posted January 08, 2011 11:41 PM            

The judge who was killed has Mars opposed Pluto, 1 degree, and an opposition from Mars to Saturn, wide at 7 degrees.

The shooter has a Mars, Mercury, Neptune t-square, I bet one of those is in his 8th, triggered off by t.Pluto conj the apex, and god knows what else. That Pluto can dissolve dreams, and brings reality to the fore in a sometimes jarring way, based on house placement of natal Neptune. His masculine energy isn't that solidified and he was prob used to being pushed around a bit, so he probably sought solace in his ideals, I guess he came to see that the political ideal he envisioned won't be a reality, and grew in increasing frustration, as Saturn opposed his Mars late last year. He also might have been under drug/alcohol influence, Mars/Neptune.

posted January 08, 2011 11:52 PM            

WASHINGTON — Jared Lee Loughner had become increasingly erratic in recent months, so much so that others around him began to worry.

He had posted on his Myspace page at some point a photograph of a United States history textbook, on top of which he had placed a handgun. He prepared a series of Internet videos filled with rambling statements on topics including the gold standard, mind control and SWAT teams. And he had started to act oddly during his classes at Pima Community College, causing unease among other students.

That behavior, along with a disturbing video, prompted school administrators to call in Mr. Loughner’s parents and tell them that their son had been suspended and would have to get a mental health evaluation to return to college. Instead, he dropped out in October, a spokesman for the college said.

The evidence and reports about Mr. Loughner’s unusual conduct suggest an increasing alienation from society, confusion, anger as well as foreboding that his life could soon come to an end. Still, there appear to be no explicit threats of violence that explain why, as police allege, Mr. Loughner, 22, would go to a Safeway supermarket north of Tucson on Saturday morning and begin shooting at a popular Democratic congresswoman and more than a dozen other people, killing 6 and wounding 19.

Police officials on Saturday said that Mr. Loughner had a criminal record of some kind, but they did not provide any details. They also hinted that he might have had the help of a second person, adding that they were searching for another man.

Don Coorough, 58, who sat two desks in front of Mr. Loughner in a poetry class last semester, described him as a “troubled young man” and “emotionally underdeveloped.” After another student read a poem about getting an abortion, Mr. Loughner compared the young woman to a “terrorist for killing the baby.”

“No one in that class would even sit next to him,” Mr. Coorough said. Another fellow student said that he found Mr. Loughner’s behavior so eccentric — including inappropriate remarks and unusual outbursts — that he wondered if he might be on hallucinogens. Mr. Loughner grew up in Tucson and was an unremarkable student at Mountain View High School, classmates said.

Grant Wiens, 22, who graduated in 2006 from Mountain View High School, a year ahead of Mr. Loughner, described him as “a kind of rare bird, very shy.”

“He didn’t seem very popular, but he kind of did his own thing,” Mr. Wiens said.

Mr. Wiens said that something Mr. Loughner said during a discussion about religion had stuck in his mind: “Whatever happens, happens,” Mr. Wiens recalled the suspect saying. “Might as well enjoy life now.”

Another former high school classmate said that Mr. Loughner may have met Representative Giffords, who was shot in the head outside the Safeway supermarket, several years ago.

“As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy,” the former classmate, Caitie Parker, wrote in a series of Twitter feeds Saturday. “I haven’t seen him since ’07 though. He became very reclusive.”

“He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in ’07, asked her a question & he told me she was ‘stupid & unintelligent,’ ” she wrote.

Neighbors of Mr. Loughner in Orangewood Estates, a middle-class subdivision of single-family homes north of Tucson, said that he lived with his parents, Amy and Randy Loughner, and that they did not believe he had siblings. Two neighbors said they saw the family come and go but knew little about them.

A series of short videos posted on the Internet, apparently by Mr. Loughner, consist of changing blocs of text that are largely rambling and incoherent. Many take the form of stating a premise and then a logical conclusion that would follow from it.

posted January 08, 2011 11:53 PM            

A quick scan of the progressed charts reveal how the Judge & Gabrielle Gifford's pMoons are conjunct in Capricorn and together are opposed to JLL/Shooter's pMoon in Cancer.

2. pMars on the Gabrielle is @ 0 Leo, showing she is destined to make headlines.

3. pMars of Judge is @ 0 Aries.

ETA: All three were having significant pLunations. GG, the full moon in Cancer/Cappy. JLL & Judge the last quarters.

posted January 09, 2011 12:01 AM            

I am painfully obsessed with hoping that this woman will be ok. I am just flooded with images of her and her family, and her situation... the reality of her injury and just the delicacy of the prognosis...

