHOAA! REALLY STRANGE SPEECH GOING ON NOW HAHAHA! WHATTTTT?!?

Hmm, this is too odd. I wonder what this native speech has to do with the "play"? This doesn't seem to fit in with the American traditions.....A bunch of esoteric "blessings" going on.

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posted January 13, 2011 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Jared Loughner's rantings may not have been paranoid schizophrenic.

They are closely based on conspiracy theorist, David Wynn Miller.


By CARRIE BUDOFF BROWN | 1/9/11 2:24 PM EST

Jared Lee Loughner’s rants about grammar and mind control track closely to the writings of a conspiracy theorist who believes that is how the government controls the populace, one leading group says – and the man tells POLITICO he agrees with some of Loughner’s statements.

The far-right activist, David Wynn Miller, said in a telephone interview that he didn’t know Loughner, but agreed with his statement in a YouTube video that “the government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar.”

“Absolutely I would agree with it,” said Miller, 62, a former tool-and-die maker from Milwaukee who claims 1 billion “students” worldwide.

But he said any suggestion that his writings influenced Loughner to go on a shooting rampage is “ridiculous.”

“I have nothing to do with anything like that,” Miller said, suggesting that Loughner might have been under the influence of government mind control.

Mark Potok, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Project, first mentioned Miller during an appearance Saturday on MSNBC’s “Countdown with Keith Olbermann.”

“The idea weirdly enough of controlling grammar, of somehow the government using grammar to control the people is an idea that exists on the radical right. There’s a particular person, a man named David Wynn Miller who has plugged this idea for years,” Potok said.

Miller “claims to have invented truth language,” Potok said in an interview with POLITICO. “His idea is that if you only use the correct grammar and punctuation, you can throw off the shackles of the tyrannical government.”

Potok said Loughner appeared “practically illiterate and quite mentally ill,” but his statements and the books he has cited suggest a “pretty strong anti-government, conspiracy-oriented threat.”

“It seems he is getting some of his key ideas from David Wynn Miller,” he said.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47329.html#ixzz1AtArw0s1
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47329.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum26/HTML/000641.html


How do we distinguish a paranoid schizophrenic from a conspiracy theorist? A paranoid schizophrenic acts on his views, and a conspiracy theorist doesn't?

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posted January 13, 2011 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BanxxManxx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glaucus. That is what me and IQ were talking about. david weenie miller was a Catalyst or a Trigger. Weenie was involved with MKULTRA and programmed the robot jared looney toons loughner. He said a KEYWORD that triggered looney toons to go on the shooting spree.

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posted January 14, 2011 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BanxxManxx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glaucus, you know what was even more strange. I left Wrong Planet and came back at like 5 am. From 5-7am there was 0 members on. hahaha. What the heck! It is like they all come on at the same time and all get off at the same time. This to me is extremely odd because these are people from all over the world. Odd in a cool way. If you go on there right now, it is like they are just waking up. There is 600 on.

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posted January 15, 2011 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Has anyone thought of comparing Gabrielle Giffords chart with that of the Kennedy's charts? Say John or Bobby? Something tells me there is a connection...

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