Literally, making me feel ill... I'll have to come back later when there's more info and just approach the facts when they're in...

I've been watching this since 10:00 Mountain Time...

posted January 09, 2011 12:10 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
I will have to take a break from this subject for a while.

I am painfully obsessed with hoping that this woman will be ok. I am just flooded with images of her and her family, and her situation... the reality of her injury and just the delicacy of the prognosis...

Literally, making me feel ill... I'll have to come back later when there's more info and just approach the facts when they're in...

I've been watching this since 10:00 Mountain Time...

But, I'm sure I'll have some better analysis later.

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I'm sorry (but totally understand) PS. Bear and I have been glued to the TV and online news as well. It is hard to believe that this happened in our own backyard with our rep- still, I can't help but try to find a reason, it satifies some part of me that wonders why people do what they do.

posted January 09, 2011 01:09 AM            

John Roll (63), Dorthy Murray (76), Dorwin Stoddard (76), Christina Greene (9), Phyllis Scheck (79) and Gabriel Zimmerman (30). May they rest in peace.

posted January 09, 2011 01:43 AM            

Transiting Jupiter=Uranus/Pluto midpoint. The midpoint measurement will be exact when Jupiter reaches 29 degrees Pisces. A key phrase related to this midpoint picture by Noel Tyl is: "Enormous success potential."

And transiting Jupiter is moving toward an opposition to natal Uranus. Another keyword phrase: "The big break; success or going one's independent way to greener pastures."

posted January 09, 2011 03:02 PM            

Gabrielle Giffords:
Born: 6-8-1970 = life path 4 = 5/10/7, 5/8, 13...

Date of Incident: 1-8-2011 = 9/2/11, 11/11...

times between date of birth and incident:

40 yrs 7 mos 1 day = 47/1, 12, 3, 48...
2117 Weeks = 11, 3/8, 2/9, 4/7...
14,825 days = 20, 2, 5/10/5, 6/5...

Judge John Roll:
Born: 2-8-1947 = Life path 4 = 10/10/47, 11/47, 2/47, 2/11, 13, 4...

Date of incident: 1-8-2011 = 9/2/11, 11/11...

times between date of birth and incident:

63 yrs 11 mos 1 day = 9/11/1 (9/11/01?), 12, 3...
3335 weeks = 14, 5, 33/35
23,346 days = 18, 9, 666...

Christina Greene:
Born: 9-11-2001 = Life path 5 = 9/11/3 (same as yrs mos days)

Date of Incident: 1-8-2011 = 9/2/11, 11/11...

times between date of birth and incident:

9 yrs 3 mos 29 days = 9/3/11, 5...
486 weeks = 18, 9, 666...
3407 days = 77, 7/7, 3/47, 14, 5

Jared Lee Loughner:
Born: 9-10-1988 = Life path 9 = 911988, 36, 18, 9, 666...

Date of Incident: 1-8-2011 = 9/2/11, 11/11...

times between date of birth and incident:

22 yrs 3 mos 30 days = 22/33, 10...
1165 weeks = 11/11
8156 days = 911

I'm seeing way too many 911's, 11's, 47's, 33's, 22's...

posted January 09, 2011 04:16 PM            

My mom has Gunnie in 18'56 Leo in 3rd house square Moon Scorpio in 18'51 Scorpio in 5th house within a 10 minute orb.

I have Gunnie in 3'19 Virgo in 12th
oppose Moon in 3'11 Pisces in 6th
square transneptunian dwarf planet/candidate, Varuna in 3'01 Gemini R in 9th
square Pallas in 2'36 Gemini R in 9th
square Saturn in 5'08 Gemini R in 9th

conjunct Saturn/Neptune midpoint in 3'28 Virgo
Gunnie completes a grand cross with my Moon,Neptune,Pallas-Saturn,-Varuna t-square.

Therefore, she and I both have challenging Moon-Gunnie aspects within a 10 minute orb.

The nickname for the Weapons Officer in the Navy is Gunnie. The Gunnery Sargeant in the Marines is called Gunnie too.

I believe asteroid,Gunnie figures in gun violence,shootings

I find it interesting that the shooter has Sun conjunct Nessus, and the slain judge had transiting Nessus conjunct his natal Sun.

1582 Martir could fit with people that are martyrs, people have died from violence in connection to causes
martir is actually Spanish for martyr too

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted January 09, 2011 07:14 PM            

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

posted January 10, 2011 09:48 AM            

Jared Lee Loughner:
Born: 9-10-1988 = Life path 9 = 911988, 36, 18, 9, 666...

Date of Incident: 1-8-2011 = 9/2/11, 11/11...

times between date of birth and incident:

22 yrs 3 mos 30 days = 22/33, 10...
1165 weeks = 11/11
8156 days = 911

posted January 11, 2011 03:52 AM            

Here is a connection that even you missed:

2 high profile people connected directly to Law amongst the victims:
Gabriel Giffords and Judge Roll.
Giffords and Roll have both been born on an 8th, the assassination was executed on an 8th and Giffords is the rep of the 8th District in AZ. 8th deals with Law, Corrupt Governments and Death among other things.

And.. GG, the initials of Gabriel Gifford is 3 3 in Numerology.
33 rounds in the magazine, could be a coincidence.

What happens when you fold 33?
You get ... 8.

Wait till I send you the Asteroid Connections...

posted January 11, 2011 01:05 PM            

Born: 6-8-1970 = 13

Date of Incident: 1-8-2011 = 9/2/11, 11/11...

time between date of birth and incident:

40 yrs 7 mos 1 day = 3

Her birthdate equals "13", and the time to date of incident is 40 yrs 7 mos 1 day... a "3".

Revelations 13:3 talks about one of the beasts 7 heads that is fatally wounded and miraculously heals.....

posted January 11, 2011 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Riverdawg... what an inapt ID... Bigger_Dog_Than_Spock is a better one...

Here is a connection that even you missed:

2 high profile people connected directly to Law amongst the victims:
Gabriel Giffords and Judge Roll.
Giffords and Roll have both been born on an 8th, the assassination was executed on an 8th and Giffords is the rep of the 8th District in AZ. 8th deals with Law, Corrupt Governments and Death among other things.

And.. GG, the initials of Gabriel Gifford is 3 3 in Numerology.
33 rounds in the magazine, could be a coincidence.

What happens when you fold 33?
You get ... 8.

Wait till I send you the Asteroid Connections...

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posted January 11, 2011 04:49 PM            

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Originally posted by BanxxManxx:
You have to look at this entire event like a play being put on for the American people. What story, this time, are they wanting to get across to the viewer? *sigh. I notice that the media is REALLY spinning the story now or brainwashing the viewer to be on the look out for any male between ages 18-35 who seem strange and to single them out. This is no different from how they had WITCH TRIALS back in the old days except now we have mass media to brain wash the people. The media is throwing in now how everyone should arm themselves with guns. I see what is going on here underneath the surface and I think it is dangerous. Don't buy into the surface story, look deeper and see what is really going on.

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the media is getting me annoyed too with that

they are even trying to say that an interest in conscious dreaming aka lucid dreaming is a sign of schizophrenia
ummm...that's been scientifically proven to exist by Dr. Stephen LeBerge. lucid dreaming has been used in Tibetan Dream Yoga.

oh..they are saying that people that believe in conspiracy theories,don't trust government,and believe in mind control is a sign of schizophrenia.
We have a fair share of members that believe in conspiracy theories,government shouldn't be trusted, mind control right here in this forum! hahahahaha

how do we draw the line between mystic,shaman,psychic

and

psychotic,schizophrenic,bipolar?

how do we draw a line between conspiracy theorists and paranoid schizophrenia?

there is stuff like disorganized,nonlinear speech........ummm.......that's me
my cluttering speech.....heh
that got me misdiagnosed as having bipolar w/ schizoaffective disorder

rapid speech is considered a sign of mania by psychiatrists

I already been making points that neurodivergent conditions and psychiatric disorders overlap and symptoms in traits, and it leads to misdiagnosis. That's what's driving me to push for psychiatric reform as one of DNA's objectives. Autistic Spectrum used to be thought as a form of schizophrenia.

can't a person kill people and not be viewed as having a mental illness
some people can be sane and extremists and have a disregard for the lives of others and not care about consequences for their actions as well as lack remorse.
They could be evil too.

there are many people with mental illness that aren't dangerous, and there is a common perception that they are.

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted January 11, 2011 06:06 PM            

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Originally posted by BanxxManxx:
You have to look at this entire event like a play being put on for the American people. What story, this time, are they wanting to get across to the viewer? *sigh. I notice that the media is REALLY spinning the story now or brainwashing the viewer to be on the look out for any male between ages 18-35 who seem strange and to single them out. This is no different from how they had WITCH TRIALS back in the old days except now we have mass media to brain wash the people. The media is throwing in now how everyone should arm themselves with guns. I see what is going on here underneath the surface and I think it is dangerous. Don't buy into the surface story, look deeper and see what is really going on.

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